Obama Admin Put Immigrant Childrent Into the Hands of Child Trafficers

Since we are going to be running a 24/7 Trump hate-fest on issues surrounding illegal immigration it is important to not that he has only been in office for about a 1 1/2 years and the current situation, much like issues with North Korea, is a dynamic that has been in years in the making, through multiple administrations unwilling to do anything substantial to fix any of the problems until it becomes a crisis.


So here we have a report where the unaccompanied illegal immigrant children ended up going missing, and subsequently being trafficked, because the Obama administration did a poor job at vetting who they placed the children with and having nothing in place to follow up after the fact. It's on a level that qualfies as negligent.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8f6664dfa346

The Obama administration failed to protect thousands of Central American children who have flooded across the U.S. border since 2011, leaving them vulnerable to traffickers and to abuses at the hands of government-approved caretakers, a Senate investigation has found.

The Office of Refugee Resettlement, an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services, failed to do proper background checks of adults who claimed the children, allowed sponsors to take custody of multiple unrelated children, and regularly placed children in homes without visiting the locations, according to a 56-page investigative report released Thursday.

And once the children left federally funded shelters, the report said, the agency permitted their adult sponsors to prevent caseworkers from providing them post-release services.

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But the fallout happens now so the entire illegal immigration mess somehow was created just by Trump in such a short amount of time. Talk about a lack of honesty.

Fishking said:

But the fallout happens now so the entire illegal immigration mess somehow was created just by Trump in such a short amount of time. Talk about a lack of honesty.

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If you want honesty that's fine, then let's be honest. President Obama passed and supported DACA, and he wanted to completely reform our immigration system to make it easier for these undocumented immigrants to come into the country legally with proper documentation so none of this would happen in the first place. The reason he capitulated and agreed to greater immigration enforcement was that Republicans claimed we needed to secure our borders before we could reform our immigration policy, and he was hoping that by ramping up immigration enforcement he could get them to agree to talks on a better more full reform. He also wanted to take away the talking point used by Republicans to claim he was soft on border control. All of Obama's actions which you are attempting to criticize him for were done for the purposes of appeasing Republicans.

Of course, as we all know the Republican party has absolutely no interest in reforming our immigration policy. Their only goal is to keep as many brown people out of this county as possible because they know those Latinos won't vote for them, and because they know the Republican base is brimming with racists. They never had any intention of genuinely engaging President Obama on immigration reform no matter how many olive branches he offered them they still went around spreading lies about how President Obama wanted open borders and was letting in murderers and rapists.

By trying to claim that all of these child separation programs began under Obama you're exposing the Republican lie that he was weak on border security. In truth, he deported far more people than Bush did, and Bush himself was widely known as one of the few Republicans left in the world that supported immigration reform.

Now, the Republican party has forced themselves into a disgusting situation. Since they spent the last either years lying about President Obama's record on the border they have to make it seems like they're doing more, and are now taking an already bad program to a disgusting and ridiculously inhumane extreme just to try and prove they are tougher than Obama when in truth ICE was already pushing its luck on human rights in the first place.

Just like Republican lies about Glass Steagall, they're trying to pin their own disgustingly bad ideas on Democrats. While Democrats may have been an accomplice to these crimes they were ideas forwarded and advocated entirely by Republicans. Democrats only agreed to take part in hopes of reaching a broader compromise. The only lesson here is that Democrats need to stop compromising with Republicans and just crush the Republican party out of existence entirely.

Fishking said:

Since we are going to be running a 24/7 Trump hate-fest on issues surrounding illegal immigration it is important to not that he has only been in office for about a 1 1/2 years and the current situation, much like issues with North Korea, is a dynamic that has been in years in the making, through multiple administrations unwilling to do anything substantial to fix any of the problems until it becomes a crisis.


