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Honduran Man Takes Own Life After He Was Separated From Family at Border

Rogue Valley said:
A barbaric practice can often result in a cruel outcome. A family that will never again be intact.
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yet they would still be intact if he didn't try to break the law.
interesting isn't it.
 
Re: Soyboy ****

Spartacus FPV said:
Not if you're going to continue to peddle lies, you don't deserve a break.
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I watched him say that maybe a dozen times.

He built his political base on Birther lies. In the campaign he peddled racist and Nativist lies.

I ain't the one lying.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Except it isn't Trump's policy. It's the policy created by the Ninth Circuit, under whom this judge serves. If the separation of families "is brutal, offensive, and fails to comport with traditional notions of fair play and decency," one can't help but wonder why the Ninth Circuit mandated it.
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Sessions announced it on national tv. No court demanded it, it was an unforced error.

At first they were relatively honest about it. They wanted to treat people so badly, that they would stop coming.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
FALSE.

In 1997 the Reno v. Flores settlement mandated placement of unaccompanied minors into foster care or licensed non-secure facilities. The Obama administration started placing the surge of Central American families seeking entry into secure family detention centers in 2014. In 2016, the Ninth Circuit ruled in Flores v. Lynchthat the Flores settlement also applied to accompanied minors, and the family detentions were in violation of the settlement.

This is not a Trump policy. This is a Ninth Circuit interpretation of a 1997 agreement.
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The ACLU has a case about this that is impossible for them to lose.

The funny part of this is they are proving their intent. They are going to put them in tents, in the summer, it's cheaper. Fewer doctors, fewer nurses, and fewer people trained to deal with kids. Not licensed. Not all the places kids are in now are licensed.

This is child abuse, and an abuse of human rights, and pretending a court forced that is beyond dumb, by a country mile.
 
late said:
Sessions announced it on national tv. No court demanded it, it was an unforced error.

At first they were relatively honest about it. They wanted to treat people so badly, that they would stop coming.
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I don't care what Sessions said. Removal of children from parents in custody is mandatory, per the Ninth Circuit in Flores v. Lynch. Look it up.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
I don't care what Sessions said. Removal of children from parents in custody is mandatory, per the Ninth Circuit in Flores v. Lynch. Look it up.
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"In 1997 the Reno v. Flores settlement mandated placement of ***unaccompanied*** minors into foster care or licensed non-secure facilities.

We are talking about accompanied kids as young as 4 months.

That also does not change the other demands the laws make.

This is child abuse.
 
late said:
"In 1997 the Reno v. Flores settlement mandated placement of ***unaccompanied*** minors into foster care or licensed non-secure facilities.

We are talking about accompanied kids as young as 4 months.

That also does not change the other demands the laws make.

This is child abuse.
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And in 2016 Flores v. Lynch (I've cited that case three times now) extended it to ACCOMPANIED minors.

LOOK IT UP.

In fact, you don't even need to do any legwork. Let me spoon-feed it to you: https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2016/07/06/15-56434.pdf

Applying familiar principles of contract interpretation, we conclude that the Settlement unambiguously applies both to accompanied and unaccompanied minors
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Page 4 of the linked opinion.

This is not Trump's policy
 
Grizzly Adams said:
And in 2016 Flores v. Lynch (I've cited that case three times now) extended it to ACCOMPANIED minors.

LOOK IT UP.

In fact, you don't even need to do any legwork. Let me spoon-feed it to you: https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2016/07/06/15-56434.pdf


Page 4 of the linked opinion.

This is not Trump's policy
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Yeah, it is.

You don't get to violate laws when administering a legal action.



"The court ordered the government to: (1) make “prompt and continuous efforts toward family reunification,” (2) release class members without unnecessary delay, (3) detain class members in appropriate facilities, (4) release an accompanying parent when releasing a child unless the parent is subject to mandatory detention or poses a safety risk or a significant flight risk, (5) monitor compliance with detention conditions, and (6) provide class counsel with monthly statistical information."
ImmigrationProf Blog

The intent makes the crime, and the intent here is punitive.

Enough with the Reversi World crap, m'kay?
 
late said:
Yeah, it is.

You don't get to violate laws when administering a legal action.



"The court ordered the government to: (1) make “prompt and continuous efforts toward family reunification,” (2) release class members without unnecessary delay, (3) detain class members in appropriate facilities, (4) release an accompanying parent when releasing a child unless the parent is subject to mandatory detention or poses a safety risk or a significant flight risk, (5) monitor compliance with detention conditions, and (6) provide class counsel with monthly statistical information."
ImmigrationProf Blog

The intent makes the crime, and the intent here is punitive.

Enough with the Reversi World crap, m'kay?
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Sweet Jesus McJesusface, you really don't read ****, do you? That quote you came up with was from the lower court and the Ninth Circuit overruled them. Children MUST be released. Children MAY NOT be detained in secure facilities with their parents. Per the Ninth Circuit.

It's right in front of your face, if you'll only READ IT.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Sweet Jesus McJesusface, you really don't read ****, do you? That quote you came up with was from the lower court and the Ninth Circuit overruled them. Children MUST be released. Children MAY NOT be detained in secure facilities with their parents. Per the Ninth Circuit.

It's right in front of your face, if you'll only READ IT.
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Yup, picked the wrong one.

You don't get to abuse children, it's against the law. Sessions policy of prosecution is making a terrible situation worse. Which was the idea.

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obta...-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
 
Ahh. Hmm.

Casa Padre: Different takes on the child immigrant facility in ... - Quartz
https://qz.com/.../casa-padre-different-takes-on-the-child-immigrant-facility-in-browns...
7 hours ago - The 1,469 boys, aged 10 to 17, at Casa Padre in Brownsville, Texas, are among those affected by the Trump administration's new “zero ...

Casa Padre: Inside the Brownsville, Texas, facility sheltering illegal ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/.../casa-padre-inside-the-brownsville-texas-facility-shelterin...
23 hours ago - BROWNSVILLE, Texas -- The government released video on Thursday, showing the inside of a U.S. Department of Health and Human ...

Casa Padre Detention Center Opens Its Doors To Journalists - Splinter
https://splinternews.com/the-first-look-inside-americas-largest-immigrant-youth-1826...
1 day ago - Earlier this month, police were called to help turn away Oregon Senator Jeff Merkley from theCasa Padre detention center in Brownsville, TX, ...
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And then this one.

A prison or a summer camp? Wildly different spins on the Casa Padre child immigrant center

So, hmm. The picture that started all this was one from the Obama era.

Yet, places like Casa Padre exist, are in operation, are well staffed, and are serving the children separated from their illegal alien parents until the case is decided.

Seems like, yet again, the media has over played their hand and that their TDS overrode their necessary and required fact-checking.
 
late said:
It's getting worse.

Oh, I get it, you love child abuse, you're one of those.
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It's getting worse according to whom? You?

And I have a hard time believing those allegations without some sort of evidence.
 
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