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China in the 21st Century

This was pretty interesting
What will the new administration do be China's little bitch?
 
This was pretty interesting
What will the new administration do be China's little bitch?
The multinationals want China’s cheap labor, Wall street wants to handle their money on commission, the Hunter Biden’s of the congress and the new administration are cutting deals for themselves.
Meanwhile, Joe six pack is pimping out his future for $600 bucks.
 
I cannot pretend to understand what benefit China gets by standing by North Korea,
but there must be something.

The Chinese don't want a democracy sitting on their border. It's assumed that S Korea would take a free N Korea under its wing and reform as a democratic Korea who's rich a powerful.

It would be right on China's border.

When the UN nearly won the Korean War, a million Chinese soldiers backed up N Korea to prevent a loss. Instead the war was a tie.
 
The Chinese don't want a democracy sitting on their border. It's assumed that S Korea would take a free N Korea under its wing and reform as a democratic Korea who's rich a powerful.

It would be right on China's border.

When the UN nearly won the Korean War, a million Chinese soldiers backed up N Korea to prevent a loss. Instead the war was a tie.


Nothing to do with a democracy on the boarder, it has a lot of democracies on it boarder. It does not want a large US military presence on its boarder. North Korea provides a buffer.
 
The great concern of Beijing and Washington to include Seoul of course is a NK collapse, which is presumed to be sudden and panic inducing if might occur.

Each GW and OB sent their people to low profile meetings in SK with Beijing's CCP guys to put their heads together on any kind of NK collapse.

The starting point is that neither Beijing nor SK want a collapsed NK. Each of 'em look at the immense and enormous cost of German unification to the very prosperous West Germany and say no, no way. There's the huge problem of the NK population that is retarded socially and in popular culture, in their economics and job skills, their health, housing, education, politics, government and so on.

Moreover NK escapees to SK typically have a wicked time adjusting. A lot of 'em go to Thailand instead which is the only third country in the region that accepts 'em despite Beijing raging against it, Thailand being a formal US treaty ally. Beijing sends 'em back from China but only after burning 'em a good one first and in advance of NK authorities punishing 'em and their family that's still in NK.

First thing of course in a collapse is to get control of Pyongyang's nuclear weapons before some whackjob NK general can start pushing buttons or whatever. With Pyongyang being a stone's throw from SK compared to China this would be for the Americans to do with SK forces.

I can't be confident of where these arrangements might be now after Trump and Kim, Trump and Xi, Trump and Seoul, but my understanding over here has been that Beijing gets the Yalu River to include a couple of hundred miles beyond which makes 'em happy. SK gets stuck with everything south of there and US forces absolutely remain south of the 38th parallel once the North is secure.

And that US forces would be reduced by as much as a half initially and probably altogether after several more years.. Trump probably agreed to a complete withdrawal whereas neither GW nor OB did, each of 'em going only with the reduction. Biden would likely want to duplicate GW and OB but that might be tough to get back again if Trump did in fact agree to the eventual complete withdrawal. I'd bet the ranch nobody would lose money betting Trump accepted the complete withdrawal position of Beijing.

Beijing would relieve its years of night sweats about a swarm of NK refugees into China on a NK collapse by securing the Yalu and accepting the population and territory a couple of hundred miles south of the Yalu. Beijing controlling the Yalu and the land approach to it is of a great geostrategic importance to Beijing, as we know from Beijing's entry into the Korean Conflict right when MacArthur was ready to walk across it -- if not part it himself.

Beijing would also need to swear on a stack of Chairman Mao little red books not to try anything about Taiwan in the event of a NK collapse and the ensuing chaos. I'm confident Beijing knows they'd have their hands full already dealing with a NK collapse should it occur. It's Taiwan that might declare independence under the cover of the chaos; its vp of the dominant DPP wants a formal declaration yesterday for a number of years now.
 