So here we have a report where the unaccompanied illegal immigrant children ended up going missing, and subsequently being trafficked, because the Obama administration did a poor job at vetting who they placed the children with and having nothing in place to follow up after the fact. It's on a level that qualfies as negligent.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8f6664dfa346




But the fallout happens now so the entire illegal immigration mess somehow was created just by Trump in such a short amount of time. Talk about a lack of honesty.

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It probably fell in trump's lap because he's a White Nationalist piece of **** who can't resist mentioning Mexicans without invoking MS-13, referring to them as animals, and all to the thoughtful nod of approval by his supporters.

Under Obama the issue with the children was a tragedy. Under Trump, it's a design.

To put this comparison in perspective, it's like saying that at one point Obama hit a dog with his car by accident. Trump, meanwhile, runs over dogs for a hobby. Trump supporters, in their ever-trollish fashion, then say the problem is Obama for that one time he hit a dog with his car all those years ago.

Also, the comparison to Obama is disingenuous AF. In 2014, the Obama administration dealt with a tidal wave of unaccompanied minors. They were completely overwhelmed and did their best to connect those minors with relatives. What Trump is doing is separating parents and minors at the border.

Which, as can be easily understood based on the demagoguery of the current administration, is a very easy thing to justify when you've been conditioned to think of Hispanics as animals and criminals.

Cardinal said:

It probably fell in trump's lap because he's a White Nationalist piece of **** who can't resist mentioning Mexicans without invoking MS-13, referring to them as animals, and all to the thoughtful nod of approval by his supporters.

Under Obama the issue with the children was a tragedy. Under Trump, it's a design.

To put this comparison in perspective, it's like saying that at one point Obama hit a dog with his car by accident. Trump, meanwhile, runs over dogs for a hobby. Trump supporters, in their ever-trollish fashion, then say the problem is Obama for that one time he hit a dog with his car all those years ago.

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SHHHHHHHHH!!!!

You absolutely RUIN the false narrative, false equivalency and manufactured outrage!!!

"Obama Admin Put Immigrant Childrent Into the Hands of Child Trafficers" ... and senator Dianne Feinstein wrote the law that allowed Obama to do this.

Fishking said:

Since we are going to be running a 24/7 Trump hate-fest on issues surrounding illegal immigration it is important to not that he has only been in office for about a 1 1/2 years and the current situation, much like issues with North Korea, is a dynamic that has been in years in the making, through multiple administrations unwilling to do anything substantial to fix any of the problems until it becomes a crisis.


So here we have a report where the unaccompanied illegal immigrant children ended up going missing, and subsequently being trafficked, because the Obama administration did a poor job at vetting who they placed the children with and having nothing in place to follow up after the fact. It's on a level that qualfies as negligent.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8f6664dfa346




But the fallout happens now so the entire illegal immigration mess somehow was created just by Trump in such a short amount of time. Talk about a lack of honesty.

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Judging the subsequent posts by Obama apologists, you're correct.

Yes...let's be honest.

MrWonka said:

If you want honesty that's fine, then let's be honest. President Obama passed and supported DACA, and he wanted to completely reform our immigration system to make it easier for these undocumented immigrants to come into the country legally with proper documentation so none of this would happen in the first place. The reason he capitulated and agreed to greater immigration enforcement was that Republicans claimed we needed to secure our borders before we could reform our immigration policy, and he was hoping that by ramping up immigration enforcement he could get them to agree to talks on a better more full reform. He also wanted to take away the talking point used by Republicans to claim he was soft on border control. All of Obama's actions which you are attempting to criticize him for were done for the purposes of appeasing Republicans.

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Wrong. Unless there is open borders it's going to happen regardless. More people want to come here than what we can effectively take in. Further, of course you cannot implement any changes if you don't fix the ability for more illegals to come in. You'll just be dealing with the same problem 20 years down the road again. Finally, what does this have to do with the Obama admin having kids delivered to human traffickers? Is that a requirement for stronger border security? And why are you talking about Republicans? They didn't run these agencies. Do you even know how the government is separated/divided up?

