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Trump negotiating great deal on immigration

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atheist4thecaus

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The deal: https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/politics/white-house-immigration-framework/index.html

Trump has offered to give a path to citizenship for the 700,000 DACA recipients as well others that qualify and didn't register, for a total of 1.8M people. In return, he will get $25B for the wall and technology to support the wall, more money for border patrol personnel, a switch to merit-based immigration, an end to chain migration beyond spouses and minor children, and an end to legal loopholes that will allow the USA to deport illegal immigrants from countries that do not border the USA.

This bill is expected to pass the Senate, a similar bill is expected to pass the House, and then a conference will be needed to mesh the two bills together, according to CNN. Because this is built into a budget bill, Congress needs 60% approval instead of the normal majority approval.
 
atheist4thecaus said:
The deal: https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/politics/white-house-immigration-framework/index.html

Trump has offered to give a path to citizenship for the 700,000 DACA recipients as well others that qualify and didn't register, for a total of 1.8M people. In return, he will get $25B for the wall and technology to support the wall, more money for border patrol personnel, a switch to merit-based immigration, an end to chain migration beyond spouses and minor children, and an end to legal loopholes that will allow the USA to deport illegal immigrants from countries that do not border the USA.

This bill is expected to pass the Senate, a similar bill is expected to pass the House, and then a conference will be needed to mesh the two bills together, according to CNN. Because this is built into a budget bill, Congress needs 60% approval instead of the normal majority approval.
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Interesting. I wonder what the negatives will be? Other than that it is being negotiated by republicans.
 
atheist4thecaus said:
The deal: https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/politics/white-house-immigration-framework/index.html

Trump has offered to give a path to citizenship for the 700,000 DACA recipients as well others that qualify and didn't register, for a total of 1.8M people. In return, he will get $25B for the wall and technology to support the wall, more money for border patrol personnel, a switch to merit-based immigration, an end to chain migration beyond spouses and minor children, and an end to legal loopholes that will allow the USA to deport illegal immigrants from countries that do not border the USA.

This bill is expected to pass the Senate, a similar bill is expected to pass the House, and then a conference will be needed to mesh the two bills together, according to CNN. Because this is built into a budget bill, Congress needs 60% approval instead of the normal majority approval.
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This seems like a fair compromise.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
This seems like a fair compromise.
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A compromise is only good if both sides uphold their end of the deal.

1.Is there anything in there that prevents another president from issuing his own DACA,DAPA or anything else that lets illegals stay in the country? Because will be in this mess again if we get another Obama, Bush, Reagan or some other piece of **** who kisses the asses of illegals.

2.Is there anything in there that specifies how much funding and prevents the removal of that funding for the wall, border guards and any other enforcement measures? Because saying we'll do this,this and that is all great and stuff but it means nothing without funding and means nothing if that funding can be yanked.

3.Is there anything that prevents the president's appointees to various government positions from undermining those laws? Because none of that stuff means anything if a president can appoint illegal alien ass kissers to undermine our immigration laws. Because I don't want someone who sympathizes with illegals in charge of ICE undermining our laws.

4.Is there anything in this bill that actually makes sure the wall gets built and gets built right? Because I remember that Bush signed a fence into law and it was never complete. Plus some of those fences that are on the border now are job anyone can climb those fences without much effort.

I don't trust our politicians to uphold the enforcement measures. We had Reagan amnesty and 30 years later we have 11 to 20 million illegals in the country, token enforcement and people who are here illegal blatantly advertising the fact there are here illegally and not getting deported or at least checked to see if they are here legally.
 
atheist4thecaus said:
The deal: https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/politics/white-house-immigration-framework/index.html

Trump has offered to give a path to citizenship for the 700,000 DACA recipients as well others that qualify and didn't register, for a total of 1.8M people. In return, he will get $25B for the wall and technology to support the wall, more money for border patrol personnel, a switch to merit-based immigration, an end to chain migration beyond spouses and minor children, and an end to legal loopholes that will allow the USA to deport illegal immigrants from countries that do not border the USA.

This bill is expected to pass the Senate, a similar bill is expected to pass the House, and then a conference will be needed to mesh the two bills together, according to CNN. Because this is built into a budget bill, Congress needs 60% approval instead of the normal majority approval.
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If I wasn't paying attention to the illegal immigration issue and didn't know about the Regan amnesty and other small amnesties since then I would be one of those morons who support the bill.
 
Can anyone explain why legal immigration is now an issue?
 
MrPeanut said:
Can anyone explain why legal immigration is now an issue?
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Because Trump and his cronies hate anyone who is not white.
Making America White Again.
 
SMTA said:
Because Trump and his cronies hate anyone who is not white.
Making America White Again.
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Mhm. Unless you can appeal to the simple minded emotional morons who believe this has anything to do with race. Then it is better to completely flip your stance (because who cares if it negatively impacts your low class low skill AND union based workers...they are too stupid to vote any other way than democrat when it comes to their well being).


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blackjack50 said:




Mhm. Unless you can appeal to the simple minded emotional morons who believe this has anything to do with race. Then it is better to completely flip your stance (because who cares if it negatively impacts your low class low skill AND union based workers...they are too stupid to vote any other way than democrat when it comes to their well being).