Biden is going to have a huge China problem. China is going to go after Taiwan knowing that Biden won’t respond. Foreign affairs is going to be ugly in the Biden / Harris era.
 
Chinese elites have always been grandiose and convinced they're always right. So they lecture and scold a lot, sort of like a miserable bitch who can't be wrong.

Every dynasty has failed btw. Thousands of years of 'em, each and every one has gone bust sooner or later.

CCP are a young and nervous dynasty in business suits and Florsheims. They know to get what they can while the getting is good. Chinese people meanwhile know from their history to save for the rainy day.

The problem the mass of Chinese are blind to is that when times get tough they give more power to the ruler who's the guy that's been screwing to pooch to begin with. The more powerful ruler and his clique take their greater power to continue to make things worse until the whole thing comes crashing down again.

Rinse & Repeat.
 
Biden is going to have a huge China problem. China is going to go after Taiwan knowing that Biden won’t respond. Foreign affairs is going to be ugly in the Biden / Harris era.

Putin wreaking havoc across the United States is Xi's new model for Taiwan. Putin in Ukraine is a subtext of the same thing or similar to it.


How China will ‘break’ Taiwan with assassinations and cyberattacks — but no invasion

Rather than invade, China may try to “break” this tiny island through a brutal campaign including assassinations and cyberattacks.


China is unlikely to invade Taiwan but will use “all means short of war” to achieve reunification — including political assassinations, cyberattacks and even “stray” missiles into civilian areas — a new paper argues. The chilling scenario is laid out in a policy brief from the China Matters think tank, which argues that the long-held notion that the Chinese government would eventually “attack” Taiwan is an “outdated assumption”. Instead, China under President Xi Jinping would force Taiwanese leadership to start negotiating through a “protracted and intensive campaign”, which the US and others including Australia would find “extremely difficult to counter”.


China, rather than invade Taiwan, would “strive to create utter chaos in Taiwan and compel the government to accede to the PRC’s demands”. China could pressure major Taiwanese investors in China to sign a letter to the Taiwanese government calling for cross-Strait political talks — refusal to sign would result in “business difficulties”. Beijing could suddenly cut Taiwan’s air routes into China, forcing international airlines to choose between servicing the two countries. As tensions escalate, Taiwan’s stock market would plunge. The country’s ruling Democratic Progressive Party would come under pressure internally from PRC-backed media outlets and street protesters. “Street gangs would attack independence supporters,” she writes. “Confrontations between opposing political groups could become violent.” The most intense phase of the campaign would include a ramping up of disinformation efforts and a “barrage of sophisticated cyberattacks with the aim of first disrupting Taiwan’s electricity and telecommunications and then shutting them down”.

How China will ‘break’ Taiwan without invading (news.com.au)



The picture includes hard to counter rumors set loose in Taiwan's "darkened cities" severed from communications. The PLA Navy would then blockade Taiwan's harbors. So rest assured Taiwan, the US and allies in the region and in NATO are on the case.

For instance, if the U.S. Navy with air support and allies needed to blast their way into Taiwan's blockaded harbors and also land troops on Taiwan to restore order then that's what will occur. U.S. has wisely never ruled out first use either to include on the Chinese mainland. Indeed, the Chinese mythology of winning without firing a shot is -- as it's always been -- delusional. Dangerously so.
 
I cannot pretend to understand what benefit China gets by standing by North Korea,
but there must be something.

Preventing the unification of North and South Korea under South Korean leadership. That would create a nation as economically powerful as Japan (eventually) right on China's doorstep. And a free nation at that. It would be an immensely appealing alternative to China and an economic and military rival.
 
Putin wreaking havoc across the United States is Xi's new model for Taiwan. Putin in Ukraine is a subtext of the same thing or similar to it.


How China will ‘break’ Taiwan with assassinations and cyberattacks — but no invasion

Rather than invade, China may try to “break” this tiny island through a brutal campaign including assassinations and cyberattacks.


