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US held record number of migrant children in custody in 2019

Dittohead not! said:
Posted just so the voters of this great nation don't forget what it government has been doing. This is a human rights abuse, pure and simple, and needs to be acknowledged for what it is and the damage being done mitigated in any way possible.


Reuniting these families should be priority #1, don't you agree?
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If these kids sneaked into America illegally, what exactly do you want us to do with them?
 
Napoleon said:
I’m stating the facts. And the facts are that DHS became aware of a scam whereby Mexican parents were leasing their children to migrants as insurance because having a child and pretending to be a family made them more likely to be catch and release beneficiaries under the previous administration not to mention human trafficking. That’s reason enough to justify temporary separation while verifying if they’re even related or legal guardians regardless of Trump’s motives.
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and is it also a fact that the Trump Administration initiated a policy of removing children from parents who were seeking asylum and putting them in detention centers?

Or are you in denial of that plain ugly fact?
 
dixon01767 said:
The democrats don't see waves of illegal immigrants crossing our borders as a problem. They want to make it easier for them to bring in even more. To make it more enticing to attract even more.
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So, now we're conflating illegal immigrants with asylum seekers?
And claiming that only the Democrats want them to come? All this despite the fact that neither party addressed the issue of illegal immigration for decades, regardless of who held the White House and Congress?
 
swing_voter said:
If these kids sneaked into America illegally, what exactly do you want us to do with them?
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Did they come on their own, or did their parents bring them?
And when did it become illegal to seek asylum in this bastion of liberty and human rights?
 
dixon01767 said:
Crossing the border illegally is the crime. They don't go to the ports of entry to declare refugee status and request asylum.
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Asylum seekers routinely turned away from ports of entry, advocates say

After the death of seven-year-old Jakelin Amei Rosmery Caal Maquin, the US Department of Homeland Security asked parents to “not put themselves or their children at risk attempting to enter illegally”. Instead they urged: “Please present yourselves at a port of entry and seek to enter legally and safely.”

But what the US authorities failed to acknowledge after the young girl’s death just after she was taken into US custody, was just how difficult it is to ask for asylum at any port of entry into the US along the sprawling border with Mexico.
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Dittohead not! said:
and is it also a fact that the Trump Administration initiated a policy of removing children from parents who were seeking asylum and putting them in detention centers?

Or are you in denial of that plain ugly fact?
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Yes, the Trump administration documented a policy for an existing practice.
 
dixon01767 said:
Your posted article is made up BS. Idiots proclaim an "unprecedented" "record" in the detention of illegal immigrant children when in fact it isn't even near the actual unprecedented record set by Obama in 2015. The article puts these silly ideas in your head and you eat it up so eagerly.
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A deliberate policy of removing children from their families in order to discourage asylum seekers is, indeed, unprecedented. There is no "record set by Obama" in that evil policy, as it wasn't made a policy until Trump made it one.
 
dixon01767 said:
Those people aren't charged with a crime. We were discussing the illegal border crossers.
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No, this thread is not about illegal border crossers. It is about taking children from their parents, then losing track of where the parents even are.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, now we're conflating illegal immigrants with asylum seekers?
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An illegal border crosser who asks for asylum when he is caught is still an illegal border crosser and illegal immigrant
 
Dittohead not! said:
Source?

I call bull**** on that one.
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The policy was only an expansion of Operation Streamline and the practice of separating children from people suspected of not being their parents. Joe was called out by CNN in September for lying about this in claiming these separations didn’t happen under the Obama administration.
 
Dittohead not! said:
No, this thread is not about illegal border crossers. It is about taking children from their parents, then losing track of where the parents even are.
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MY statements YOU are disputing were about illegal border crossers. Thus your drastic efforts to change the topic. Typical.
 
dixon01767 said:
An illegal border crosser who asks for asylum when he is caught is still an illegal border crosser and illegal immigrant
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An asylum seeker has to ask on US soil. Asylum seekers aren't hiding from the Border Patrol. They have to present themselves to ICE.
 
Napoleon said:
The policy was only an expansion of Operation Streamline and the practice of separating children from people suspected of not being their parents. Joe was called out by CNN in September for lying about this in claiming these separations didn’t happen under the Obama administration.
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Even it that's true, there's still a big difference between separating children from parents and separating them from people suspected of not having custody.

