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How and Why ‘Zero Tolerance’ Is Splitting Up Immigrant Families

For those truly interested in the how and why, this article (from the New York Times, so hardly pro Trump) is reasonably balanced and does attempt to explain the laws involved. It’s definitely critical of zero tolerance but it also undercuts some of the hyperbole about concentration camps, etc.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/us/immigrants-family-separation.html

Your quest to enlighten the "poor children" hysterics will almost certainly go unrewarded. Look at the number of threads on this subject, all titled with over the tear gushing...that is, when they aren't venomous accusations of Beelzebub being one of Trump's minions.
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Half of the critics are jelly kneed, wear it on your sleeve, emoters and the other half faux hair pullers without tears. And the howling by the obstructionists to Trump's immigration agenda are not, even for a moment, sincere.

Did they care that twice as many AMERICAN children are separated from their parents each year, because their parents were sent to prison? Naw, of course not.

Their only real interest is in exploiting a political opportunity with great optics, aided by a cynical press that has dialed back its coverage of major issues to act as a shill in a PR campaign to bash Trump and Republicans.

The issue is simple, either you support the law to secure the border or you don't. Democrats don't and are doing everything possible to tear down whatever is even mildly checking the flow of illegals.
 
The opposition to the policy isn't very complicated. It's a pretty broad backlash including evangelical groups that generally support Trump. Believe or not...people oppose the unneeded separation of parents from the children. It's that simple. The number of people on this board that don't get that pretty straightforward fact is mind boggling. Some want to claim it's not a Trump policy, despite Trump officials claiming they were instituting it as a deterrent. Some even claim that those against the family separation don't really care about those families but are just acting political.

I have news for those that believe either of the above, the Trump administration was very open about the reason for the policy, at least until the backlash and most people believe separating families when it's not needed is cruel.

The only people that seem to really stand by this policy are the Stephen Miller types both in the administration and on this board.

Edit: and by stand by the policy I mean un-equivocally. A lot of people on the right seem to be playing mental gymnastics trying to not deal with the fact the guy they support wants to separate families as a deterrent.

Are some using this as a means to attack Trump and/or immigration enforcement in general? I think so, but you’re right that it would be wrong to say that’s only the case. If you’re interested in actual solutions that prevent this from happening while at the same time acknowledging that criminal prosecution can also be appropriate, then I can respect that.
 
It's unpopular with me because it's unnecessarily cruel, heartless and abusive to the children. Separating children from their parents like this is one of the most terrifying and harmful thing you can do to a child.

http://thehill.com/latino/392790-am...dent-trumps-family-separation-policy-is-child


In no way have I ever said immigration laws shouldn't be enforced or that our border shouldn't be secure. It can be done humanely though.

You have a **** ton of credibility with me, Gina and I have no reason to doubt you. There has to be a solution that satisfies both interests. There might be a point where separation becomes imminent, though like if the parent is actually sentenced to fed pen time prior to deportation.
 
Your quest to enlighten the "poor children" hysterics will almost certainly go unrewarded. Look at the number of threads on this subject, all titled with over the tear gushing...that is, when they aren't venomous accusations of Beelzebub being one of Trump's minions.
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Half of the critics are jelly kneed, wear it on your sleeve, emoters and the other half faux hair pullers without tears. And the howling by the obstructionists to Trump's immigration agenda are not, even for a moment, sincere.

Did they care that twice as many AMERICAN children are separated from their parents each year, because their parents were sent to prison? Naw, of course not.

Their only real interest is in exploiting a political opportunity with great optics, aided by a cynical press that has dialed back its coverage of major issues to act as a shill in a PR campaign to bash Trump and Republicans.

The issue is simple, either you support the law to secure the border or you don't. Democrats don't and are doing everything possible to tear down whatever is even mildly checking the flow of illegals.

I believe you’re accurate with regard to a lot of the outrage, but I don’t think we can assume it about everyone. I mean, I want to be heard on this without being accused of hating the brown people but for that to happen, I need to extend the same courtesy of hearing someone out I’d like to see extended to me.
 
I believe you’re accurate with regard to a lot of the outrage, but I don’t think we can assume it about everyone. I mean, I want to be heard on this without being accused of hating the brown people but for that to happen, I need to extend the same courtesy of hearing someone out I’d like to see extended to me.

Kudos for trying, but after 40 years of debating this subject (I started in 1977 when I woke to the reality we now face) I am fed up with trying to teach mathematics to a rock. The anti-border crowd are just a part of a religion of suicidal altruism, libertarian dogma, and cynical power plays.

Good luck.
 
Migrants waiting for asylum hearings in Tijuana, Mexico, on Tuesday. More than 2,000 children have been separated from their parents since the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” immigration policy went into effect, according to government officials.CreditSandy Huffaker for The New York Times

The number of families making the journey over land to the United States has soared in recent months, infuriating the president, who had cited a decline in 2017 as evidence that his stance on immigration was succeeding.

A new “zero tolerance” policy, calling for criminal prosecution of everyone who enters the country illegally, became official in May, when Attorney General Jeff Sessions visited Arizona and California.



If you cross the southwest border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you — it’s that simple,” Mr. Sessions said.



Tijuana is the largest city in the Mexican state of Baja California and on the Baja California Peninsula.

Tijuana exerts a strong influence on local economics, education, culture, art, and politics. As the city has become a leading center in the country, so has the surrounding metropolitan area, a major industrial and paramount metropolis in northwestern Mexico. Currently one of the fastest growing metropolitan areas in Mexico,[4] Tijuana maintains global city status.[5] As of 2015, the city of Tijuana had a population of 1,641,570.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Casa_de_la_Cultura_-_panoramio.jpg/800px-Casa_de_la_Cultura_-_panoramio.jpg


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tijuana



What's wrong with Tijuana?


