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US held record number of migrant children in custody in 2019

americanwoman said:
No, if an American woman is taken to prison her children are not put into a for profit detention center. That's why we have foster care programs if there is no family member able to step up. Try again.
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i hope americanwoman doesn't go to prison
 
americanwoman said:
No, if an American woman is taken to prison her children are not put into a for profit detention center. That's why we have foster care programs if there is no family member able to step up. Try again.
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Many of the illegal children are placed in foster care. Just not enough for all of them.
 
americanwoman said:
A wall will only have them walk a little more to the coyote who dug a hole for them.

Knowing they have work and benefits on the other side of said wall with a much increased standard of living, nothing will stop them from trying to get over/under that wall.
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We can fill in the hole as soon as they dig it. Supposedly some kind of sensors that detect the digging.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Agreed that neither party really has addressed the root causes of the problem of asylum seekers from Central America, nor the problem of illegal immigration. Instead, they have made the issues into political footballs.

This thread is about removing children from their parents as a way of discouraging asylum seekers. The Trump sycophants seem to think that's OK, because it was a policy initiated by Trump. They also seem to think that Trump was telling the truth when he said the policy was that of Obama, and that he ended it.

How anyone can continue to believe anything Trump says is a mystery.
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My understanding is they are continuing a policy of a prior administration on a larger scale. It may be distasteful but I do not see it as something that can hung around his neck. The fundamental problem right now is that the laws are not settled since there have been so many exceptions and priorities and back and forth with many people expecting something favorable to be done for them. Congress needs to take up the issue. Tighten or loosen the standards, codify what is or is not permissible around the issues and set it in stone so there is no expectation that the law will change anytime soon.
 
Napoleon said:
No, because the vast majority of these children are unaccompanied minors. One can absolutely question the conditions they are held in but the detention itself is not a human rights abuse. What do you propose the government do when it finds thousands of children wandering around in the desert alone? Leave them there to die?
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That was the dilemma facing the nation during the last administration. Then, along came Trump and his policy of separating children from their parents in order to discourage asylum seekers. Now, most of the children in detention were brought here by their parents. Read the OP article.
 
Napoleon said:
Yes, until such time as it can be confirmed that the person claiming to be a parent is at minimum a relative or otherwise legal guardian.
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and after that? After months of separation, and the government not even knowing where the parents are, when parents have been transported hundreds of miles away from their children, then is it still OK?
 
dixon01767 said:
????? Yes, when parents are incarcerated for violating the law, they don't get to take their kids with them. It applies equally to the single American mom with 2 kids busted for possession and illegal border crossers. Keep em on the other side of a 20ft wall so we don't have to deal with the difficult situation of children with criminals as parents.
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and when parents haven't been indicted, let alone convicted, of a crime, is it still OK? Seeking asylum is not a crime, after all.
 
Drawdown said:
My understanding is they are continuing a policy of a prior administration on a larger scale. It may be distasteful but I do not see it as something that can hung around his neck. The fundamental problem right now is that the laws are not settled since there have been so many exceptions and priorities and back and forth with many people expecting something favorable to be done for them. Congress needs to take up the issue. Tighten or loosen the standards, codify what is or is not permissible around the issues and set it in stone so there is no expectation that the law will change anytime soon.
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agreed that Congress needs to act on this issue.

The policy was initiated by Donald J. Trump, pure and simple. Yes, the results need to be "hung around his neck", as you put it. It's his decision, his results.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Geees........... Obama was busing unaccompanied illegal children around the country for cris sakes.
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What do we conclude from that? He can't separate children from parents who aren't with them.
 
Dittohead not! said:
That was the dilemma facing the nation during the last administration. Then, along came Trump and his policy of separating children from their parents in order to discourage asylum seekers. Now, most of the children in detention were brought here by their parents. Read the OP article.
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Yes, and the initial photos circulated of the detention of these children date to the Obama Administration. So we know they handled unaccompanied minors in exactly the same way. 20,000 unaccompanied minors were found and detained this spring alone. They dwarf the number of children separated from people alleging to be their parents.
 
dixon01767 said:
Noooooo. Intended to promote not arresting illegal border crossers with kids. Have em sign a piece of paper and send them on their way. Provide assistance if they need any. Id advocate for a wall. Keep them on the other side and no need to do any separating.
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That would be counterproductive. Also, there is the significant problem of unaccompanied minors. Better to force everyone through a proper point of entry.
 
Napoleon said:
Yes, and the initial photos circulated of the detention of these children date to the Obama Administration. So we know they handled unaccompanied minors in exactly the same way. 20,000 unaccompanied minors were found and detained this spring alone. They dwarf the number of children separated from people alleging to be their parents.
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People "alleging to be their parents?" Are you still in denial that the Trump Administration initiated a policy of deliberately taking children from their parents in order to discourage asylum seekers?
 
Dittohead not! said:
People "alleging to be their parents?" Are you still in denial that the Trump Administration initiated a policy of deliberately taking children from their parents in order to discourage asylum seekers?
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I’m stating the facts. And the facts are that DHS became aware of a scam whereby Mexican parents were leasing their children to migrants as insurance because having a child and pretending to be a family made them more likely to be catch and release beneficiaries under the previous administration not to mention human trafficking. That’s reason enough to justify temporary separation while verifying if they’re even related or legal guardians regardless of Trump’s motives.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Agreed that neither party really has addressed the root causes of the problem of asylum seekers from Central America, nor the problem of illegal immigration. Instead, they have made the issues into political footballs.
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The democrats don't see waves of illegal immigrants crossing our borders as a problem. They want to make it easier for them to bring in even more. To make it more enticing to attract even more.
 
Dittohead not! said:
and when parents haven't been indicted, let alone convicted, of a crime, is it still OK? Seeking asylum is not a crime, after all.
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Crossing the border illegally is the crime. They don't go to the ports of entry to declare refugee status and request asylum.
 
Dittohead not! said:
What do we conclude from that? He can't separate children from parents who aren't with them.
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Your posted article is made up BS. Idiots proclaim an "unprecedented" "record" in the detention of illegal immigrant children when in fact it isn't even near the actual unprecedented record set by Obama in 2015. The article puts these silly ideas in your head and you eat it up so eagerly.
 
Jay59 said:
That would be counterproductive. Also, there is the significant problem of unaccompanied minors. Better to force everyone through a proper point of entry.
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Unaccompanied minors aren't a problem for us when they are on Mexicos side of the wall.
 
dixon01767 said:
Unaccompanied minors aren't a problem for us when they are on Mexicos side of the wall.
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Contradictions like this have always been part of the problem. The famous picture of a child on the other side of a chain link fence was taken years before Trump was elected. Human suffering matters most when it is political leverage
 
I really need to stop calling the Republican Party the Party of God. There are way more people in the Democratic Party, like older democrats and African American democrats and Hispanic democrats who have the love of God in their heart than there are in the Republican Party.
 
dixon01767 said:
Many of the illegal children are placed in foster care. Just not enough for all of them.
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Source?

And if that is the case, it makes no sense to separate the child, use more money and resources to place the children into foster care, and then sort out the family's status instead of just keeping the family together while it gets worked out.
 
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