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A Huge Caravan Of Central Americans Is Headed For The US, And No One In Mexico Dares To Stop Them

calamity said:
Just give them an Einstein visa like Melania's.


Oh wait, that's only for white people.
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Is that really the only thing that you can come up with to "support" your argument? Claims of racism. Really shows just how much of a failure you are at arguing this topic.
 
Well...at least they won't have a wall to worry about...much to the relief of the open borders left.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Is that really the only thing that you can come up with to "support" your argument? Claims of racism. Really shows just how much of a failure you are at arguing this topic.
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Serious question: would Fox be freaking out if this was a marching band from Norway?
 
calamity said:
Serious question: would Fox be freaking out if this was a marching band from Norway?
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1: Is Fox freaking out? No idea considering I don't watch Fox.

2: Pretty sure that no marching band is going to be attempting to use numbers to force their way into a country. Not to mention I've never seen a marching band that is 1200+ strong.

3: Even assuming that your hyperbolic example were to be true, I would be wanting the government to stop them also. I have no problem with legal immigration no matter where the person is coming from. I do have a problem with illegal immigration. And no, it doesn't matter where they're from either. You will find that all of my posting history on legal vs illegal immigration will show that for the entire time I have been at DP.
 
Kal'Stang said:
1: Is Fox freaking out? No idea considering I don't watch Fox.

2: Pretty sure that no marching band is going to be attempting to use numbers to force their way into a country. Not to mention I've never seen a marching band that is 1200+ strong.

3: Even assuming that your hyperbolic example were to be true, I would be wanting the government to stop them also. I have no problem with legal immigration no matter where the person is coming from. I do have a problem with illegal immigration. And no, it doesn't matter where they're from either. You will find that all of my posting history on legal vs illegal immigration will show that for the entire time I have been at DP.
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Upon what do you base them "forcing their way into our country"?

Have they claimed this? Or threatened this? To act illegally, or violently?
 
Excon said:
A Huge Caravan Of Central Americans Is Headed For The US, And No One In Mexico Dares To Stop Them


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For five days now hundreds of Central Americans — children, women, and men, most of them from Honduras — have boldly crossed immigration checkpoints, military bases, and police in a desperate, sometimes chaotic march toward the United States. Despite their being in Mexico without authorization, no one has made any effort to stop them.

Organized by a group of volunteers called Pueblos Sin Fronteras, or People Without Borders, the caravan is intended to help migrants safely reach the United States, bypassing not only authorities who would seek to deport them, but gangs and cartels who are known to assault vulnerable migrants.

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A Huge Caravan Of Central Americans Is Headed For The US, And No One In Mexico Dares To Stop Them
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1,200 illegal Central American migrants march towards the US | Link title

'If we all protect each other we'll get through this together':
Army of more than 1,000 Central Americans fleeing violence and unrest march unchallenged through Mexico towards the US border

  • 1,200 migrants from Central America headed on foot to the US on Sunday
  • 80 per cent of the migrants hail from Honduras, where there has been political unrest and gang activity
  • The trek is organized by Pueblos Sin Fronteras, meaning People Without Borders
  • Migrants sleep on the floor of town plazas, eat charity meals by local churches, and ride on the top of dangerous freight trains during the month-long trip
  • The group is currently trekking through Mexico

An army of a thousand migrants from Central America are marching through Mexico to the US where they hope to get in by any means - legal or not.

The massive flood of migrants hail mostly from Honduras, where the country has become rife with gang violence and political unrest.

The journey began on Sunday March 25 when 1,200 men, women and children gathered together to cross immigration checkpoints with a organization called Pueblos Sin Fronteras, meaning People Without Borders, according to BuzzFeed News.

And the number is only growing as migrants walk to the border in 90-degree heat, sleep on the floor of town plazas, and get by on charity meals by locals and churches.

So far no one in Mexico has tried to stop them.

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1,200 illegal Central American migrants march towards the US | Daily Mail Online


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This is an outright invasion and should be met with military force.
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Instead, it will be met with bottled water and supplies and a lift to the welfare office.
 
Chomsky said:
I didn't see any specific demands there. Nor threats. Nor have I seen any illegal actions against the United States.
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Here, let me bold it for you since you apparently either skimmed the article and ignored my quote or you are refusing to see it.

