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This deported Marine veteran came home the only way he could – in a casket

Dittohead not! said:
Perhaps because this non-citizen loves the USA and wanted to serve this country.
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Make all soldiers citizens or deny all non.citizens service. Problem solved.
 
ajn678 said:
I believe that you should be a citizen of the country that you are serving in the military. It really isn't that hard to understand.
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My father was not yet a citizen, and he served. He was smuggled here in the belly of a freighter from Hitler's Germany at the age of fifteen.
He wound up returning right back to the Germany he was smuggled out of and took two Nazi bullets to the neck, survived and went on to invent nuclear hardening for military and civilian electronics. Much of our nation's critical communications infrastructure will survive thanks to his research. Even Air Force One stays aloft during an EMP event thanks to the invention of nuclear hardening.

You're WELCOME.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
My father was not yet a citizen, and he served. He was smuggled here in the belly of a freighter from Hitler's Germany at the age of fifteen.
He wound up returning right back to the Germany he was smuggled out of and took two Nazi bullets to the neck, survived and went on to invent nuclear hardening for military and civilian electronics. Much of our nation's critical communications infrastructure will survive thanks to his research. Even Air Force One stays aloft during an EMP event thanks to the invention of nuclear hardening.

You're WELCOME.
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**** off with your holier than thou bull****.
 
ajn678 said:
**** off with your holier than thou bull****.
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Tough beans if you can't handle the fact that a foreigner came to this country, fought and bled and then gave it gifts that it will never be able to fully repay out of the love he had in his heart for America.

That is clearly YOUR problem, sometimes known in some parts of the military as a YP, as opposed to an MP, which would be "MY problem".
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Tough beans if you can't handle the fact that a foreigner came to this country, fought and bled and then gave it gifts that it will never be able to fully repay out of the love he had in his heart for America.

That is clearly YOUR problem, sometimes known in some parts of the military as a YP, as opposed to an MP, which would be "MY problem".
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Okay your anecdotal story has nothing to do with national policy. I have no problems with foreigners. I don't believe they should be serving in the military. Really not that radical an idea. Also your father's accomplishments don't give you the right to act like you're morally superior than others. You have no idea about me or my family history within the military.
 
ajn678 said:
Okay your anecdotal story has nothing to do with national policy. I have no problems with foreigners. I don't believe they should be serving in the military. Really not that radical an idea. Also your father's accomplishments don't give you the right to act like you're morally superior than others. You have no idea about me or my family history within the military.
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My anecdotal story has everything to do with national policy, as it was national policy that scooped him up in the first place.
He was called to duty and he answered.

You don't have problems with foreigners, you just don't believe that they should be serving in the military.
Your belief doesn't jibe with national policy.
My father's accomplishments were a direct answer to your devaluation of foreigners in the military.
You only think I sound morally superior because you don't appreciate the values of what he did, as a near mortally wounded resident alien soldier in the military.
Know WHY he was wanted by the military so badly? Because he had a demonstrated superior knowledge of signals intelligence and radio communications electronics, and could speak fluent German, both of which were things that were BADLY needed by the U.S. military while fighting IN Germany.
He had just finished a field repair of a damaged transceiver and had successfully put it back in operation when he was shot.
The Nazis knew he was a high value target because they understood the importance of knocking out the communications on the other side.

If your family weren't foreigners serving in the US military, then guess what? YOUR family history in the military is what has nothing to do with this discussion. That's because the discussion centers around the notion of foreigners serving in the US military.

If your avatar represents the Barcelona Football Club, does that mean you are currently in Spain?
 
ajn678 said:
I believe that you should be a citizen of the country that you are serving in the military. It really isn't that hard to understand.
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Your opinion is noted and duly rejected. Are you angry because these immigrants have done more for their country than you ever will?
 
ajn678 said:
You have no idea about me or my family history within the military.
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Are you going to answer my question? Are you Spanish and living IN Spain, or are you an American expat living IN Spain?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Your opinion is noted and duly rejected. Are you angry because these immigrants have done more for their country than you ever will?
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I’m not mad about anything. I think you have an issue understanding things.
 
