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China in the 21st Century

Northern Light said:
I'm highly incredulous of the idea that China wants absolute power and wants to take over the world. I just see no evidence for that. They're a regional hegemon that's resource hungry but historically they've never been a conquering nation. Would the Chinese people even support a war on the rest of the world?
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I heard Mark Steyn on the radio a while back saying something like:
'Soon our interest payments on the national debt will exceed what we spend on defense, and by the way, those same payments
will fund the naval military budget of the People’s Republic of China. When “the Commies take Taiwan, suburban families in Albuquerque
and small businesses in Pocatello will have paid for it.”
 
slick said:
I heard Mark Steyn on the radio a while back saying something like:
'Soon our interest payments on the national debt will exceed what we spend on defense, and by the way, those same payments
will fund the naval military budget of the People’s Republic of China. When “the Commies take Taiwan, suburban families in Albuquerque
and small businesses in Pocatello will have paid for it.”
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The U.S. would destroy the entire financial system before allowing that to happen.
 
Northern Light said:
The U.S. would destroy the entire financial system before allowing that to happen.
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CCP Boyz in Beijing are doing that themselves.

As they say in the PRC, "Be patient." Of course the Chinese don't mean it in the same way as here. All the same same however the Communist Party is yet another dynasty in China's thousands of years of authoritarian rule. CCP Boyz in Beijing are present day emperors in business suits. And the CCP are a young dynasty which makes 'em a nervous dynasty. In the long history of China each and every dynasty fails. China continues but every dynasty fails and leads to yet another. Yet there are many indications the present CCP Dynasty of Emperors may well be the last.



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The ruling Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China 2018.
 
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How ?Made in China 2025? became the real threat in a trade war
The Trump administration frets about the way China aims to achieve its 2025 ambitions. American businesses have long complained about the sacrifices they make to operate in the world's largest market, including requirements to partner with domestic companies and hand over trade secrets.

Officials fear these techniques will make it impossible for U.S. companies to compete in the world's most critical fields. They also worry massive Chinese government subsidies will lead to a global glut of products that push down prices and hurt U.S. businesses.

"There are things China listed and said, 'We're going to take technology, spend several hundred billion dollars, and dominate the world,'" U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer told senators at a March hearing. "And these are things that if China dominates the world, it's bad for America."
 
annata said:
How ?Made in China 2025? became the real threat in a trade war
The Trump administration frets about the way China aims to achieve its 2025 ambitions. American businesses have long complained about the sacrifices they make to operate in the world's largest market, including requirements to partner with domestic companies and hand over trade secrets.

Officials fear these techniques will make it impossible for U.S. companies to compete in the world's most critical fields. They also worry massive Chinese government subsidies will lead to a global glut of products that push down prices and hurt U.S. businesses.

"There are things China listed and said, 'We're going to take technology, spend several hundred billion dollars, and dominate the world,'" U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer told senators at a March hearing. "And these are things that if China dominates the world, it's bad for America."
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I don't think any gop president will let china rule this world.
 
Hair on Fire With Chinese Characteristics


A Chinese firm has developed a laser gun designed for police use that can set fire to protesters' hair or banners from a range of almost a kilometer.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...-can-set-fire-protesters-hair-kilometer-away/


Which reminds us of the People's Armed Police. PAP is a paramilitary force of at least 850,000 authorized to maintain domestic security, as the CCP Boyz in Beijing put it. PAP are organized into 48 divisions distributed to each of the provinces. Included in the PAP job is to make you the demonstrator certain you never want to see the PAP again.




Chinese People's Armed Police in Tibet

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A unit of the Chinese People's Armed Police side off against protest demonstrators in Tibet, May 16, 2014. No one takes seriously the claim by the CCP Boyz in Beijing that they are bringing civilization to Tibet.
 
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justabubba said:
i could see china seeking international economic sanctions against israel
will keep the USA from appearing so sanctimonious about defending indefensible activities
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China's human rights violations are still fairly substantial. They're not going to be seeking sanctions any time soon. Doing so would be paramount to spite their own face in the face of much of the labor and resources going into the building the infrastructure of Israel.
 
Trump's China hawks advising him in the WH are making the most of their return to positions of government power after having been shut out of them since Nixon-Kissinger reestablishing relations with the CCP-PRC. Since Carter recognized the CCP Boys in Beijing and pulled out of Taiwan, the Taiwan advocates in Washington had been consigned to obscure status, conferences and position papers. Now the Taiwan advocates are making new policy with the ultimate goal of US diplomatic recognition of Taiwan.


The U.S. makes a new push to bolster Taiwan's military defenses. China won't like it.

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Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen oversees a simulated defense exercise repelling an invasion of the island nation of 24 million people. The pro independence Democratic Progressive Party has for the first time swept to control of the presidency and the parliament. Beijing has severed formal communications with the Tsai government until it recognizes one country two-systems. DPP has always recognized one country one system which is that of Taiwan only.