From Mexico and the United States, the migrants are demanding open borders and asylum access, an end to deportations which destroy families, not terminate vital migrant programs such as the Temporary Protected Status, TPS, which has given access to people fleeing violence in Central American countries to the United States.
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Can you see it now?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador...
Their fathers and grandfathers served Reagan's CIA installed right wing death squads.
Then when they were no longer needed, they went to work for the coke cartels.
The gang violence that stemmed from that is a direct result of CIA policy in the region during the Reagan era.
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All Reagan's fault, huhh? That is far to simplistic.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Not bad at the race baiting hyperbole there Glen.

How do YOU suggest that we deal with them when they reach our border? Just let them cross and remain undocumented and unvetted? Pretty sure that local ICE, even with local LEO support are not going to be able to handle that many people at once.
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Who said anything about letting them in? They simply can't get in as a group - the Border Patrol has plans in place for reacting to riots or mass demonstrations, and they'll use that training to stop them from coming over as a group. No need to go running around like Chicken Little crying about the sky falling. What's much more likely - if they really want to succeed - is to split up once they get close to the border and make their ways to whatever tunnels may or may not be available, or onto other forms of transportation.

Thing is, this will be hard for them to do since the press has already seen them and reported them - you know, that "fake news" press that y'all claim can't be trusted in anything they say? Oh, wait - I forgot - if they say something y'all wanted to hear, well, ha-rumph, then it must be true!

But the last thing we should do is spread panic and alarm...which is what the Right is already doing. Or haven't you noticed the word "invasion" being bandied about? Though for some reason I just can't force myself to call a group of 1,200 migrants an "invasion".

One last thing - my post wasn't "hyperbole". It was sarcasm. And besides, the references to "buy more guns" and "build the wall" aren't really hyperbole at all - if I were a betting man, I'd wager quite a bit that it would be child's play to find a few right-wing sites pushing either or both using this "invasion" as their latest excuse.
 
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Barnacle said:
The info on the size of that group is rather murky: somewhere between 1,200 and 6,000 people, depending on whose article you read.
But one thing is clear from all articles - it is a well-organized bunch.

"... The group is planning to organize workshops between April 5 and 9 in the city of Puebla, Mexico, to help address legal issues or queries of the migrants as they embark on the journey.

... From Mexico and the United States, the migrants are demanding open borders and asylum access, an end to deportations which destroy families, not terminate vital migrant programs such as the Temporary Protected Status, TPS, which has given access to people fleeing violence in Central American countries to the United States. ..."

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/n...xico-US-for-Dignity-Asylum-20180326-0006.html


I like the term "migrants" in that article ... :lol:
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I don't, criminal, illegal invaders is accurate. The left loves co-opting words, don't abide it.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Here, let me bold it for you since you apparently either skimmed the article and ignored my quote or you are refusing to see it.



Can you see it now?
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Oh don't patronize me. They're demanding policy change. We all know that.

But what have they said, done, or demanded, that leads you & others in this thread to believe they are physically crashing the border?
 
Excon said:
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I'm pretty liberal, yet I don't think people should be allowed to completely ignore another country's law. I'm all for perhaps softening the current regulation and making it easier for hardworking immigrants to legally enter this country. Maybe they could receive a temporary stay permit and, if they can prove they hold a job, they will be permitted to stay. Or if they are refugees from a war-torn country, they could have a "refugee" permit like we do here in Switzerland. We give out far less refugee permits and we tend to give them selectively.

The United States is a wealthy state and it can afford to house some people who suffer from terrible political conditions in their respective countries. However, in order to ensure the economical and political viability of the country, we have to understand and control who crosses our borders.

All immigrants must meet at least these two criteria :

1) they will contribute to the country's economy
2) the situation in their respective countries was life threatening

If so, then by all means, let them in.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Who said anything about letting them in? They simply can't get in as a group - the Border Patrol has plans in place for reacting to riots or mass demonstrations, and they'll use that training to stop them from coming over as a group. No need to go running around like Chicken Little crying about the sky falling. What's much more likely - if they really want to succeed - is to split up once they get close to the border and make their ways to whatever tunnels may or may not be available, or onto other forms of transportation.

Thing is, this will be hard for them to do since the press has already seen them and reported them - you know, that "fake news" press that y'all claim can't be trusted in anything they say? Oh, wait - I forgot - if they say something y'all wanted to hear, well, ha-rumph, then it must be true!

But the last thing we should do is spread panic and alarm...which is what the Right is already doing. Or haven't you noticed the word "invasion" being bandied about? Though for some reason I just can't force myself to call a group of 1,200 migrants an "invasion".