Of course, as we all know the Republican party has absolutely no interest in reforming our immigration policy. Their only goal is to keep as many brown people out of this county as possible because they know those Latinos won't vote for them, and because they know the Republican base is brimming with racists. They never had any intention of genuinely engaging President Obama on immigration reform no matter how many olive branches he offered them they still went around spreading lies about how President Obama wanted open borders and was letting in murderers and rapists.

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What does reforming the immigration system have to do with the Obama admin giving kids to human traffickers? Are you trying to imply that they did it on purpose to force immigration reform? That's gross.

By trying to claim that all of these child separation programs began under Obama you're exposing the Republican lie that he was weak on border security. In truth, he deported far more people than Bush did, and Bush himself was widely known as one of the few Republicans left in the world that supported immigration reform.

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It's not a claim, it's a fact. Further, he didn't deport more than Bush did. That's a lie that you either know is a lie or ignorantly believed from the media. Obama changed the definition of what was called a deportation, which included a bunch of people that wouldn't have been counted under Bush. The reality is that Obama deported less than Bush did for those who made it into the country. Does it hurt to be so wrong all the time?

Now, the Republican party has forced themselves into a disgusting situation. Since they spent the last either years lying about President Obama's record on the border they have to make it seems like they're doing more, and are now taking an already bad program to a disgusting and ridiculously inhumane extreme just to try and prove they are tougher than Obama when in truth ICE was already pushing its luck on human rights in the first place.

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How did the Republican party force Obama to give kids to human traffickers? Further, it's not the Republicans who encouraged illegal immigration, and therefor incentivized it, and this is how we got to this current mess. There is no human right to immigrate into another country, btw.

Just like Republican lies about Glass Steagall, they're trying to pin their own disgustingly bad ideas on Democrats. While Democrats may have been an accomplice to these crimes they were ideas forwarded and advocated entirely by Republicans. Democrats only agreed to take part in hopes of reaching a broader compromise. The only lesson here is that Democrats need to stop compromising with Republicans and just crush the Republican party out of existence entirely.

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Who signed the repeal of Glass Steagall and what does that have to do with the Obama admin giving kids to human traffickers? You seem to walk to talk about a lot of things, much of it just plain lies, but not the fact that the Obama admin gave kids to human traffickers. That's pathetic and your post is now a pile of rubble.

Cardinal said:

It probably fell in trump's lap because he's a White Nationalist piece of **** who can't resist mentioning Mexicans without invoking MS-13, referring to them as animals, and all to the thoughtful nod of approval by his supporters.

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What does Trump have to do with the Obama admin giving kids to human traffickers? Trump wasn't the President and neither did he hold any public office at the time. Also, why are you defending MS-13 again? Why do you like them so much?

Under Obama the issue with the children was a tragedy. Under Trump, it's a design.

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It's bad in both cases but, by the design of the Democrats, we've had a weak and broken system that incentivized illegal activity. They still do to this day.

To put this comparison in perspective, it's like saying that at one point Obama hit a dog with his car by accident. Trump, meanwhile, runs over dogs for a hobby. Trump supporters, in their ever-trollish fashion, then say the problem is Obama for that one time he hit a dog with his car all those years ago.

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That's a pretty dumb analogy. A better one would be that Democrats have purposefully created a situation that resulted in dogs running all over the place in the roads and people can't go about their business without hitting dogs.

What is trump doing to change this? The answer is nothing and as we can see the minions actually agree with the policy but want to blame Obama for this continuing, the BS games some people play would be laughable if it were not so sad.

Cardinal said:

Also, the comparison to Obama is disingenuous AF. In 2014, the Obama administration dealt with a tidal wave of unaccompanied minors. They were completely overwhelmed and did their best to connect those minors with relatives. What Trump is doing is separating parents and minors at the border.

Which, as can be easily understood based on the demagoguery of the current administration, is a very easy thing to justify when you've been conditioned to think of Hispanics as animals and criminals.

