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Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border

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Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border (npr).
The stretch of desert near Ajo can be deadly. The Pima County Medical Examiner has documented 250 migrant deaths in the area since 2001. In the same time frame, thousands have died of dehydration and exposure in the Arizona borderlands.
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Notwithstanding the foregoing, it seems that it is a federal offense to be a good Samaritan, at least to this morally challenged administration. I'm sick of it. It is imperative, I believe, that humanity be restored to our governance.
 
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Stop enticing the rats. When you leave food on the floor in your home, you have an infestation problem. If illegal immigrants know there is a path of food, they will be more likely to risk the trip.

This, as compassionate as people may think it is, will likely cause more people to cross and more deaths yet.
 
Harboring laws have been on the books long before Trump. I for one do not support setting up food/water stations for illegals. People wanting to migrate to the US should enter into the country legally.

I have little compassion for those who cross illegally.
 
You're right, I started a thread to discuss humanity, and attracted rats.
 
NWRatCon said:
Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border (npr).Notwithstanding the foregoing, it seems that it is a federal offense to be a good Samaritan, at least to this morally challenged administration. I'm sick of it. It is imperative, I believe, that humanity be restored to our governance.
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Thing is, if MILLIONS were to do it, the govt would be swamped and unable to do anything about it.
In the Fifties and Sixties, Citizens Band radio was a heavily moderated and regulated civilian radio service.
You had to have a license to use it and the FCC practiced fairly strict monitoring in most parts of the country.
I remember seeing the vans and station wagons with the antenna farms and the RDF loops on them with the FCC logo on the doors.
"Uncle Charlie", we called them.

Then the movie "Convoy" hit the theaters and suddenly the CB radio craze was on in full swing. Then Burt Reynolds and that cutie pie Sally Field made it even more popular. Now even the girls thought it was cool.

First they tried getting rid of the 35 dollar license application fee, just mail in your application for free and get your license.
It did no good whatsoever, twenty-seven million people wanted to yell "Breaker One-Nine good buddy"into their microphones and they weren't going to wait for two months for their stupid piece of paper.

The FCC GAVE UP, and eliminated the licensing altogether. They don't even bother sending Uncle Charlie around unless the violator is so bad that a hundred people or more are complaining, and even then it's not likely they are going to invest more than an hour's effort.

People are running around with "foot warmer" linear amplifiers putting out anywhere from 50 to 500 watts and not encountering any problems. The regulated legal output of a CB radio is FOUR WATTS on AM and twelve watts on sideband.

Even the ham radio bands are pretty much unregulated these days. The hams themselves try to do what they can to keep things running smoothly, but go ahead and tune in to 147.435 mHz and tell me how "regulated" that repeater sounds to your virgin ears.
For those of you outside Los Angeles, here's the live stream:

K6MWT 147.4350 MHz Los Angeles Renegade Repeater - Live Audio Feed Web Player

My point is, as long as only a small handful of do gooders are daring to leave water in the desert, the Feds will have a field day.
But if it gets to the point where they're dealing with a hundred folks a day doing the same thing, there's no way they can handle that much civil disobedience effectively.
And God help them if a hundred people start digging wells or putting in airwell water harvesters.
 
NWRatCon said:
Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border (npr).Notwithstanding the foregoing, it seems that it is a federal offense to be a good Samaritan, at least to this morally challenged administration. I'm sick of it. It is imperative, I believe, that humanity be restored to our governance.
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I am all for detaining and deporting those persons who violate our immigration laws and cross our borders illegally to enter into our country, whatever their excuse may be. Further I am for prosecuting those who help illegal immigrants enter into the country and harbor them or knowingly engage in violations of our nation's immigration laws, whatever their excuse may be.

But I argue no government officer has the right to tell me who I may give my food and water to if they are outside the government's custody. If I give a gallon jug of water or a sandwich to a man, woman or child in the desert, I believe that I am perfectly within my rights to do so and it is the government that should seek leave to restrain me, not I who should seek the government's leave to offer the milk of human kindness.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Stop enticing the rats.
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There it is. The dehumanization.

I'm sure you feel exactly this way about jaywalkers and people who drive five over the speed limit. /s
 
Offering food and water to people already over the border doesn't "aid or abet" their crossing.
 