The State Department’s recently reported request for Marines to return to Taiwan for the first time since 1979 to defend the de facto U.S. embassy there is not an isolated event. Instead, it underscores what appears to be newfound willingness within the U.S. government and Congress to challenge China and pay more attention to Taiwan’s defense.

However, intensifying Chinese pressure on Taiwan, a growing disenchantment with China within the ranks of the U.S. government and Congress, and the rise to prominence of Taiwan’s friends within the Trump administration have presaged a move away from the “porcupine” strategy toward one more willing to confront Beijing. This trend could continue further if President Trump, always unpredictable, lets his advisers on the National Security Council and Defense Department have their way.

Starting earlier this year, China’s air force fighters and bombers began circling Taiwan, forcing Taiwan’s air force to scramble its jets. In late April, China’s state-run television released footage of People’s Liberation Army forces invading a mock Taiwanese village. And late last month, Chinese naval forces had a drill in the Taiwan Strait. Meanwhile, on the diplomatic front, the Dominican Republic became the third country in less than two years to sever official ties with Taiwan to favor China. Now, because of Beijing’s accelerating campaign to diplomatically isolate Taipei, only 19 countries recognize Taiwan.

China’s tactics have alienated many members of a younger generation of State Department officials who used to be considered the strongest proponents of smooth relations with Beijing. Exasperation with China has bled into Congress, which has adopted its most activist position on Taiwan since 1979, when Congress defied the administration of then-President Jimmy Carter to pass the Taiwan Relations Act, mandating that the U.S. government help in Taiwan’s defense.

In February, the House and Senate unanimously passed the Taiwan Travel Act, which called on the Trump administration to send high-ranking U.S. officials to liaise with Taiwan’s government. Both in the Pentagon and on the National Security Council, Trump administration officials are far more sympathetic to Taiwan’s challenges than their counterparts have been in the past. They have given the U.S. Navy more leeway to challenge China in the Pacific. Earlier this month, the Navy dispatched two destroyers through the Taiwan Strait for the first time since 2017.

https://inmilitary.com/the-u-s-make...taiwans-military-defenses-china-wont-like-it/



Trump has gone in too deep now with Taiwan and Trump's China advisors in the WH are too many and too strong to change course at this point. CCP Boyz in Beijing are seriously ticked yet militarily inadequate to invade or to sustain the consequences of a massive missile attack. CCP economic pressures are proving insufficient also as Taiwan has taken its business to SE Asia, Japan and is modeling after Silicon Valley.
 
Virtually everyone involved in national security in the White House and the Pentagon is a champion of Taiwan being recognized diplomatically by the USA as the de facto sovereign independent nation that it is. The movement favors the China hawks who surround Trump in the WH and have widespread support at the Pentagon. Trump himself seems intrigued by it all. Nay, enticed.

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President Tsai Ing-wen observes a joint Naval and Air Force exercise simulation repelling an air-sea invasion of the island, one of several Taiwan military exercises this year in response to Beijing's repeated military flights and naval activities near and around Taiwan.


Trump has reversed US policy in place since 2001 to begin providing technical assistance to Taiwan in developing a Taiwan built fleet of new submarines. Taiwan Air Force generals who have for years pushed hard for the still elusive F-35 are being welcomed at the WH and the Pentagon. US defense contractors have the green light to talk business with Taiwan defense ministry officials. Trump's China hawks in Washington are talking with Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen about leasing Taiping Island between Taiwan and the Philippines as a US military base at the strategically vital Bushi Strait that connects the South China Sea to the open western Pacific and the vital sea lanes to Japan, the Korean peninsula and the Russian far east.

The American Institute in Taiwan which is a private but de facto US embassy staffed by career Department of State personnel and head just got a spectacular new campus in Taipei.

The days of the Porcupine Strategy are over and done with already. This was the Bush-Obama policy of not selling much or many big ticket defense items to Taiwan in favor of providing smaller tactical weapons platforms. The idea was to make a PRC invasion of Taiwan too costly to attempt or consider, i.e., like Beijing having to swallow a porcupine on the Taiwan beaches. Big ticket items are back on the table again however and the Boys in Beijing are furious.
 
Tangmo said:
Virtually everyone involved in national security in the White House and the Pentagon is a champion of Taiwan being recognized diplomatically by the USA as the de facto sovereign independent nation that it is. The movement favors the China hawks who surround Trump in the WH and have widespread support at the Pentagon. Trump himself seems intrigued by it all. Nay, enticed.

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President Tsai Ing-wen observes a joint Naval and Air Force exercise simulation repelling an air-sea invasion of the island, one of several Taiwan military exercises this year in response to Beijing's repeated military flights and naval activities near and around Taiwan.


