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    The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census
    July 8, 2019 ~ By Matt Vespa
    Cue the meltdown because one looks like one could hit liberal America very soon. Weve been haggling over the citizenship question in the 2020 census. Its been asked before in past surveys. As the Department of Justice was ordered to look into ways to include the key question, AG Barr recently announced that a path might have been found (via Post and Courier ): Attorney General Barr tells SC reporters he's found a legal recourse on Census question | News | postandcourier.com
    Again, the Democrats are going to go ballistic, so grab some popcorn. Well see what happens.


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    I have no problem with illegals being counted... it's nice to know where they're at so we can direct our ICE resources to the right areas. I have a problem with illegals being used for apportionment of Congressional Districts. Besides... Progressive Marxist Socialists/DSA Democrats shouldn't need the illegals with all the dead people they have voting. The Constitution demands that a citizenship question be included on the decadal census. (See: Article 1, Section 2, "The 3/5ths Compromise"). Now, this might seem a strange place to start, but bear with me because the 3/5th compromise is relevant to the constitutional amendment which articulates the need for the citizenship question. That amendment is the 14th Amendment which provided full citizenship for everyone regardless of race. Section '1' of the 14th Amendment defines the criteria for being a U.S. citizen and also states that anyone who is a U.S. citizen is a citizen in all states.

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    Re: The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On C

    if Tweety's undercount attempt succeeds, the tainted census should be thrown out as unconstitutional. my guess is that the attempt will fail. Tweety has already been told no by his friendly SCOTUS.

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    Re: The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On C

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    The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census



    The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census
    July 8, 2019 ~ By Matt Vespa
    Cue the meltdown because one looks like one could hit liberal America very soon. We’ve been haggling over the citizenship question in the 2020 census. It’s been asked before in past surveys. As the Department of Justice was ordered to look into ways to include the key question, AG Barr recently announced that a path might have been found (via Post and Courier ): Attorney General Barr tells SC reporters he's found a legal recourse on Census question | News | postandcourier.com
    Again, the Democrats are going to go ballistic, so grab some popcorn. We’ll see what happens.


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    I have no problem with illegals being counted... it's nice to know where they're at so we can direct our ICE resources to the right areas. I have a problem with illegals being used for apportionment of Congressional Districts. Besides... Progressive Marxist Socialists/DSA Democrats shouldn't need the illegals with all the dead people they have voting. The Constitution demands that a citizenship question be included on the decadal census. (See: Article 1, Section 2, "The 3/5ths Compromise"). Now, this might seem a strange place to start, but bear with me because the 3/5th compromise is relevant to the constitutional amendment which articulates the need for the citizenship question. That amendment is the 14th Amendment which provided full citizenship for everyone regardless of race. Section '1' of the 14th Amendment defines the criteria for being a U.S. citizen and also states that anyone who is a U.S. citizen is a citizen in all states.
    Free Blacks were counted as whole persons. Asians (who could not be citizens) were counted as whole persons.
    There is nothing about citizenship in the general rules for apportionment. In the case that a state denies the vote to any male citizen age 21 or over for any reason other than a crime, then representation is to be dropped by the percent of denied from the whole number of 21+ male citizens.

    But that has never been invoked and the citizenship information doesn’t have to come from the decennial census.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On C

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if Tweety's undercount attempt succeeds, the tainted census should be thrown out as unconstitutional. my guess is that the attempt will fail. Tweety has already been told no by his friendly SCOTUS.
    What you need to know about the Census’ citizenship ...
    What you need to know about the Census’ citizenship question | PolitiFact
    Yes. The first Census was conducted in 1790 and asked for the name of the head of the family and the number of persons in each household, including slaves. (President George Washington and Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson both were skeptical of the 3.9 million count, expecting the number of inhabitants to be higher.)

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    Re: The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On C

    This is actually somewhat plausible. SCOTUS did not rule against the question, just the due diligence. If there is a way to satisfy the Court's objections in the timeframe necessary, it might pass muster.

    That said, I don't expect it to work.

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    Re: The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On C

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Free Blacks were counted as whole persons. Asians (who could not be citizens) were counted as whole persons.
    There is nothing about citizenship in the general rules for apportionment. In the case that a state denies the vote to any male citizen age 21 or over for any reason other than a crime, then representation is to be dropped by the percent of denied from the whole number of 21+ male citizens.

    But that has never been invoked and the citizenship information doesn’t have to come from the decennial census.

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    You're correct. Trump can use the numbers indicated from IRS Federal returns. This shows the number of dependents and if a person is filing individually or jointly. Another method of tabulation is those people filing for Social Security numbers and payments to SSI. I believe the numbers from IRS would be more accurate in as much as illegal aliens would not be applying for Social Security numbers or benefits. Since Individual IRS tax forms are optically read, it would be simple to tabulate dependents from each household filing their tax forms.....
    Last edited by Doc91478; 07-09-19 at 12:53 AM.

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    Re: The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On C

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc91478 View Post
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    You're correct. Trump can use the numbers indicated from IRS Federal returns. This shows the number of dependents and if a person is filing individually or jointly. Another method of tabulation is those people filing for Social Security numbers and payments to SSI. I believe the numbers from IRS would be more accurate in as much as illegal aliens would not be applying for Social Security numbers or benefits. Since Individual IRS tax forms are optically read, it would be simple to tabulate dependents from each household filing their tax forms.....
    There still has to be an actual census every 10 years. Tax records would be an enormously difficult inaccurate measure of the population.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
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    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On C

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    There still has to be an actual census every 10 years. Tax records would be an enormously difficult inaccurate measure of the population.
    How many illegal aliens do you know that file annual tax returns?

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    Re: The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On C

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    There still has to be an actual census every 10 years. Tax records would be an enormously difficult inaccurate measure of the population.


    Correct there must be a census according to the U.S. Constitution according to Article 1 Section 2. That is so U.S. Representatives be properly assigned. For example 27 U.S. Representatives are assigned for NY State whereas there are only four (4) Representatives assigned for Rhode Island by population Illegals aliens reported as citizens violates Article 1 Section 2 of the Constitution.

    See: U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 2 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
    Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
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    The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
    No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
    (Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.) (The previous sentence in parentheses was modified by the 14th Amendment, section 2.) The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five and Georgia three.

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    Re: The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On C

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc91478 View Post
    What you need to know about the Census’ citizenship ...
    What you need to know about the Census’ citizenship question | PolitiFact
    Yes. The first Census was conducted in 1790 and asked for the name of the head of the family and the number of persons in each household, including slaves. (President George Washington and Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson both were skeptical of the 3.9 million count, expecting the number of inhabitants to be higher.)
    King Tangface wants the question included in order to scare Latinos into not responding so that he can facilitate an undercount. that's why the SCOTUS told him no.

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