One last thing - my post wasn't "hyperbole". It was satire. And besides, the references to "buy more guns" and "build the wall" aren't really hyperbole at all - if I were a betting man, I'd wager quite a bit that it would be child's play to find a few right-wing sites pushing either or both using this "invasion" as their latest excuse.
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Trump & his media are trying to score brownie points off a demonstration, is what they're doing.

A million American women demonstrate against Trump to nary a whisper, but 1200 Central Americans demonstrate in Mexico and Trump bases policy off it, while his supporters call for military intervention! :doh
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Do you think they wont? What, pray tell do you think will stop them?
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Yes, the mightiest nation in human history surely has a great deal to fear from the imminent invasion by 1,200 assorted farmers and laborers. In other words, your reaction is a wonderful example of just how easy it is for right-wingers to buy into the fear and alarm.

A wise man once said, "All we have to fear, is fear itself." Those were wise words. It would do you wonders to learn exactly why the only thing to fear is fear itself...because the fear you evinced in your comment - "What, pray tell do you think will stop them?" - shows that your fear has overcome your rationality.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Yes, the mightiest nation in human history surely has a great deal to fear from the imminent invasion by 1,200 assorted farmers and laborers. In other words, your reaction is a wonderful example of just how easy it is for right-wingers to buy into the fear and alarm.

A wise man once said, "All we have to fear, is fear itself." Those were wise words. It would do you wonders to learn exactly why the only thing to fear is fear itself...because the fear you evinced in your comment - "What, pray tell do you think will stop them?" - shows that your fear has overcome your rationality.
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You cant see the forest for the trees (and your hyperbole). This is not about 1,200 (whose occupations you pretend to know, BTW) It is about a big middle finger to US immigration policy and establishing a precedent.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Do you think they wont? What, pray tell do you think will stop them?
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I have yet to hear them claim they are entering the States, have you? What makes you claim they need "stopping"?

I haven't seen them indicate this is anything more than a demonstration against Trump's policies. But it's surely nothing that should cause Trump to determine policy from it, like what he did today in calling DACA off. If that was the case with 1200 non-Americans in Mexico, then 1,000,000 American women demonstration in Washington should have caused policy changes bigger than the Constitution itself!
 
Cisero said:
I'm pretty liberal, yet I don't think people should be allowed to completely ignore another country's law. I'm all for perhaps softening the current regulation and making it easier for hardworking immigrants to legally enter this country. Maybe they could receive a temporary stay permit and, if they can prove they hold a job, they will be permitted to stay. Or if they are refugees from a war-torn country, they could have a "refugee" permit like we do here in Switzerland. We give out far less refugee permits and we tend to give them selectively.

The United States is a wealthy state and it can afford to house some people who suffer from terrible political conditions in their respective countries. However, in order to ensure the economical and political viability of the country, we have to understand and control who crosses our borders.

All immigrants must meet at least these two criteria :

1) they will contribute to the country's economy
2) the situation in their respective countries was life threatening

If so, then by all means, let them in.
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Most people in the world would meet the first qualification. That's why our nation has done so well by welcoming "the tired, the poor, the wretched refuse" who bring an entrepreneurial mindset that most native-born Americans have forgotten. They come here and the great majority of them bust their butts to make a living (and pay taxes while they do so).

I remember a story about two shipping magnates. One complained bitterly about how lazy the Greeks were in his shipyard in Athens. The other shipping magnate looked at him and said that the Greeks on his ships and in his shipyards in England were among his hardest-working people. The point is, take someone out of their comfort zone and they will strive harder. I've got a brother-in-law who was a lazy no-goodnik in his home country...but since he came here, he hasn't drawn a single unemployment or welfare check, has held down a full-time job ever since he could legally work, and recently got a promotion. He's a prime example of the tired, poor, wretched refuse who help make this nation great. Oh, and his oldest son is graduating with a degree in immunology from an Ivy League school this May.

In other words, immigrants are by and large of great benefit to America...and so are most of the illegal ones. Why? They're just as human and want the same things as the legal migrants - the opportunity to live quietly, safely, and have a chance to see their children succeed in life. I'm not for a moment saying we should let all illegal immigrants in...but the Trump administration's policy of ripping families apart by deporting parents who have (other than their illegal status) have led exemplary lives here in America is doing great long-term damage to our national fabric, and will cost us far more in the long run than it could possibly save (if only because of the costs of the social workers and the Foster care for the American citizen children or spouse left behind).
 
I really don't see the problem. The National Guard needs some practice - have a callup of the state(s) affected, deploy infantry, field artillery, and armored regiments (with aviation assets) - and if they try to cross..."kaboom".
 
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