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This new immigration rule is un-American

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This new immigration rule is un-American

A system designed to extend a helping hand to those in peril has been turned into a latticework of sinister snares.

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Under Donald Trump the 'welcome torch' has been extinguished.

2/24/20
The "public charge" rule change which took effect Monday to block poor or disabled immigrants from seeking better lives in the United States is quintessentially Trumpian -- and quintessentially un-American. It's the latest example of this President's arrogance and cruelty when it comes to how we treat our fellow human beings -- the "tired," "poor," "huddled masses yearning to breathe free," as Emma Lazarus's poem "The New Colossus" explains in her timeless tribute on the Statue of Liberty. That statue in New York's harbor has greeted millions of newcomers to our country who came with little more than the clothes on their backs, yet parlayed their dreams and their hard work into better lives for families and a stronger, bigger economy for all of us. It's an integral part of our nation's history that President Trump seems determined to ignore, as he continues to use immigrants as scapegoats for whatever ails our economy and our society. The "public charge" rule, a sweeping effort to restrict legal immigration and turn America's back on our neighbors -- lets officials refuse green cards to any immigrant who currently uses, or may likely need, any form of public-benefit assistance. In other words, if any immigrant may ever need Medicare, food stamps, housing vouchers, or is "likely to become a public charge at any time," they could be disqualified from permanent legal status.

Public charge rules were used to exclude tens of thousands of German Jews who were trying to flee Nazi oppression. Sadly, when the Supreme Court ruled January 27 to clear the way for President Trump's rule to take effect, it did so on International Holocaust Remembrance Day. Yet this cruelty isn't a by-product of policy; this cruelty is the policy. This is being done in America's name and we now must decide what kind of nation we want to be. Immigrants are not "burdens" upon the American public as the Trump administration wants you to believe. In fact, our economy likely would suffer without the immigrants this rule could bar from living in the US. Despite the President's relentless effort to restrict legal immigration, America is stronger because of immigrants' hard work and contributions in every generation. We need comprehensive immigration reform that accounts for this, not punitive and short-sighted reactionism like this public charge rule. President Ronald Reagan had it right in his 1989 farewell address to the nation, when he referenced John Winthrop and spoke of his vision of America as the "shining city on a hill." "(I)n my mind, it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace -- a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity," Reagan said. "And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here." The will and the heart -- not the cold, hard cash. We are better than that.

Another cruel facet of Donald Trumps white-ethnocentric immigration policies.

Related: Trump’s immigration policies are straight out of dystopian fiction
 
Times change. We can no longer afford to take in everyone who wants to come. Our deficit spending is already way out of reason. Letting more people come in who are unable to support themselves will only increase our spending...and hurt EVERYONE in the country.

Trump is right. It's time to draw some lines.
 
Times change. We can no longer afford to take in everyone who wants to come. Our deficit spending is already way out of reason. Letting more people come in who are unable to support themselves will only increase our spending...and hurt EVERYONE in the country.

Trump is right. It's time to draw some lines.

If your concern was actually the deficit why are you not concerned that Trump and the GOP have exploded the deficit to levels far worse than Obama? We need to put "the fiscal conservative" on milk cartons because he's been missing just over 3 years now.
 
If your concern was actually the deficit why are you not concerned that Trump and the GOP have exploded the deficit to levels far worse than Obama? We need to put "the fiscal conservative" on milk cartons because he's been missing just over 3 years now.

LOL!!

You complain about Trump exploding the deficit...and you complain about Trump trying to prevent the deficit from exploding even more.

Make up your mind, eh?
 
LOL!!
You complain about Trump exploding the deficit...and you complain about Trump trying to prevent the deficit from exploding even more.
Make up your mind, eh?

Ah, nice side-step. Ignore the deficit you're actually running up now for the deficit the big bad immigrants might create someday. If you cared about the deficit you'd be furious that Obama's was so much less than Trump's.
 
Ah, nice side-step. Ignore the deficit you're actually running up now for the deficit the big bad immigrants might create someday. If you cared about the deficit you'd be furious that Obama's was so much less than Trump's.

It's most commonly known as a hypocrite.
 
This new immigration rule is un-American

A system designed to extend a helping hand to those in peril has been turned into a latticework of sinister snares.

statue-of-liberty-1392273_1280-480x384.jpg

Under Donald Trump the 'welcome torch' has been extinguished.



Another cruel facet of Donald Trumps white-ethnocentric immigration policies.