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Those links you posted go nowhere.
 
MrPeanut said:
Can anyone explain why legal immigration is now an issue?
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Its been a issue for a long time. You just haven't been paying attention. It was a issue with Bill Clinton. It was an issue when George Bush, John McCain and Ted Kennedy tried to pass amnesty under the guise of immigration reform compromise. It was an issue when Obama was trying to pass immigration reform. Its a issue now with DACA.
 
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atheist4thecaus said:
The deal: https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/politics/white-house-immigration-framework/index.html

Trump has offered to give a path to citizenship for the 700,000 DACA recipients as well others that qualify and didn't register, for a total of 1.8M people. In return, he will get $25B for the wall and technology to support the wall, more money for border patrol personnel, a switch to merit-based immigration, an end to chain migration beyond spouses and minor children, and an end to legal loopholes that will allow the USA to deport illegal immigrants from countries that do not border the USA.

This bill is expected to pass the Senate, a similar bill is expected to pass the House, and then a conference will be needed to mesh the two bills together, according to CNN. Because this is built into a budget bill, Congress needs 60% approval instead of the normal majority approval.
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Sounds good to me.
 
jamesrage said:
A compromise is only good if both sides uphold their end of the deal.

1.Is there anything in there that prevents another president from issuing his own DACA,DAPA or anything else that lets illegals stay in the country? Because will be in this mess again if we get another Obama, Bush, Reagan or some other piece of **** who kisses the asses of illegals.

2.Is there anything in there that specifies how much funding and prevents the removal of that funding for the wall, border guards and any other enforcement measures? Because saying we'll do this,this and that is all great and stuff but it means nothing without funding and means nothing if that funding can be yanked.

3.Is there anything that prevents the president's appointees to various government positions from undermining those laws? Because none of that stuff means anything if a president can appoint illegal alien ass kissers to undermine our immigration laws. Because I don't want someone who sympathizes with illegals in charge of ICE undermining our laws.

4.Is there anything in this bill that actually makes sure the wall gets built and gets built right? Because I remember that Bush signed a fence into law and it was never complete. Plus some of those fences that are on the border now are job anyone can climb those fences without much effort.

I don't trust our politicians to uphold the enforcement measures. We had Reagan amnesty and 30 years later we have 11 to 20 million illegals in the country, token enforcement and people who are here illegal blatantly advertising the fact there are here illegally and not getting deported or at least checked to see if they are here legally.
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Is there anything in any bill that does all that?
 
MrPeanut said:
Can anyone explain why legal immigration is now an issue?
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The problem with legal immigration is the sneaky underhanded people who use loopholes in our law to circumvent our immigration policy.

Then you have the failure by our government in doing their job and securing our border and removing people here illegally. Even people being released from jails and prison are put back on the streets even though the federal government was notified of their illegal status and criminal conviction.

Then there is the businesses and people who exploit these people in order to get around paying taxes, paying minimum wage, provide a safe working conditions, and provide benefits such as workman's compensation and unemployment.

The biggest problem I have with illegal/legal immigration is the undermining of our labor rates taking the away the American Dream from millions of hard working people.
 
SMTA said:
Because Trump and his cronies hate anyone who is not white.
Making America White Again.
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A very small percent of legal immigrants are from white countries. Look at the data below for 2015 and 2016. It is brown, yellow and black. White does not make the top ten.

Country 2015 2016
1. Mexico 158,619 174,534
2. China 74,558 81,772
3. Cuba 54,396 66,516
4. India 64,116 64,687
5. Dominican Rep. 50,610 61,161
6. Philippines 56,478 53,287
7. Vietnam 30,832 41,451
8. Haiti 16,967 23,584
9. El Salvador 19,487 23,449
10. Jamaica 17,642 23,350
Total 1,051,031 1,183,505

One part of immigration reform that is not discussed is assimilation. The reason the Trump administration wishes to cut back is to give time for assimilation. Immigration was stopped from 1924-1965, because we had so many new people, there was not enough time for assimilation. People stayed in ethic pockets. This 40 years of pause was enough time for the immigrants to have children, who then become Americanized, and more comfortable spreading out to find opportunities.

If we add over 1 million immigrants per year and there are 11,000,000 illegals, we have assimilation problems. This was made worse by the Democrats making it easier not to assimilate, such as with schools taught in 100 languages. English may be made part of a future immigration package so people who wish to immigrate, have time to master the language before applying.

The advantage of this is English gives immigrants the key to the city. If you can speak English, you can move anywhere in the USA and fit in, thereby maximizing the American dream. If you only know a foreign language, your opportunities become limited to pockets of similar speakers. This can result in ghettos and ethnic crime with no easy way to move to safer ground, due to a language barrier. Diversity training was segregation training, in line with historical democrat party principles. Diversity is a way to trick immigrants into segregating themselves into ethnic ghettos. Teaching English is taboo to the left since the immigrants can now leave the ghetto and find their dream, anywhere it may appear.
 
holbritter said:
Is there anything in any bill that does all that?
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Most likely not. So if this bill passes we will be in this mess again a couple presidents later or even sooner than that. We'll have two to three times as many illegals and the anti-Americans will try to push for another so called immigration reform.
 
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