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    Actually, the Numbers Show That We Need More Immigration, Not Less

    Actually, the Numbers Show That We Need More Immigration, Not Less

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    ...A good yardstick for whether a country is admitting too many or too few immigrants — beyond the political mood of the moment — is its economic needs. If America were admitting too many immigrants, the economy would have trouble absorbing them. In fact, the unemployment rateamong immigrants, including the 11 million undocumented, in 2016, when the economy was considered to be at full employment, was almost three-quarters of a point lower than that of natives. How can that be evidence of mass immigration?...

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    Because immigration from Mexico dwindled after the Great Recession at the same time that Hispanic fertility rates dropped by a quarter as well. At the current rate that America is admitting immigrants, this means that the total work force will grow only 0.3 percent per year.

    Unless American birthrates pick up suddenly and expand the work force — an unrealistic assumption given that the country just set a record for low fertility — or the productivity of its dwindling work force quickly doubled, only slightly less unrealistic, says Mr. Goldstone, the United States will be staring at real G.D.P. growth of less than 1.6 percent per year in less than a decade, all else remaining equal.
    I agree that we need to increase immigration.
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    Re: Actually, the Numbers Show That We Need More Immigration, Not Less

    Trump better call Sweden.
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    Re: Actually, the Numbers Show That We Need More Immigration, Not Less

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I agree that we need to increase immigration.
    We just got told that 40% of the jobs are going to get rubbed out by tech.....if so we are not going to have a worker shortage.

    Besides everyone has been saying for decades that the Japanese were going to collapse because they refuse to let in immigrants....this same argument as you are giving....but they have managed their aging society just fine.
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    Re: Actually, the Numbers Show That We Need More Immigration, Not Less

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    We just got told that 40% of the jobs are going to get rubbed out by tech.....if so we are not going to have a worker shortage.

    Besides everyone has been saying for decades that the Japanese were going to collapse because they refuse to let in immigrants....this same argument as you are giving....but they have managed their aging society just fine.
    Japan just started to go negative in population the last couple of years and are just now picking up steam. We won’t know the full effects until another decade or so possibly 2. It takes an entire generation to the effects of a negative fertility rate combined with no immigration. They hit negative replacement around 1980 but didn’t start actually losing population until 2015 and are still at least 10 years from dropping to 1980s level population

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    Re: Actually, the Numbers Show That We Need More Immigration, Not Less

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    We just got told that 40% of the jobs are going to get rubbed out by tech.....if so we are not going to have a worker shortage.

    Besides everyone has been saying for decades that the Japanese were going to collapse because they refuse to let in immigrants....this same argument as you are giving....but they have managed their aging society just fine.
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    Re: Actually, the Numbers Show That We Need More Immigration, Not Less

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I agree that we need to increase immigration.
    You may have a good point. Americans are murdering their own babies by the dump truck loads so who is going to make up the future working class who will be paying the humongous bills left the US government by high flying dope crazed politicians of yesteryear? Bring in young wiry immigrants from all over. From Mexico, from Honduras, from Yemen, from Iraq, from Iran, from Palestine, from Somalia, from Cuba, or from wherever.

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    Re: Actually, the Numbers Show That We Need More Immigration, Not Less

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    I agree that we need to increase immigration.
    But...then we would have more brown people here, and you know that is the prime reason the nativists are all angry...
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    Re: Actually, the Numbers Show That We Need More Immigration, Not Less

    The Democratic Party's solution is to bring in the most uneducated, unskilled, impoverished and often bigoted, sexist and anti-secular people of all by the millions making the USA the world's dumping ground of the least desirable people of all.

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    Re: Actually, the Numbers Show That We Need More Immigration, Not Less

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    You may have a good point. Americans are murdering their own babies by the dump truck loads so who is going to make up the future working class who will be paying the humongous bills left the US government by high flying dope crazed politicians of yesteryear? Bring in young wiry immigrants from all over. From Mexico, from Honduras, from Yemen, from Iraq, from Iran, from Palestine, from Somalia, from Cuba, or from wherever.
    Most important apparently is absolutely allow no white immigrants because all white people are evil, right?

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    Re: Actually, the Numbers Show That We Need More Immigration, Not Less

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yet Japan manages to rank 3rd in GDP year after year, ahead of countries who've taken in millions of migrants. These countries include the UK, Germany, and France.
    China, ranks #2, and also does not allow economic migrants to ever holds citizenship.
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