AmNat said:
Here's an idea:
Don't aid and abet criminals. If a fugitive asks you to help them, call 911 and let the authorities deal with the situation.
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I heard that immigration issues are a civil matter rather than a criminal one.
Supposedly, that's why the word illegal is favored by some — it implies a person is a criminal without having to actually defend the charge.

Is that false?
Are immigration issues criminal issues?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I heard that immigration issues are a civil matter rather than a criminal one.
Supposedly, that's why the word illegal is favored by some — it implies a person is a criminal without having to actually defend the charge.

Is that false?
Are immigration issues criminal issues?
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Illegal entry is a criminal matter.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Stop enticing the rats. When you leave food on the floor in your home, you have an infestation problem. If illegal immigrants know there is a path of food, they will be more likely to risk the trip.

This, as compassionate as people may think it is, will likely cause more people to cross and more deaths yet.
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The first step to dehumanizing people is to start referring to them as vermin that deserves to die. Dictators and authoritarians thank you for their support.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Stop enticing the rats. When you leave food on the floor in your home, you have an infestation problem. If illegal immigrants know there is a path of food, they will be more likely to risk the trip.

This, as compassionate as people may think it is, will likely cause more people to cross and more deaths yet.
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:lol: People aren't entering the US illegally for a free glass of water. People who hire illegals are the ones doing the most to encourage them to cross the border and should be the ones facing jail time, not the people preventing deaths.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I heard that immigration issues are a civil matter rather than a criminal one.
Supposedly, that's why the word illegal is favored by some — it implies a person is a criminal without having to actually defend the charge.

Is that false?
Are immigration issues criminal issues?
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Yes illegal immigration is a crime. The first offense is six months in jail the second offense is two years in jail. Those who say illegal immigration is a civil offense either have no idea what they are talking about or they are lying.

Illegal Immigration IS A CRIME!
nder Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
  • Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
  • Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
  • Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
 
spud_meister said:
:lol: People aren't entering the US illegally for a free glass of water. People who hire illegals are the ones doing the most to encourage them to cross the border and should be the ones facing jail time, not the people preventing deaths.
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People who aid in their crossing are also encouraging people to come here illegally as well as elected officials who promise amnesty/legal status. Elected officials who set up sanctuary city and state policies also encourage illegal immigration. Elected officials who allow illegals to get licenses,permits and benefits under the guise of their children also encourage people to come here illegally. All these people need to be stopped.
 
jamesrage said:
People who aid in their crossing are also encouraging people to come here illegally as well as elected officials who promise amnesty/legal status. Elected officials who set up sanctuary city and state policies also encourage illegal immigration. Elected officials who allow illegals to get licenses,permits and benefits under the guise of their children also encourage people to come here illegally. All these people need to be stopped.
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Most illegal immigrants are for economic reasons. Everything you mentioned comes after they're here, it's economics that bring them, and that's how you prevent it. Jail people that hire them, and expedite deportation for the immigrants.
 
This seems like a violation of religious freedom as helping the poor can be motivated by one's faith. But since it involves helping people instead of oppressing them, this cruel administration is surely unimpressed by this.

In our own history, this policy reminds me of the Fugitive Slave Act where northerners were compelled to assist in the apprehension of runaway slaves. In both cases, the state is forcing the individual to act in immoral way. That someone is facing the prosoect if 20 years in prison for helping to save or protect lives is simply unconscionable.

Mr. Trump's reign corrupts us all.
 
jamesrage said:
People who aid in their crossing are also encouraging people to come here illegally as well as elected officials who promise amnesty/legal status. Elected officials who set up sanctuary city and state policies also encourage illegal immigration. Elected officials who allow illegals to get licenses,permits and benefits under the guise of their children also encourage people to come here illegally. All these people need to be stopped.
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In other words, with an unprecedented number of people coming here to seek asylum, Mr. Trump's inhumane border policy is a failure.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Stop enticing the rats. When you leave food on the floor in your home, you have an infestation problem. If illegal immigrants know there is a path of food, they will be more likely to risk the trip.

This, as compassionate as people may think it is, will likely cause more people to cross and more deaths yet.
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A+ post. This^
 
Lord of Planar said:
Stop enticing the rats. When you leave food on the floor in your home, you have an infestation problem. If illegal immigrants know there is a path of food, they will be more likely to risk the trip.

This, as compassionate as people may think it is, will likely cause more people to cross and more deaths yet.
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This reads like something out of Mein Kampf.
 
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