Related: Trump’s immigration policies are straight out of dystopian fiction

We should be picky in who we let into our country. Letting in people who can't support themselves is a horrible idea. This isn't the 1800s where everyone who came off a boat was responsible for themselves and there was no foodstamps, welfare and other ****. We got enough of our own poor to worry about.We don't need more. The people we let immigrate here should be doctors and other desired professions that can be a huge benefit to us. Allowing more poor people to immigrate here so they can squeeze out our poor in much needed work and be a drain on tax payers is not a benefit to us as a whole.
 
Contrary to the nonsense from Trump haters, neither Trump nor I are able to predict future disasters.

But tell me...would you have rather Trump vetoed that legislation? Or, are you glad he did so you complain about something else about Trump?

Contrary to the nonsense from Trump haters, neither Trump nor I are able to predict future disasters.

A 'self caused' disaster(wink)

By the way, in Idaho we have 79 deaths(LOL)
 
This new immigration rule is un-American

A system designed to extend a helping hand to those in peril has been turned into a latticework of sinister snares.


It's the latest example of this President's arrogance and cruelty when it comes to how we treat our fellow human beings -- the "tired," "poor," "huddled masses yearning to breathe free," as Emma Lazarus's poem "The New Colossus" explains in her timeless tribute on the Statue of Liberty.

statue-of-liberty-1392273_1280-480x384.jpg

Under Donald Trump the 'welcome torch' has been extinguished.



Another cruel facet of Donald Trumps white-ethnocentric immigration policies.

Related: Trump’s immigration policies are straight out of dystopian fiction

Let's take a deep breath for a sec.

Why would that poem by Emma Lazarus be taken as if to be tired, poor and yearning to breathe free - are the only things to be taken into consideration and the only requirements to get into the land of the free?

She's expressing her own opinion through poetry - for crying out loud! It's just her opinion!


Emma Lazarus (July 22, 1849 – November 19, 1887) was an American author of poetry, prose, and translations, as well as an activist for Jewish causes.

She wrote the sonnet "The New Colossus" in 1883.[1] Its lines appear inscribed on a bronze plaque, installed in 1903,[2] on the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty.[3]

The last stanza of the sonnet was set to music by Irving Berlin as the song "Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor" for the 1949 musical Miss Liberty, which was based on the sculpting of the Statue of Liberty (Liberty Enlightening the World). The last stanza was also set by Lee Hoiby in his song "The Lady of the Harbor" written in 1985 as part of his song cycle "Three Women".
Emma Lazarus - Wikipedia


In 1883, William Maxwell Evarts and author Constance Cary Harrison asked Lazarus to compose a sonnet for the "Art Loan Fund Exhibition in Aid of the Bartholdi Pedestal Fund for the Statue of Liberty" - an art and literary auction to raise funds for the Statue's pedestal run by the American Committee for the Statue of Liberty. In turn, Lazarus, inspired by her own Sephardic Jewish heritage, her experiences working with refugees on Ward's Island, and the plight of the immigrant, wrote "The New Colossus" on November 2, 1883.
Emma Lazarus - Statue Of Liberty National Monument (U.S. National Park Service)



Lol. That phrase did for the Statue of Liberty what "here's looking at you, kid" did for Casablanca.




Here was the immigration act around that time!

The Act

On August 3, 1882, the forty-seventh United States Congress passed the Immigration Act of 1882. It is considered by many to be "first general immigration law" due to the fact that it created the guidelines of exclusion through the creation of "a new category of inadmissible aliens."[3]

There were two main components of the Immigration Act of 1882. The first was to create a "head tax" that would be imposed upon certain immigrants entering the country.

The Act states that "There shall be levied, collected and paid a duty of fifty cents for each and every passenger not a citizen of the United States who shall come by steam or sail vessel from a foreign port to any port within the United States."
This money would be paid into the United States Treasury and "shall constitute a fund called the immigration fund."

These funds would be used to "defray the expense of regulating immigration under this act."

Scholar Roger Daniels commented that the head tax eventually "would rise, in stages, to eight dollars by 1917. In most years the government collected more in head taxes than it spent on administration."[4]
Immigration Act of 1882 - Wikipedia




Reality is not as romantic as you'd want it to be. :shrug:
 
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This new immigration rule is un-American

A system designed to extend a helping hand to those in peril has been turned into a latticework of sinister snares.

statue-of-liberty-1392273_1280-480x384.jpg

Under Donald Trump the 'welcome torch' has been extinguished.



Another cruel facet of Donald Trumps white-ethnocentric immigration policies.

