• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Deporting wives of active military

Dittohead not!

master political analyst
DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 3, 2009
Messages
52,009
Reaction score
33,943
Location
The Golden State
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
More military families come forward with deportation fears


T
The day after the first family stepped forward, more followed.
In the wake of a Military Times story published Feb. 28 about a retired soldier’s wife who was facing deportation under the latest Department of Homeland Security policies, others from the military community reached out with similar stories of fear and uncertainty regarding immigration rules.





Your opinion? Should the spouses of undocumented aliens serving in the military be exempted from deportation?
 
More military families come forward with deportation fears


[FONT=&]T[/FONT]

Your opinion? Should the spouses of undocumented aliens serving in the military be exempted from deportation?
If they are married and the one serving is a Citizen then they are here Legally, same reason many mail order brides marry Americans, to have the possibility of getting their Citizenship.
The steps are outlined below, if one is following them they have little to be worried about.
https://www.araglegal.com/individua...america/marrying-someone-from-another-country
 
It's interesting we let illegal immigrants in the military. I think they ought to hold off deportation until their service is up.
 
It's interesting we let illegal immigrants in the military. I think they ought to hold off deportation until their service is up.

It does look odd, doesn't it? I wonder what these guys put down as their home of record? We've always had non citizens in the military. Maybe they just don't ask about their legal status.
 
If they are married and the one serving is a Citizen then they are here Legally, same reason many mail order brides marry Americans, to have the possibility of getting their Citizenship.
The steps are outlined below, if one is following them they have little to be worried about.
https://www.araglegal.com/individua...america/marrying-someone-from-another-country

They have a possibility, if the spouse is a citizen (not a green card holder as some think, a citizen.)
Problem is (1) it isn't simple, and (2) if the spouse is also undocumented, the marriage doesn't help with deportation.
 
More military families come forward with deportation fears


[FONT=&]T[/FONT]

Your opinion? Should the spouses of undocumented aliens serving in the military be exempted from deportation?

1. How does an illegal alien manage to enter the military. If I remember correctly, one has to either be a citizen or a green card holder to enlist.

2. The article is rather confusing, but I perceive that the main point is that the illegal alien facing deportation is not the current or former service member, but their illegal alien spouse.

A couple other comments:

1. I don't know how it is nowadays, but it used to be if an active service member wanted to marry a non-citizen, they had to get permission first. Lots of red tape involved. My own brother went through that back in the 60's.

2. If someone is out of the military...retired or discharged...and then marries an illegal alien, the military has no involvement unless, of course, there is the issue of a military ID. I don't see how an illegal alien could get a military ID.

So...bottom line: I don't see any difference between a former service member having to deal with their illegal alien spouse's immigration troubles and any other citizen going through the same thing.

My opinion? No special treatment.
 
Military service is one of the few things I'd make allowances for, regardless of immigration status.

It arguably exhibits a willingness to make great sacrifices for one's new homeland.
 
1. How does an illegal alien manage to enter the military. If I remember correctly, one has to either be a citizen or a green card holder to enlist.

Don't ask, don't tell.

2. The article is rather confusing, but I perceive that the main point is that the illegal alien facing deportation is not the current or former service member, but their illegal alien spouse.

That is correct.
A couple other comments:

1. I don't know how it is nowadays, but it used to be if an active service member wanted to marry a non-citizen, they had to get permission first. Lots of red tape involved. My own brother went through that back in the 60's.

but if they're already married, that's no barrier to enlisting.

2. If someone is out of the military...retired or discharged...and then marries an illegal alien, the military has no involvement unless, of course, there is the issue of a military ID. I don't see how an illegal alien could get a military ID.

Correct.
So...bottom line: I don't see any difference between a former service member having to deal with their illegal alien spouse's immigration troubles and any other citizen going through the same thing.

My opinion? No special treatment.

OK. How about an active military? Does a willingness to fight for one's adopted country mean anything?
 
Don't ask, don't tell.



That is correct.


but if they're already married, that's no barrier to enlisting.



Correct.


OK. How about an active military? Does a willingness to fight for one's adopted country mean anything?

If a person is already married to an illegal alien, I think that would cause problems when that person wants to enlist...especially if they need any kind of security clearance. For sure, that illegal alien spouse would find it impossible to get a military ID card.

Willingness to fight does not excuse a willingness to break the law or to aid another in breaking the law. Is a service member is married to an illegal alien while on active duty, that person should feel lucky if they are just run out of the military. They could be put in jail.
 
It's interesting we let illegal immigrants in the military. I think they ought to hold off deportation until their service is up.

We don't.

"A non-citizen can enlist in the military. However, federal law prohibits non-citizens from becoming commission or warrant officers. In order for a non-citizen to enlist in the military, he/she must first be a legal immigrant (with a green card), permanently residing in the United States."
 
If a person is already married to an illegal alien, I think that would cause problems when that person wants to enlist...especially if they need any kind of security clearance. For sure, that illegal alien spouse would find it impossible to get a military ID card.

Willingness to fight does not excuse a willingness to break the law or to aid another in breaking the law. Is a service member is married to an illegal alien while on active duty, that person should feel lucky if they are just run out of the military. They could be put in jail.

