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    Re: Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I heard that immigration issues are a civil matter rather than a criminal one.
    Supposedly, that's why the word illegal is favored by some — it implies a person is a criminal without having to actually defend the charge.

    Is that false?
    Are immigration issues criminal issues?
    Illegal entry is a criminal matter.
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    Re: Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Stop enticing the rats. When you leave food on the floor in your home, you have an infestation problem. If illegal immigrants know there is a path of food, they will be more likely to risk the trip.

    This, as compassionate as people may think it is, will likely cause more people to cross and more deaths yet.
    The first step to dehumanizing people is to start referring to them as vermin that deserves to die. Dictators and authoritarians thank you for their support.
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    Re: Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border

    Quote Originally Posted by AmNat View Post
    Illegal entry is a criminal matter.
    Nope, false. Certain forms are a misdemeanor, but by far not all.
    Mission: "to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States." ACLU. Why isn't every American a member?

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    Re: Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Stop enticing the rats. When you leave food on the floor in your home, you have an infestation problem. If illegal immigrants know there is a path of food, they will be more likely to risk the trip.

    This, as compassionate as people may think it is, will likely cause more people to cross and more deaths yet.
    People aren't entering the US illegally for a free glass of water. People who hire illegals are the ones doing the most to encourage them to cross the border and should be the ones facing jail time, not the people preventing deaths.
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    Re: Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I heard that immigration issues are a civil matter rather than a criminal one.
    Supposedly, that's why the word illegal is favored by some it implies a person is a criminal without having to actually defend the charge.

    Is that false?
    Are immigration issues criminal issues?
    Yes illegal immigration is a crime. The first offense is six months in jail the second offense is two years in jail. Those who say illegal immigration is a civil offense either have no idea what they are talking about or they are lying.

    Illegal Immigration IS A CRIME!
    nder Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
    • Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
    • Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
    • Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

    has committed a federal crime.

    Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
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    Re: Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border (npr).Notwithstanding the foregoing, it seems that it is a federal offense to be a good Samaritan, at least to this morally challenged administration. I'm sick of it. It is imperative, I believe, that humanity be restored to our governance.
    I am sick of people aiding in illegal immigration.They are encouraging people to come here illegally by aiding them. They should be prosecuted.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    People aren't entering the US illegally for a free glass of water. People who hire illegals are the ones doing the most to encourage them to cross the border and should be the ones facing jail time, not the people preventing deaths.

    People who aid in their crossing are also encouraging people to come here illegally as well as elected officials who promise amnesty/legal status. Elected officials who set up sanctuary city and state policies also encourage illegal immigration. Elected officials who allow illegals to get licenses,permits and benefits under the guise of their children also encourage people to come here illegally. All these people need to be stopped.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    People who aid in their crossing are also encouraging people to come here illegally as well as elected officials who promise amnesty/legal status. Elected officials who set up sanctuary city and state policies also encourage illegal immigration. Elected officials who allow illegals to get licenses,permits and benefits under the guise of their children also encourage people to come here illegally. All these people need to be stopped.
    Most illegal immigrants are for economic reasons. Everything you mentioned comes after they're here, it's economics that bring them, and that's how you prevent it. Jail people that hire them, and expedite deportation for the immigrants.
    And there's no need to worry since everything is mostly nothing;
    or so I'm told by an angel in a white lab coat

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    Re: Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border

    This seems like a violation of religious freedom as helping the poor can be motivated by one's faith. But since it involves helping people instead of oppressing them, this cruel administration is surely unimpressed by this.

    In our own history, this policy reminds me of the Fugitive Slave Act where northerners were compelled to assist in the apprehension of runaway slaves. In both cases, the state is forcing the individual to act in immoral way. That someone is facing the prosoect if 20 years in prison for helping to save or protect lives is simply unconscionable.

    Mr. Trump's reign corrupts us all.

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    Re: Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    People who aid in their crossing are also encouraging people to come here illegally as well as elected officials who promise amnesty/legal status. Elected officials who set up sanctuary city and state policies also encourage illegal immigration. Elected officials who allow illegals to get licenses,permits and benefits under the guise of their children also encourage people to come here illegally. All these people need to be stopped.
    In other words, with an unprecedented number of people coming here to seek asylum, Mr. Trump's inhumane border policy is a failure.

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