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How did we get to the state where we were overwhelmed with too much illegal immigration? What has not been fixed or address for years? And why are you defending MS-13 yet again?

Casper said:

What is trump doing to change this? The answer is nothing and as we can see the minions actually agree with the policy but want to blame Obama for this continuing, the BS games some people play would be laughable if it were not so sad.

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Wrong. Trump has been fighting to do the only thing to keep this from happening, and it's been an uphill battle to get it done. Securing the border and deterring people from entering illegally to begin with is the best way to keep it from happening. Otherwise you'll end up in similar situations again, with not enough resources to properly address the situation.

Of course, as has everyone else, you don't seem to be able to muster any condemnation for Obama as this was during his watch.

Fishking said:

It's bad in both cases

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Careful there, fishking, you allowed a reasonable, honest comment to slip into the rest of your garbage post by accident. .

Cardinal said:

Careful there, fishking, you allowed a reasonable, honest comment to slip into the rest of your garbage post by accident. .

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Dude...Trump sucks on many personal character areas. There are some policies that are pushed that are disgusting (e.g. separating kids from their parents) and some of the things ICE has done/does (e.g. going after a kid in a hospital). The illegal immigrants are not horrible people by any means. I probably have more in common with most of their ideology and values than the majority of liberals.

If resources where limitless I'd love to support are more open border. I object on economic grounds and, tbh, humanitarian grounds as well. We don't have the resources to take in everyone that wants to come here, which results in illegal immigration, and then the illegal status has these people being abused and exploited because they cannot speak up for themselves.

It's just bad all around to not secure the border and stop most of this from happening and also figuring out a system that catches those who overstay their visas.

Fishking said:

Wrong. Trump has been fighting to do the only thing to keep this from happening, and it's been an uphill battle to get it done. Securing the border and deterring people from entering illegally to begin with is the best way to keep it from happening. Otherwise you'll end up in similar situations again, with not enough resources to properly address the situation.

Of course, as has everyone else, you don't seem to be able to muster any condemnation for Obama as this was during his watch.

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Excuse me but trump has done Nothing to change a thing when it comes to the topic here.
As for Obama, I would have thought by my reply you could have figured out that I did not approve, my mistake, sometimes I over estimate people here.

Casper said:

Excuse me but trump has done Nothing to change a thing when it comes to the topic here.
As for Obama, I would have thought by my reply you could have figured out that I did not approve, my mistake, sometimes I over estimate people here.

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Changing anything related to the procedure for minors is not the authority of Donald Trump. Congress assumed that power and the administration has to follow that procedure if they want to enforce the law.

I don't support removing someone's hands for theft, but if that became the legal punishment and the option is either thieves lose their hands or we don't prosecute theft then we're going to be doing those wrists like Robespierre.

EMNofSeattle said:

Changing anything related to the procedure for minors is not the authority of Donald Trump. Congress assumed that power and the administration has to follow that procedure if they want to enforce the law.

I don't support removing someone's hands for theft, but if that became the legal punishment and the option is either thieves lose their hands or we don't prosecute theft then we're going to be doing those wrists like Robespierre.

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Excuses, Really? So you agree with the policy as punishment, wow.

Casper said:

Excuse me but trump has done Nothing to change a thing when it comes to the topic here.
As for Obama, I would have thought by my reply you could have figured out that I did not approve, my mistake, sometimes I over estimate people here.

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That's just not correct. He's been working to get funding to secure the border, which is the most effectively way to make sure this doesn't happen again. Illegal immigration has already dropped, just from changing policies. Strangely enough...if you don't incentivize illegal immigration like Obama and the Democrats have done, illegal immigration numbers drop.

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Excuses, Really? So you agree with the policy as punishment, wow.

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I agree with the policy of arresting illegal border crossers, arresting them requires children be taken in to custody of ORR if the children are from central america. if the procedure after then is bad it's because congress created a bad procedure and they need to fix it, but if they don't it's always better then Anarchy