Related: Trump’s immigration policies are straight out of dystopian fiction
Inadmissibility due to likelihood of becoming a public charge is codified in the law at 8 USC 1182(a)(4). It's been there, in some form, since at least 1952 when the Immigration and Nationality Act was enacted and deemed inadmissible those who were "paupers, professional beggars, or vagrants" (Sec 212(a)(8) of Public Law 82-414).

Please do explain how a law that's been around for nearly 70 years is a result of "Donald Trumps [sic] white-ethnocentric immigration policies."
 
The "tired masses" refers to people who had enough of totalitarian Europe. Give us more of those, from any part of the world, they are willing to work and make a living for themselves, all they wanted in return was to be left alone to succeed, which the US did, and still does to some extent.

It's something else altogether when your whole platform is supporting illegal welfare aliens and refugees who will be depend on gov't for life, all the while support unAmerican or even anti-American policies. The people have enough.

I do disagree with Trump on skilled immigration, I believe it's talent theft and serves only to keep the 3rd world perpetually down.
 
The "tired masses" refers to people who had enough of totalitarian Europe.

No. The Statue of Liberty invitation is nowhere restricted to "lily white Europeans".

That is just how the racists among us interpret it.
 
The "tired masses" refers to people who had enough of totalitarian Europe. Give us more of those, from any part of the world, they are willing to work and make a living for themselves, all they wanted in return was to be left alone to succeed, which the US did, and still does to some extent.

It's something else altogether when your whole platform is supporting illegal welfare aliens and refugees who will be depend on gov't for life, all the while support unAmerican or even anti-American policies. The people have enough.

I do disagree with Trump on skilled immigration, I believe it's talent theft and serves only to keep the 3rd world perpetually down.

I honestly don’t understand this American way of choosing side and sticking to it regardless. It’s like you after choosing to vote for either the Republican or the Democrats you just stop to think for yourselves and becomes the puppet of an ventriloquist. (I believe this is the main reason to why Trump was elected in the first place)Think guys and girls , never stop to think! You can disagree with the politicians of your choice and still vote for them in the end, you can agree with the other side on some cases and still not vote for them. An even stranger thing is that the only one that seems to think for himself in this specific question and even wants more restrictions identify himself as a liberal , while the only ones that from an ideological way see illegal immigration as a good thing are right wing liberals. I do not understand.

Whether he knows it or not, in this specific question Donald Trump is a leftie. Coming from Sweden, being a citizen from that very country that Donald Trump used as a terrifying example and a reason for building his wall and being one of those citizens that thought and still think we did the right thing in taking in as many as we possible could and that we should do it over and over and over again, I am telling you that taking in refugees that seek asylum , fleeing from war and prosecution is one thing, illegal and unregulated immigration is another!

And yes, Donald trump is probably just a racist and makes all his political gambits based on that, but never the less, to socialists unregulated immigration is a bad thing . For the ”lefties” it leads to salary dumping, poorer working conditions also outside the branches where those worker are employed, higher unemployment figures and in the end poverty, and yes, you can use the regular liberal argument. They(the immigrants) only takes works the Americans (or Swedes depending on which country you are in) don’t want anyway. This argument misses the point. The reason domestic people don’t want those jobs is because they already been subjects of salary(and in US: working conditions) dumping . For the conservative lower salaries and working conditions and even unemployment for the masses is more a good thing than a bad thing but the economical consequences of money poring out from the country and not getting reinvested is a bad thing.
 
I honestly don’t understand this American way of choosing side and sticking to it regardless.
We live in divisive times, and this is a phenomenon online only, in person the disagreements are not so toxic. Online, trolling is also a thing.

While there are Trump fans who agree with everything he does, this kind of agreement is now entrenched firmly on the far left. The progressive movement will have you excommunicated for any disagreement, no matter how small. Heck, they'll kick your butt and call you a rightwing idiot if you fail to get on the latest new view no matter if the view the day before was the opposite, it's truly Orwellian.

You have to understand that when your president is constantly under attack by all mainstream media, no matter what he does, all celebrity (Hollywood) and most social media companies, it is self-defeating to admit any wrong doing, so instead you find hypocrisy or failure of the opposition (which is easy) and focus on that.

You're right tho, it is a huge problem.
 
Times change. We can no longer afford to take in everyone who wants to come. Our deficit spending is already way out of reason. Letting more people come in who are unable to support themselves will only increase our spending...and hurt EVERYONE in the country.

Trump is right. It's time to draw some lines.

Then cut spending, not immigration
 
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