Trump has reversed US policy in place since 2001 to begin providing technical assistance to Taiwan in developing a Taiwan built fleet of new submarines. Taiwan Air Force generals who have for years pushed hard for the still elusive F-35 are being welcomed at the WH and the Pentagon. US defense contractors have the green light to talk business with Taiwan defense ministry officials. Trump's China hawks in Washington are talking with Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen about leasing Taiping Island between Taiwan and the Philippines as a US military base at the strategically vital Bushi Strait that connects the South China Sea to the open western Pacific and the vital sea lanes to Japan, the Korean peninsula and the Russian far east.

The American Institute in Taiwan which is a private but de facto US embassy staffed by career Department of State personnel and head just got a spectacular new campus in Taipei.

The days of the Porcupine Strategy are over and done with already. This was the Bush-Obama policy of not selling much or many big ticket defense items to Taiwan in favor of providing smaller tactical weapons platforms. The idea was to make a PRC invasion of Taiwan too costly to attempt or consider, i.e., like Beijing having to swallow a porcupine on the Taiwan beaches. Big ticket items are back on the table again however and the Boys in Beijing are furious.
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Great post!
In your opinion do you think China would hack into thr usa midterms to help the dems take the house back?
 
Jaygodmedia said:
Great post!
In your opinion do you think China would hack into thr usa midterms to help the dems take the house back?
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No. The view in Beijing is never to interfere with the enemy when he is busy destroying himself. The thought is anyway Putin-Trump garbage and subterfuge, i.e, that a foreign power would interfere with an election to assist Democrats. Republicans are the beneficiary of foreign interposition in USA elections and Trump more than any American except Robert Mueller knows this. While D's can be targeted by Moscow or Beijing just as well as R's can be targeted -- either way -- both Moscow and Beijing benefit the greatest by the current distribution of power in Washington. That is, unchecked Republican party power. Putin-Trump power. Putin to Trump to Congress.

Since Trump was elected a billion Chinese led by CCP have been celebrating what they have declared to be the failure of democracy in the United States. The partisan divisions. Chinese elites which is to say CCP see Trump as being consistent with China's own history of leaders, all of whom save one are authoritarian autocrats who more than anything else are corrupt through and through. Only Sun Yat-sen the small d democrat was able to form a republican government that was elected but Sun lasted two years in office. Nothing since on the mainland.

Taiwan is the opposite to Trump's divided and fractured USA however. Taiwan democracy presents Beijing with resolve and unity. The pro independence Democratic Progressive Party has for the first time won control of both the presidency and the legislature and by a huge margin in the legislature. Pro Beijing Guomindang party lost its lock on the Taipei mayor's office and so on as it continues its fold into a general collapse. The blowback for CCP Boyz in Beijing is that an authoritarian pro-Taiwan government in USA would influence Taiwan toward DPP becoming dominant in government in island elections indefinitely. And a formal declaration of independence.

While both Moscow and Beijing deal in political economy as the natural nexus of politics and economics, each of 'em has its focus. It's fair to say Moscow focuses on political power while Beijing focuses on economics as the avenue to gain control over nations and continents. Anyone who knows the Chinese knows they are profoundly and historically racist supremacists who believe it is their destiny to rule over all peoples and dominate the nations of the world. Central to the malady that is inherent to being Chinese is their rejection of the Out of Africa thesis of human evolution. The Chinese believe they popped up in their place and are genetically unique and separate from the rest of we human rabble. The Chinese are fixed in their 5000 year old given of the pyramid society of 1% intelligent natural leaders at the top and the other 99% who must be led and commanded lest they dissolve into what we are witnessing in the USA presently.

Chinese elites wretch at the word democracy past, present, future. They see no problem with the fact each Chinese dynasty fails and that the new one is the same as the previous one and the one before it and the one before that etc. Chinese think of USA as the equivalent of a Chinese dynasty, the average life of a Chinese dynasty being 250 years. So the view of the Chinese elites toward the USA is superficial, China-centric, simple minded and highly selective.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
China's government wants total power. BUT doesn't have what it takes to rule this world.
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So true!




I kind of feel sorry for those elderly guys who rule China, especially those who have never spent time in the West.

They do not have a clue.

I laughed out loud a few years ago when I read that China had plans to start a media empire that would span the world. It dreamed of millions of people reading Chinese-financed newspapers and magazines, for example. What a delusion! Even in China, no one reads the boring and propaganda-filled newspapers.

It will take decades and decades before China becomes a genuine world power. (Remember how little Vietnam whipped China's butt some years back along their border?)
 
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longview said:
I cannot pretend to understand what benefit China gets by standing by North Korea,
but there must be something.
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They share a 870 border for one thing. They are trading partners and have a sizeable economic bond. China sent a million man Army into during the Korean conflict to aid N. Korea and scared the crap out of General MacArthur. The Chinese intervention sent the US retreating back to the 38th parallel. For China, N. Korea is a buffer zone between them and the democratic South. China's greatest fear is collapse of the Kim regime for it would trigger a flood of millions of N. Koreans into China, that's the last thing they want.
 
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