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Honduran Man Takes Own Life After He Was Separated From Family at Border

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A Honduran father separated from his wife and child suffered a breakdown at a Texas jail and killed himself in a padded cell last month, according to Border Patrol agents and an incident report filed by sheriff’s deputies.

The death of Marco Antonio Muñoz, 39, has not been publicly disclosed by the Department of Homeland Security, and did not appear in any local news accounts. But according to a copy of a sheriff’s department report obtained by The Washington Post, Muñoz was found on the floor of his cell May 13 in a pool of blood with an item of clothing twisted around his neck.

Starr County sheriff’s deputies recorded the incident as a “suicide in custody.”

Muñoz’s death occurred not long after the Trump administration began implementing its “zero tolerance” crackdown on illegal migration, measures that include separating parents from their children and the threat of criminal prosecution for anyone who enters the United States unlawfully.
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Thoughts?
 
Suicide can happen to anyone at any time if the circumstances are right.
DHS needs to look at their suicide protocol because it seems to be possibility lacking.

This advice won't help Muñoz now but please don't drag your children illegally across our border and expect nothing to happen. If you are caught you will go to jail and your kids will be taken form you.
 
My thought is that is sad.
 
HE shouldn't have came into this country illegally.The fact he committed suicide should have no bearing in how we implement our anti-illegal immigration laws. He is responsible for being separated from his kids much like how a criminal who commits some other crime is separated from his family when he is sentenced to prison.
 
We've got hundreds of kids crammed into what used to be a Walmart, it's so bad they don't want you to know how bad it is.

That guy is the tip of an iceberg of appalling inhumanity.
 
late said:
We've got hundreds of kids crammed into what used to be a Walmart, it's so bad they don't want you to know how bad it is.

That guy is the tip of an iceberg of appalling inhumanity.
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We’d better start making room for the other 1.5 billion souls who will qualify under our refugee rules.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Suicide can happen to anyone at any time if the circumstances are right.
DHS needs to look at their suicide protocol because it seems to be possibility lacking.

This advice won't help Muñoz now but please don't drag your children illegally across our border and expect nothing to happen. If you are caught you will go to jail and your kids will be taken form you.
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Deportations of entire families should be expedited.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
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Thoughts?
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I think the answer that you're fishing for is that Trump is responsible for his death. In reality, this very policy was in effect during all 8 years of barry. The bottom line is this...don't drag your kids across the continent with the belief that you'll be able to waltz into America and get handed all of the benefits of citizenship. If you do, why are you surprised if you're arrested, processed and your children are segregated from that group (for their own security). Rape of women and children while making that trek is very common, why wouldn't we separate children from adults until we know who is who?
 
Rogue Valley said:
A barbaric practice can often result in a cruel outcome. A family that will never again be intact.
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Yes we all agree it is barbaric to drag your children illegally across the dangerous desert to
try and sneak into the United States! The cruel outcome is the parents fault for breaking our
immigration law.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
My thought is that is sad.
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Sad, with a good dose of calculated risk. We need to fix this. Continued enabling law breakers won't help the matter. We have to start at the beginning.
 
SDET said:
Deportations of entire families should be expedited.
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Nonsense. We have to close the loopholes, the incentives, deal humanly with those who are here. We are talking about people. I am not saying they should get a free ride. Certain stipulations should be made... learning the language is high on my list...fines per year of being here, etc.
 
Lovebug said:
Nonsense. We have to close the loopholes, the incentives, deal humanly with those who are here. We are talking about people. I am not saying they should get a free ride. Certain stipulations should be made... learning the language is high on my list...fines per year of being here, etc.
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And of course, a path to citizenship so that they become reliable Democrats.
 
Rogue Valley said:
A barbaric practice can often result in a cruel outcome. A family that will never again be intact.
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What's a barbaric practice? Killing yourself to avoid being responsible or or enforcing our laws?
 
SDET said:
And of course, a path to citizenship so that they become reliable Democrats.
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A path is right, not automatically granted. Assuming that all immigrants are Dems is absurd. It is plausible that they turn to the party that seems most pro illegal immigrant. Once they obtain citizenship, they are free to choose. Note the difference.
 
Lovebug said:
A path is right, not automatically granted. Assuming that all immigrants are Dems is absurd. It is plausible that they turn to the party that seems most pro illegal immigrant. Once they obtain citizenship, they are free to choose. Note the difference.
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For first generation immigrants, the polling is about 80% Democrat, much less for second generation. Anyone that doesn't recognize open borders as a Democrat vote importation scheme is being disingenuous.
 
SDET said:
For first generation immigrants, the polling is about 80% Democrat, much less for second generation. Anyone that doesn't recognize open borders as a Democrat vote importation scheme is being disingenuous.
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Under our current system, because they are scared and Dems keep making promises. That amy change once our immigration system gets a much needed overhaul, esp if it is Reps who make a path to citizenship happen. Think about it.
 
late said:
We've got hundreds of kids crammed into what used to be a Walmart, it's so bad they don't want you to know how bad it is.

That guy is the tip of an iceberg of appalling inhumanity.
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So what would you like to see done instead? Or is bashing Trump your only purpose here.
 
Lovebug said:
Sad, with a good dose of calculated risk. We need to fix this. Continued enabling law breakers won't help the matter. We have to start at the beginning.
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What, exactly, does that (bolded above) mean? It would seem that the beginning is foreign nationals making illegal entry or overstaying a temporary visa - that began long ago and continues to this day.
 
I have empathy for the situation the guy found himself in, but it is in no small part because of the choices that he and his family made.

Without borders between sovereign nations, neither is a sovereign nation anymore.

The people who chose to violate federal law, and cross that border between 2 sovereign nations chose that possible outcome for themselves, didn't they? Who forced those people to cross the border illegally?

Just think, if they didn't cross the border illegally, they wouldn't have the potential for such treatment, and such outcomes, would they?

I'd be in full support of making eVerify a 100% requirement for any employment, and heavy fines for businesses that don't comply; we have to address the issue of what is drawing illegal immigrants here in the first place.
 
Fletch said:
So what would you like to see done instead? Or is bashing Trump your only purpose here.
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This was a deliberate choice, Sessions announced the change a month ago.

So they can stop it before the courts force them to stop it, or they can pretend to be human for 5 seconds, and stop it now.
 
late said:
This was a deliberate choice, Sessions announced the change a month ago.

So they can stop it before the courts force them to stop it, or they can pretend to be human for 5 seconds, and stop it now.
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So you have no answer. That's what I figured.
 
eohrnberger said:
I have empathy for the situation the guy found himself in, but it is in no small part because of the choices that he and his family made.

Without borders between sovereign nations, neither is a sovereign nation anymore.

The people who chose to violate federal law, and cross that border between 2 sovereign nations chose that possible outcome for themselves, didn't they? Who forced those people to cross the border illegally?

Just think, if they didn't cross the border illegally, they wouldn't have the potential for such treatment, and such outcomes, would they?

I'd be in full support of making eVerify a 100% requirement for any employment, and heavy fines for businesses that don't comply; we have to address the issue of what is drawing illegal immigrants here in the first place.
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Mandated use of eVerify is a start but why not make it a crime to rent to, educate or offer any other goods/services to the 'undocumented'? Obviously, a three year old did not come here to work - they were brought here to take advantage of a free education, medical care and other goods/services not available in their homeland. When the pay rate here is 8X to 10X that in their homeland then folks can make as much (or more) working one hour here as they could have made working the entire day had they stayed in their homeland.
 
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