Even when dealing with citizens within the USA, an adult with children who are not his/hers is subject to suspicion. The children need to be taken from their custody to protect them from potential kidnappers.
 
dixon01767 said:
MY statements YOU are disputing were about illegal border crossers. Thus your drastic efforts to change the topic. Typical.
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The topic is what it has always been: the policy of removing children from their parents as a way of discouraging asylum seekers. If the subject was somehow changed to illegal border crossers, that was not my doing.
 
Dittohead not! said:
An asylum seeker has to ask on US soil. Asylum seekers aren't hiding from the Border Patrol. They have to present themselves to ICE.
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And if they do so at the port of entry like the laws required, they are not charged with a crime. MY STATEMENT YOU WERE RESPONDING TO was

dixon01767 said:
The democrats don't see waves of illegal immigrants crossing our borders as a problem. .
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Dittohead not! said:
Even it that's true, there's still a big difference between separating children from parents and separating them from people suspected of not having custody.

Even when dealing with citizens within the USA, an adult with children who are not his/hers is subject to suspicion. The children need to be taken from their custody to protect them from potential kidnappers.
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Previous administrations did both. Children were separated from their parents when said parents were detained for prosecution under Operation Streamline and also if there was suspicion that they weren’t actually the child’s parents. The only things that changed between those policies and practices and what Trump did is DHS’s awareness of a child-leasing scam that cast suspicion on anyone with a child and an expansion of Operation Streamline to include first-time offenders.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Not only held them, but effectively orphaned many, then put them up for adoption. How evil is that?
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They were already orphaned by their parents, and sent up here with human traffickers. Many are molested on the way up here. Are you okay with that?
 
Dittohead not! said:
No, this thread is not about illegal border crossers. It is about taking children from their parents, then losing track of where the parents even are.
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That's false, you specifically brought up MIGRANTS who at this time are considered to be the illegal aliens crossing the border. You have now realized how very wrong you are about everything, and are trying to change the subject. You also brought up asylum seekers. Legal residents aren't seeking asylum.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The topic is what it has always been: the policy of removing children from their parents as a way of discouraging asylum seekers. If the subject was somehow changed to illegal border crossers, that was not my doing.
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The forum records the posts

Dittohead not! said:
Agreed that neither party really has addressed the root causes of the problem of asylum seekers from Central America, nor the problem of illegal immigration.
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dixon01767 said:
The democrats don't see waves of illegal immigrants crossing our borders as a problem. They want to make it easier for them to bring in even more. To make it more enticing to attract even more.
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Dittohead not! said:
So, now we're conflating illegal immigrants with asylum seekers?
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dixon01767 said:
An illegal border crosser who asks for asylum when he is caught is still an illegal border crosser and illegal immigrant
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dixon01767 said:
And if they do so at the port of entry like the laws required, they are not charged with a crime. MY STATEMENT YOU WERE RESPONDING TO was
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The statement I was responding to is bull****. First, the issue of asylum seekers is a problem regardless of whether you're a Democrat, a Republican, or neither. Second, it's about asylum seekers, not illegals crossing the border.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Agreed that neither party really has addressed the root causes of the problem of asylum seekers from Central America, nor the problem of illegal immigration. Instead, they have made the issues into political footballs.

This thread is about removing children from their parents as a way of discouraging asylum seekers. The Trump sycophants seem to think that's OK, because it was a policy initiated by Trump. They also seem to think that Trump was telling the truth when he said the policy was that of Obama, and that he ended it.

How anyone can continue to believe anything Trump says is a mystery.
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Trump is not the only liar in the federal government.

Such mendacity is a common bipartisan practice.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Trump is not the only liar in the federal government.

Such mendacity is a common bipartisan practice.
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Trump tells more whoppers than all of the rest of the political prevaricators put together. He has raised dissembling to an art form, and doesn't even care about plausible deniability.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The statement I was responding to is bull****. First, the issue of asylum seekers is a problem regardless of whether you're a Democrat, a Republican, or neither. Second, it's about asylum seekers, not illegals crossing the border.
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Your post says otherwise.
Dittohead not! said:
….the problem of illegal immigration...... .
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The portion of your post I was responding to.
 
dixon01767 said:
Your post says otherwise.


The portion of your post I was responding to.
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Context:

Agreed that neither party really has addressed the root causes of the problem of asylum seekers from Central America, nor the problem of illegal immigration. Instead, they have made the issues into political footballs.
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