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    Re: Mississippi: Most Illegals in ICE Raids Stole American Identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Drawdown View Post
    Wasn't "our" money until collected, so counting chicks before they hatch and all that


    I don't know what you're getting at. The prevailing estimate is $1T. It is likely that, like Clinton after Reagan and Obama did after Bush2 tinkle-down tax plans that the giveaway tax cuts by Trump will be reversed given the Dems win POTUS and Congress. So, those would be the chicks not yet hatched. But they are the chicks put into tax policy and will go just that way unless changed as I described.

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    Re: Mississippi: Most Illegals in ICE Raids Stole American Identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc91478 View Post
    Mississippi: Most Illegals in ICE Raids Stole American Identities


    https://www.realclearinvestigations....ds_121106.html
    8 Nov 19 ~ By Stephen Dinan
    Most of the 680 illegal immigrants nabbed in August’s immigration raids at poultry plants in Mississippi worked under stolen American identities, the Department of Homeland Security’s top investigator told Congress Thursday, rebuffing Democrats who insisted the “undocumented” workers were doing no harm. More galling, according to the Democrats who convened the hearing, is that none of the managers at the poultry processing businesses has been charged.


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    Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSA Democrat Leftists don't care when the identities of Americans are stolen. They are happy to receive any additional tax revenues and see them as votes. That is why, it is up to us to pressure our elected representatives build the border wall, end illegal immigration, and deport those illegals.
    Hmm...., Document fraud, no employer prosecutions. They are the same thing overseen by the same scum who keep throwing more Americans to the curb to die.
    Ultimately, It takes some time to build the case, and to gather Evidence that can be used in Court. Employers will be fined and jailed as stated in Federal Law if enough evidence can be found.
    The big question is, where did the stolen ID's and Social Security numbers come from? How much did the owners and managers know? Has ICE investigated the sources of the false ID's?
    Did the owners or managers break Federal law in any of their hiring practices, including that of hiring illegals.
    This is clearly an issue covered by our Tenth Amendment; any States want to Insist our general government follow federal doctrine and enforce our supreme law of the land in a more faithful manner.

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    Re: Mississippi: Most Illegals in ICE Raids Stole American Identities

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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    Re: Mississippi: Most Illegals in ICE Raids Stole American Identities

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    This is clearly an issue covered by our Tenth Amendment; any States want to Insist our general government follow federal doctrine and enforce our supreme law of the land in a more faithful manner.
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    States Rights - constitution | Laws.com
    This argument over the rights designated to Congress through Article 1, section 8 of the United States Constitution and the 10th Amendment are the main points of argument held by those who follow states rights; and a strict constructionist view, and those who follow an expansionist view of the Constitution.
    The necessary and proper clause, as stated in Article 1, section 8, clause 18 states that “the congress shall have Power – To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”
    What this means is that the federal government may create laws and regulations that are “necessary and proper” to achieve the goals of the federal government concerning the enumerated powers. A great example of the “necessary and proper” clause at work is by looking at the commerce clause of Article 1, section 8, clause 3 of the United States Constitution.


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    There really isn't a clause in the Constitution that makes ANY federal law superior to any state law. States can legally challenge any federal law until the Supreme Court rules the federal law to be constitutional or not. If the Supreme Court does then rule the federal law to be constitutional, then the federal law is superior to any state law.
    "Federal law always takes priority over state law. If it were not, it would be similar to what the Articles of Federation did. Revolution, anarchy of the states, and no order whatsoever. However, if federal law is blatantly unjust, representatives of that state may appeal it in Congress. Just to ignore it, however, is overstepping their boundaries."
    Last edited by Doc91478; 11-13-19 at 12:31 PM.

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    Re: Mississippi: Most Illegals in ICE Raids Stole American Identities

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc91478 View Post
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    States Rights - constitution | Laws.com
    This argument over the rights designated to Congress through Article 1, section 8 of the United States Constitution and the 10th Amendment are the main points of argument held by those who follow states rights; and a strict constructionist view, and those who follow an expansionist view of the Constitution.
    The necessary and proper clause, as stated in Article 1, section 8, clause 18 states that “the congress shall have Power – To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”
    What this means is that the federal government may create laws and regulations that are “necessary and proper” to achieve the goals of the federal government concerning the enumerated powers. A great example of the “necessary and proper” clause at work is by looking at the commerce clause of Article 1, section 8, clause 3 of the United States Constitution.


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    There really isn't a clause in the Constitution that makes ANY federal law superior to any state law. States can legally challenge any federal law until the Supreme Court rules the federal law to be constitutional or not. If the Supreme Court does then rule the federal law to be constitutional, then the federal law is superior to any state law.
    "Federal law always takes priority over state law. If it were not, it would be similar to what the Articles of Federation did. Revolution, anarchy of the states, and no order whatsoever. However, if federal law is blatantly unjust, representatives of that state may appeal it in Congress. Just to ignore it, however, is overstepping their boundaries."
    It is about natural rights in our several and sovereign States; most actually codify it in their State Constitution. it must be available via Due Process in federal venues.

    There is no provision for excuses in our federal doctrine. We should have no illegals or illegal underclass because our welfare clause is General not Common.

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    Re: Mississippi: Most Illegals in ICE Raids Stole American Identities

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    It is about natural rights in our several and sovereign States; most actually codify it in their State Constitution. it must be available via Due Process in federal venues.

    There is no provision for excuses in our federal doctrine. We should have no illegals or illegal underclass because our welfare clause is General not Common.


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    Hmm..., Natural Rights, "the state of nature is a condition without civil authority, in which peace and mutual distrust prevails. The law of nature has no person to overlook its enforcement because everyone serves as the judge, jury and executioner. Therefore, there is a need for political authority and power to ensure that certain inalienable rights are protected."
    Indeed, these inalienable ("Natural") the state of nature is a condition without civil authority, in which peace and mutual distrust prevails. The law of nature has no person to overlook its enforcement because everyone serves as the judge, jury and executioner. Therefore, there is a need for political authority and power to ensure that certain inalienable rights are protected rights covered by the Bill Of Rights and the amendments to the Constitution.

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    Re: Mississippi: Most Illegals in ICE Raids Stole American Identities

    Quote Originally Posted by j brown's body View Post
    Undocumented immigrants paying into Social Security that they will never see is helping to keep the program afloat.
    Except when they claim enough dependents to not pay.

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