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Refugees.

Saudi Arabia and Syria are two different sovereign nations, but it would appear that their governments are linked to the US government. Even if the Syrian government hasn't issued any kind of policy regarding refugees sent to the US, the US does have immigration reform on its hands. Likewise, Saudi Arabia and the US may be intimately linked if any of the lawsuits under the Saudi bill are taken to trial. How will the governments of these three nations interact in the broader arena of international politics? I claim that international tribunals will play a part in this, even though I do not know where any court will hear a lawsuit against the Saudi government. However, if I'm not mistaken, the Saudi bill permits only US citizens and not the US government to sue only the Saudi government and not Saudi citizens.

With respect to the international relationship between two other nations via the Saudi bill, how does the Syrian government (if such a thing can be said to exist) play a part in the international political landscape? In order to execute a plan of action in a civil manner, it is not unlikely that some form of a justice system will be applied via the international community. In other historical conflicts, the international community has made agreements like peace treaties, or ceasefires. The Saudi bill links two different nations via some form of a justice system.

Okay, lemme talk about Syrian refugees, the way I understand the problem. From a Canadian viewpoint.
So far, 33,723 Syrian refugees have arrived in Canada.
#WelcomeRefugees: Canada resettles Syrian refugees
Many have been sponsored by church groups, community groups, local government, and the federal government. Where I live, there's about 1,000 year-round residents and we've sponsored one family- wanted to do two but can't show employment prospects for another. It's a very simple process and doesn't involve any tribunals. Has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia. Doesn't concern any other nation. Doesn't even involve the government of Syria.
As for the 'Saudi bill', that's between you and your government, but it has nothing to do with Syrian refugees and, near as I can tell, is just window-dressing with no chance of ever actually meaning anything.
 
The pioneers probably were not shell shocked in the same sense that war survivors are shell shocked. They have a different mindset than, say, hippies.
 
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There is a humanitarian crisis in nigeria now, with the likes of boko harem bringing poverty to the regions they are in. if you were to explain this to the citizens, that they will suffer as long as they support boko harem, i am sure they need to know? how do you explain to people that they are not being fought for, but instead used as shields and support in the form of money?

This requires an advert or two on lamp posts and radio transmissions. the advert should state - "ask your grandparents if it was better way back when there was law and order? if they bring a lack of communications and business to the region you live in, then they should provide! what do they provide? when will they provide it? do you need food now, or later? how much longer will this war go on? what are they fighting for - what are their goals? ask them..."

Or, maybe it could be edited to sound ore to them and their families - it is all good and wel having hillary clinton say she can fix the economy of america, but, could she? if obama was in office, what has he done for africa, how has it affected them? then, there is the leaders that need their votes - if they were to say they want to service them to get votes, which is obvious, then maybe they will give them up?
 
When it comes to famine, there is food, there is money, no money no food, yes? this means the state, having enough funds, could buy food for the poorer people, but, then the middle class will also want free food. this means, the state could raise taxes by a percent and feed everyone from bulk buys of food, yes?\

Or, the middle class could get free food along with the impoverished, if they were to pay a food delivery each week or day? this would have them food delivered to their doorsteps, as is done in my country through a shop called pick and pay, and then they would merely be paying for the food price and delivery, quite affordable to them in their state, where they do not need to go to the rural areas and squatter camps to get food.
 
With refugees, you have human capital, they are not necessarily a liability until they are idle. this is because they will have the same needs whether they are working or not, yes? of course if they were doing something constructive with their time, things would be much better for everyone.

So, how do you turn someone with skills of some sort into an asset... let me think... you supply them with a job? no, that would be too easy, it is easy to build a factory and a few houses every few kilometers and provide an environment where they can live and work, generating a profit for the owners. this is if they were to look to where the market is lacking, instead of looking to maximize profits. this would be like living in switzerland and either making chocolate or toothpaste, yes?

Or, the state they live in may decide to donate tools to them? hell, the prior country could pay by buying tools out of their accounts, those missing for too long from the roll calls, and then they would be able to buy the goods they need, yes?

Or, the refugees could work right now! they could double up as a night shift at many companies, doubling outputs for more gains? this would mean, for example, a bank could now operate twenty four hours a day, allowing the stock market traders to operate at these hours - something that europe would likely think highly of, imagine getting in there on the asian markets before anybody else? or, they could bake twice as much bread for twice as many customers, as the other refugee night shifters would need food that they could buy with their pay, yes? having twenty four hour cities would be great for tourism too, but it is winter now and would not be as apparent right at this moment. things like call centers could benefit from more people with languages too - there are too many ventures that could do with twenty four hour staff, even making better working conditions or hours for established native staff, yes?
 
oh my god boko harem would be so much better than what we actually got.
 
Lol, why do you say that?

Boko Haram roughly translates to "Western education/influence" (boko) is "forbidden/sin" (haram)

A harem is like a separate house a rich dude keeps for his mistresses/prostitutes, or something.

I feel like boko harem would be a bit more playboy mansion and a bit less murder-y.
 
Boko Haram roughly translates to "Western education/influence" (boko) is "forbidden/sin" (haram)

A harem is like a separate house a rich dude keeps for his mistresses/prostitutes, or something.

I feel like boko harem would be a bit more playboy mansion and a bit less murder-y.

I don't care. I still love their hit: Whiter Shade of Pale.
 