So, you would not only deport the illegal wife, but give the husband a dishonorable discharge.
 
They have a possibility, if the spouse is a citizen (not a green card holder as some think, a citizen.)
Problem is (1) it isn't simple, and (2) if the spouse is also undocumented, the marriage doesn't help with deportation.

The marriage also doesn’t help with deportation if they entered the US without a visa. They still have to leave the US and apply for a green card through an embassy or consulate. If, however, they entered the US legally but just overstayed their visa and then married a US citizen they don’t have to leave the US while waiting for the paperwork to clear.
 
The marriage also doesn’t help with deportation if they entered the US without a visa. They still have to leave the US and apply for a green card through an embassy or consulate. If, however, they entered the US legally but just overstayed their visa and then married a US citizen they don’t have to leave the US while waiting for the paperwork to clear.

So, the meme of the illegal alien who wants to marry a US citizen in order to avoid deportation is not based on reality.

I suspected as much all along.
 
So, you would not only deport the illegal wife, but give the husband a dishonorable discharge.

What would you do to a service member who helped another person to commit a crime? Say...beating their children? Or embezzling money?

Do you think that service member should remain in the military? Would you not put them in jail?
 
What would you do to a service member who helped another person to commit a crime? Say...beating their children? Or embezzling money?

Do you think that service member should remain in the military? Would you not put them in jail?

The service member did not help anyone commit a crime. The service member might have married someone who had committed a crime, or someone whose parents committed a crime and brought them to the US illegally. Either way, crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a minor crime at best, nothing worse than the crime millions of Americans commit every day when they get on the freeway and exceed the speed limit.
 
The service member did not help anyone commit a crime. The service member might have married someone who had committed a crime, or someone whose parents committed a crime and brought them to the US illegally. Either way, crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a minor crime at best, nothing worse than the crime millions of Americans commit every day when they get on the freeway and exceed the speed limit.

I think that's your opinion. The military might have a different opinion based on their law.
 
My question is, if kneeling during the national anthem is unacceptable because it direspects our troops...

... what the **** is this ****? What the **** do you even call it, and how the **** does Cadet Bone Spurs even get off telling anyone to "support the troops" while this happens under his watch?

Traitors and pigs. Every goddamned last one of them.
 
More military families come forward with deportation fears


[FONT=&]T[/FONT]

Your opinion? Should the spouses of undocumented aliens serving in the military be exempted from deportation?

No, of course they should not be deported. Our military officers are bravely serving for us and their family's immigration status should be exempt. The majority of our military are good citizens and their spouses and children are benefits to our country.
 
No, of course they should not be deported. Our military officers are bravely serving for us and their family's immigration status should be exempt. The majority of our military are good citizens and their spouses and children are benefits to our country.

Absolutely. I guess I didn't realize that a married spouse could be deported. I thought marriage was a "link" that allowed the spouse to remain and apply for citizenship. Did that change? Or, did I just never understand it correctly?
 
Absolutely. I guess I didn't realize that a married spouse could be deported. I thought marriage was a "link" that allowed the spouse to remain and apply for citizenship. Did that change? Or, did I just never understand it correctly?

There are many conditions that have to be met before the spouse of an American citizen is allowed to stay here.

For one, the foreign national has to have come to the US on a visa, and visas aren't easy to get. I have a nephew, for example, who fell in love with a girl from Australia. The US would not give her a visa to come to the USA, so he now lives in Australia. Apparently, their immigration laws are more liberal than are those of the USA.

So, now my sister will need a passport to visit her grandchildren and they, in her words, will "talk funny."
 
I think that's your opinion. The military might have a different opinion based on their law.

In my 20 years,I never saw a single service member punished just because their spouse broke a law. The only ramification I ever saw from service members being married to immigrants, legal or otherwise, were issues in getting security clearances. But most enlisted positions in the military don’t require security clearances anyway.
 
Military service is one of the few things I'd make allowances for, regardless of immigration status.

It arguably exhibits a willingness to make great sacrifices for one's new homeland.


With all respect I wonder about that, (purely debatable purposes)

1) Are they actually joining, for what you are stating. "willingness to make great sacrifices for one's new homeland"
2) Its been stated that Gangs use military training as initiations.
3) Its been stated that terrorist groups use military as training for members
4) Are they joining the military with the mentioned reason or is it. to GAIN points in the event that they are deported or in the process and can say I served for X amount of years.

To what the other member stated

https://www.usa.gov/join-military

How are undocumented aliens getting into the military? Does that mean they are also violating laws with forged documents?


Join the Military
Requirements for Joining the U.S. Military
To join the enlisted ranks, in general you must:

Be a U.S. citizen or Green Card holder
Non-citizens must speak, read, and write English fluently.
Non-citizens must currently live in the U.S.

To be a green card holder you must be documented with a VISA as well as applied for adjustment of status?

How are undocumented aliens joining? With that, the US military is paid for by US citizens/US Tax payers, So that means an undocumented alien now receives benefits like BAH, COLA, paycheck, PX privileges, housing and food on Tax payer dollars?

This is legal?
 
Back
Top Bottom