Is it those in Elected seats that think Tijuana is 'poor' and needy or is it the common U.S. citizen(s) that rally and protest against The President that think that those from Mexico are needy and in dire straits?



Tijuana has a diverse cosmopolitan population which includes migrants from other parts of Mexico and from all over the world. Tijuana has one of Mexico's largest Asian populations, predominantly consisting of Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese immigrants. Tijuana also has a large and rapidly growing population of United States citizens, mostly from Southern California. Many Latin Americans, notable Cubans, and Guatemalans, have made Tijuana their home. The city also has many Lebanese, Italian, French, Spanish citizens. Recently, the city has received a large influx of Haitian immigrants


Tijuana's importance and rise to a global city has led to its recognition among countries worldwide. In addition to international cultural recognition, Tijuana has received political recognition and is a developing a political center currently host to eight consulates from European, Asian, and North American countries.


The city's proximity to Southern California and its large, skilled, diverse, and relatively inexpensive workforce make it an attractive city for foreign companies looking to establish extensive industrial parks composed of assembly plants that are called maquiladoras, even more so than other cities in the US-Mexican border zone, taking advantage of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) to export products. At its peak, in 2001 Tijuana had roughly 820 of these 'maquiladoras' (today[when?] the number is closer to 550). Foreign and domestic companies employ thousands of employees in these plants, usually in assembly-related labor. Such jobs are not demanding but typically offer above average (although not high paying) salaries for Mexico, with most maqiladoras jobs beginning at Mex$100 per day (about 5 US dollars, as of September 2016), significantly above the Mexican minimum wage of Mex$57.46 (about 3 US dollars, as of September 2016). Companies that have set up maquiladoras in Tijuana include Lanix, Hyundai, Sony,[38] Vortec, BMW, Vizio, Toyota, Dell, Samsung, Kodak, Matsu****a/Panasonic, Bimbo, GE, Nabisco, Ford, Microsoft, Cemex, Zonda, Philips, Pioneer, Airbus, Plantronics, Siemens Mexico, Jaguar, Pall Medical, Tara, Sanyo and Volkswagen. Many of the maquiladoras are located in the Otay Mesa and Florido sections of Tijuana.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tijuana


5 usd per day is about 150 usd per month.


Cost of rent in tijuana is: Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 4,240.00 MXN

4240 MXN = 213 usd


https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Tijuana


Milk (regular), (1 gallon) 65.38 MXN

They supposedly earn 100 MXN per day.
 
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Companies that have set up maquiladoras in Tijuana include Lanix, Hyundai, Sony,[38] Vortec, BMW, Vizio, Toyota, Dell, Samsung, Kodak, Matsu****a/Panasonic, Bimbo, GE, Nabisco, Ford, Microsoft, Cemex, Zonda, Philips, Pioneer, Airbus, Plantronics, Siemens Mexico, Jaguar, Pall Medical, Tara, Sanyo and Volkswagen.


Are any of these 'international' companies, 'native' to Tijuana?


Forum: Immigration
To enter and settle in a country or region to which one is not native.


Are these 'companies' being as 'terrorists' within Tijuana with strange wages?


Or is the minimum wage of : Mexican minimum wage of Mex$57.46 (about 3 US dollars, as of September 2016)


It's strange how this article wrote out the wages:

Day wage and minimum wage... Day wage at 100 MEX$ and Minimum wage at 57.46 MEX$.

if hourly minimum wage is at 57.46MEX$/hr. then an 8 hour day would be around 459.68 MEX$ or 23.10 usd and if the pay rate is at 100 MEX$ per hour then the day pay is around 40.24 usd.


at 23.10 usd/day = 462 usd

40.24 usd/day = 804.8 usd


Cost of rent in tijuana is: Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 4,240.00 MXN

4240 MXN = 213 usd



Which actually can't be all that bad if full rent is only half the monthly earnings.

So then, the foreign companies would be offering a 'better paying' job so why the need to 'illegally' cross the border?


Could it be a way for them to have their rights in their fair share to work within one of these maquidaloras?
 
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Which is a ~ .74 per dollar higher?

What does this mean?

It means a difference of 342.8 usd/month or... 6820.19 MEX$/month.


Which would be > 1/19th of tuition for an International Primary School, Yearly for 1 Child 132,000.00 MXN


1 year of International Primary School, yearly for 1 Child is 132,000 MXN or 6634.65 usd.


https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Tijuana


Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax) 10,380.00 MX or 521.30 usd

per year: 6255.6 usd.

1 year of International Primary School, yearly for 1 Child is 132,000 MXN or 6634.65 usd.
 
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the median household income for California was $67,739 in 2016

https://www.deptofnumbers.com/income/california


The private elementary school average is $9,263 per year

https://www.privateschoolreview.com/tuition-stats/private-school-cost-by-state


OR:

about 13.67% of median household income.



median International elementary school tuition (Mexico) of 6634.65 usd.

is about 106.059% of

6255.6 usd. median yearly income (Mexico)


How and Why ‘Zero Tolerance’ Is Splitting Up [Immigrant] Families


Explain why not having a zero tolerance is good for the U.S. family to The Federal Elects and let's see if they buy it.

With over 325 million individuals and with 126,220,000 households (2017), isn't it the job of the Federal elects to try to keep these numbers 'together' instead of causing 'a dividing of'?
 
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