China is unlikely to invade Taiwan but will use “all means short of war” to achieve reunification — including political assassinations, cyberattacks and even “stray” missiles into civilian areas — a new paper argues. The chilling scenario is laid out in a policy brief from the China Matters think tank, which argues that the long-held notion that the Chinese government would eventually “attack” Taiwan is an “outdated assumption”. Instead, China under President Xi Jinping would force Taiwanese leadership to start negotiating through a “protracted and intensive campaign”, which the US and others including Australia would find “extremely difficult to counter”.


China, rather than invade Taiwan, would “strive to create utter chaos in Taiwan and compel the government to accede to the PRC’s demands”. China could pressure major Taiwanese investors in China to sign a letter to the Taiwanese government calling for cross-Strait political talks — refusal to sign would result in “business difficulties”. Beijing could suddenly cut Taiwan’s air routes into China, forcing international airlines to choose between servicing the two countries. As tensions escalate, Taiwan’s stock market would plunge. The country’s ruling Democratic Progressive Party would come under pressure internally from PRC-backed media outlets and street protesters. “Street gangs would attack independence supporters,” she writes. “Confrontations between opposing political groups could become violent.” The most intense phase of the campaign would include a ramping up of disinformation efforts and a “barrage of sophisticated cyberattacks with the aim of first disrupting Taiwan’s electricity and telecommunications and then shutting them down”.

How China will ‘break’ Taiwan without invading (news.com.au)



The picture includes hard to counter rumors set loose in Taiwan's "darkened cities" severed from communications. The PLA Navy would then blockade Taiwan's harbors. So rest assured Taiwan, the US and allies in the region and in NATO are on the case.

For instance, if the U.S. Navy with air support and allies needed to blast their way into Taiwan's blockaded harbors and also land troops on Taiwan to restore order then that's what will occur. U.S. has wisely never ruled out first use either to include on the Chinese mainland. Indeed, the Chinese mythology of winning without firing a shot is -- as it's always been -- delusional. Dangerously so.
Well Imean look what China did to our elections. No question they could hurt Taiwan.
 
Well Imean look what China did to our elections. No question they could hurt Taiwan.
My commentary focused on Putin and Russia wreaking havoc in our 2016 election of the Potus and since, continuing to the present.

I detest the Russian state yet I like PutinTrumpRowers in USA even less.

The domestic Radical Right is the worst enemy Americans face given you are within.
 
Nothing to do with a democracy on the boarder, it has a lot of democracies on it boarder. It does not want a large US military presence on its boarder. North Korea provides a buffer.

Would that be a roomer and a boarder?

Or a rumor and a boarder?

Surely you wouldn't mean a bed and breakfast given so many in NK have neither.

Your point does survive the tangle of words and the malapropism however, ie, Beijing rejects absolutely a U.S. military presence at its border.

In fact in the 1950s a strip of Laos was inserted at the Thai-China border so that Thailand would not share its northern border with China -- this was right after Thailand signed a bilateral mutual defense treaty with the USA. The Thailand northern border thus ended at Laos instead of at China.

An oddity of it though is that China believes it must accept Russian troops along its northern border at Siberia to include XinJiang (NewFrontier) where the Russians used to roam pre Mao (also: Xinjiang).
 
I cannot pretend to understand what benefit China gets by standing by North Korea,
but there must be something.

A relationship with North Korea is quite useful to China. One of the main reasons it is against reunification of the peninsula is that it doesn't want US troops on its border and so NK acts as a buffer zone. However, this isn't to say that China is oh so friendly with the North Korean government. They recognize that NK has its uses and that's it.
 
So a mad man surrounding another nation with over 100,000 troops and its the USA fault?
Nonsense but well played China welcome to the crappy show which is the fog of World War 3?
 
I cannot pretend to understand what benefit China gets by standing by North Korea,
but there must be something.

The benefit is not having the US or the UN at the Chinese border.
 
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