Salas served four years' active-duty in security details in the Philippines, Thailand and Singapore. He was honorably discharged in 1992 after serving in the Persian Gulf War, his military record rife with commendations including National Defense Service Medal, Sea Service Ribbon, and Good Conduct Medal. He remained in the Marine Reserve until 1996.
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Semper Fi
 
ajn678 said:
I know the history of non citizens in the military. I think its a stupid idea. I wasn't asking the question in a field of ignorance. It was more of a question as, why do we as a nation have people that are not citizens in our military.
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Look at the Statue of Liberty sometime. Read the immortal poem of Emma Lazarus, "The New Colossus" engraved at the base of what most people see as our nation's most treasured monument. Up until the rise of Trump and white nationalism, it was an accepted fact that we are a nation of immigrants. President Reagan once gave a speech there. Here's the first few lines of that speech:

Our nation is a nation of immigrants. More than any other country, our strength comes from our own immigrant heritage and our capacity to welcome those from other lands. No free and prosperous nation can by itself accommodate all those who seek a better life or flee persecution.

My wife is an immigrant...and she is more patriotic than I am (and I'm retired Navy, remember). Most immigrants are that patriotic, because - again, until the rise of Trump and white nationalism - America was the only nation on earth where an immigrant from anywhere else could go and become not just a citizen, but a true and accepted member of that nation. The election of a black guy with a Muslim name proved that to all.

But now, Trump and all his fellow white nationalists want to make America like every other nation, wherein if you aren't part of the chosen race, the chosen ethnicity, sure, you can be a citizen, but you'll never be truly accepted by society as part of that nation...

...and it is precisely that which is and will be the saddest,most tragic legacy of Trump.

When we truly welcome immigrants - as we did up until the election of Trump - they are normally every bit as patriotic (if not more so) than you or me. I've known many, many not-yet-citizen immigrants who served with me in the Navy - and they were normally harder-working and at least as trustworthy as native-born Americans. What Trump is doing - with the eager assent of the Right - is destroying that tradition, that opportunity. And we will all be much the poorer for it.
 
ajn678 said:
I know the history of non citizens in the military. I think its a stupid idea. I wasn't asking the question in a field of ignorance. It was more of a question as, why do we as a nation have people that are not citizens in our military.
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Because in the lead up to the Iraq war there weren't enough young US citizens that could pass a physical, pscycological or HS education exam...


"....more than two-thirds of America's young people wouldn't qualify for military service because of physical, behavioral, or educational problems...

The Pentagon says 71 percent of America's 34 million 17-24 year old population would fail to qualify for enlistment. Of those eligible for service, the Army estimates only one percent even have an interest...."

Here?s why most Americans can?t join the military - Business Insider​
 
Dittohead not! said:
Perhaps because this non-citizen loves the USA and wanted to serve this country.
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How does engaging in war crimes and terrorism serve any country?
 
ajn678 said:
Given that this article and post are using a man's death to promote free travel across Mexico and the USA, let me ask a question semi related. Why is someone that is not a citizen serving in a nation's army in the first place?
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Maybe he wanted to be an American and saw that as passage.

In the Vietnam war it is estimated 60,000 American men avoided the draft. It is also estimated that 60,000 Canadians served in the US Armed forces.

I don't know why any American would object to having a 'foreigner" in the armed forces, I would have thought you'd welcome someone who loves the country enough to die for it.
 
ajn678 said:
Given that this article and post are using a man's death to promote free travel across Mexico and the USA, let me ask a question semi related. Why is someone that is not a citizen serving in a nation's army in the first place?
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Active service for a length of time should be one route to citizenship.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I'm going to let the vets take on that one. I'm sure they will have something to say about that one.
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I understand your take. You can't think of any of the myriad illegal US invasions that wasn't a war crime/terrorism.
 
Moot said:
Because in the lead up to the Iraq war there weren't enough young US citizens that could pass a physical, pscycological or HS education exam...


"....more than two-thirds of America's young people wouldn't qualify for military service because of physical, behavioral, or educational problems...

The Pentagon says 71 percent of America's 34 million 17-24 year old population would fail to qualify for enlistment. Of those eligible for service, the Army estimates only one percent even have an interest...."

Here?s why most Americans can?t join the military - Business Insider​
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Okay, this is complete bull****. We didn't have shortage of soldiers during the Iraq War. Do you ever stop making things up?
 
ajn678 said:
Okay, this is complete bull****. We didn't have shortage of soldiers during the Iraq War. Do you ever stop making things up?
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The post was by whom again?
 
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