Now i must shift to something related to refugees, tribesmen in poverty, especially in my country south africa, where i realized this point. these people would be obvious candidates for welfare or such, but maybe we can empower them to be their own 'financial masters?'

So, we have human capital and land, some livestock and such. if they want to make their own way, they should start breeding their livestock - maybe they could loan some money, with the surety of their own assets, where they will sell some of their horses or something for cash? this requires much 'sows' and 'fillies' that they can bring in, maybe middle or adequate stock, and then they can breed them with rest of the money going to food for them?

Or they could loan tools? this they could use to make products or such, maybe for subsistence farming, where they will also secure running water and irrigation - if they have requests, they can take them to the bank, dressed int heir traditional dress and royal garbs, which could be respected and accepted as evidence of their positions, and then hammer out a plan with them?
 
Refugees in Africa is a real problem, as, they have fled for their lives. if they were to return home one day, their houses would be looted and in ruins, without identity documents it would take a long time to secure their residences again, but there will be room for everyone - that is if they return home. it is much easier to flee and put it all into that march than to return home, so, we need a plan 'to stay' too.

On the plus side, this means human capital for the regions they are in at the moment. of course, there is the problem of funding these multitudes, but, luckily i have a plan. if there is a need for food, first, to get their strength up, the companies around the are that plan on expansions could front them food until they can deduct it from their salaries.this will be made possible by finger printing the people that are there, using the various under utilized public service sector employees to help out. this will be 'to be counted.'

Once they are counted, they should be given places to live. this is easily afforded to them by using cement and bricks to build their own houses, their strength returned now after the food they have eaten. the people that usually build, the builders, would oversee the task, and, then advise them on how to build. this would mean they would take like two days to build their houses, of course. cheap cement and bricks, the state owns the houses, they live there for now.

~ If you were to count these houses as assets for the country, as they cannot leave the country, the value of the monetary system will improve, yes? plenty of reasons to sponsor some building materials and cement mixers. i am sure any city has enough of this to cover many people.

So, they have been counted and now have residences. time to get them generating income, yes? this would be possible by using old tools, where there are deductions on new tools and machines, and the old ones could go to the refugees. then, the refugees could work and generate an income. but, careful planning needs to be observed, where the state plans how to expand the economy - it is no good to have everybody making cars or computers - there will be no economy, as, there will only be these things to trade, yes?

Then, they could offer 'start up' loans. it is a known that eighty percent of start ups manage to make it, and, with demand this high, there is almost a guarantee that all will prosper. this would mean that for five thousand dollars to a start up, it could come to, for a million people, five billion dollars, or, more understood domestically, fifty billion rand per start up. this will require a lot of imports at first, so the state will make some taxation back on that. then, there will be much trading with their start up cash, trying to make more cash from the other refugees, having it circulate and obviously attracting business from the established cities.

The major deficit for this will be for public services, in the form of services requiring 'capital layouts.' these would be municipalities, police, hospitals and so forth. i estimate the actual buildings would cost typical amounts, meaning that this, the major draw back, will be setting the country up for major economic taxation and gross development economically.

~ less in, more out. surety with investors - the people are not going anywhere, are they?
 
What do you think of the safe zones idea inside Syria? The Turks says they will guard these camps.
 
What do you think of the safe zones idea inside Syria? The Turks says they will guard these camps.

Safe zone, unsafe zone?

Who cares as long as obama and merkel don't bring them in as refugees
 
What do you think of the safe zones idea inside Syria? The Turks says they will guard these camps.

I've supported monitored safe zones for civillians inside Syria since day 1.
 
I've supported monitored safe zones for civillians inside Syria since day 1.

I believe Turkey recently received a "Not Free" rating for the way its society treats journalists. Do you think that Turkish guards of civilian internment camps in Syria would react kindly to reporting?

I wonder how we will know what's going on if they don't let the news report about the safe zones. I don't find the idea of U.N. guards particularly palatable either. Syria is starting to look like a prison after a riot. I'm not just talking about martial law, but political freedoms in general seem to be lacking in that area following the civil war.

Some good ideas have been expressed in the thread about refugee camps. When will we make the transition from reactive to pro-active? Crises like the unresolved conflict in Syria are almost as common as natural disasters, these days. By now, you would think we would have learned how to deal with it.
 
I would like to add another (sobering) reason why refugees are on the rise.

They live in extremely warm climates, and these climates are getting warmer more rapidly due to climate change. This is beginning to render places that also happen to be rife with religious and political conflict uncomfortable and difficult to live in.

This is a problem we cannot turn a blind eye to - and my opinion is that most EU countries are turning a blind eye to the refugee crisis.
 
I would like to add another (sobering) reason why refugees are on the rise.

They live in extremely warm climates, and these climates are getting warmer more rapidly due to climate change.

This is beginning to render places that also happen to be rife with religious and political conflict uncomfortable and difficult to live in.

This is a problem we cannot turn a blind eye to - and my opinion is that most EU countries are turning a blind eye to the refugee crisis.

Translation: warm weather makes muslims even more cranky and violent than usual
 
The best way to help these people is to clean up, and stabilize their home nations. Trump is right about NOT playing in other countries. Unfortunately the petrodollar can't last if we don't do this. But we don't need the pipeline in Syria to maintain the petrodollar. We DO need to keep Iraq and Saudi under our thumb though.

Chris
 
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