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Deportation Hysteria

JasperL said:
Bored arguing with people who don't have anything to say but stupid, baseless stereotypes and ad hominem attacks.....
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Yes, I am. thanks for asking.


It's pretty sad how you and your ilk throw **** then whine when I'm not nice in return. if you don't want some, don't start none. simple as that. :pimpdaddy:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Yes, I am. thanks for asking.

It's pretty sad how you and your ilk throw **** then whine when I'm not nice in return. if you don't want some, don't start none. simple as that. :pimpdaddy:
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:yawn:

I'm sorry, were you saying something?
 
JasperL said:
Can you tell us why it should matter? He was a permanent legal resident. Now you're moving the bar to "citizen" for some reason.
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The reason should be obvious - citizens don't get deported.
 
calamity said:
Like I said above, this is all new to me. I always considered legal immigrants to be...well, legal. So, barring some sort of felony like drug trafficking, robbery, murder, etc., they simply get fined and sent along their way like the rest of us. I'm not sure I want to deport every legal immigrant who ever drove drunk or kicked his dog.
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It's new to me, too, but I'd deport someone who kicked his dog, citizen or not, before a drunk driver, I'm thinking.

NOLO says there are a lot of crimes that can get a legal immigrant deported, which makes me think it's important for all legal immigrants to take the necessary step to become citizens asap.

Maybe it was the DWI charge. This is what NOLO says:

"Crimes of moral turpitude" are not well defined in U.S. immigration law. However, the Department of State has provided guidance, noting that the most common elements of a moral turpitude crime will include "fraud, larceny, and intent to harm persons or things." Crimes involving dishonesty and theft will almost always be considered crimes of moral turpitude. Other examples would be assault with the intent to rob or kill, spousal abuse, and aggravated driving under the influence ("DUI" or "DWI").
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https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/crimes-that-will-make-immigrant-deportable.html

The guy is no stranger to the justice system, that much is sure, but deportation seems like a big step to me. Someone had to have turned him in to ICE, so he might have enemies somewhere. Maybe his ex arranged it -- small towns and all.
 
calamity said:
Ok, I get deporting drug dealers and illegals. And, even if I don't agree with all of it, I can even understand why you'd want to deport illegal alien parents of American citizens or those brought here illegally as kids by parents. As barbaric as that is, at least it makes some sort of sense. Sort of.

But this?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i...0-years/ar-AAv0xFp?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

This makes no freaking sense. We're deporting a legal immigrant doctor because he screwed up over 25 years ago? And, making it worse, his screw up was a not even a felony, just a misdemeanor or two. Seriously?

Has this country gone crazy?
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Yes, this country has gone crazy.

Crazy intolerant, crazy hateful, crazy belligerent, crazily in love with mass incarceration and torture.

The planet is over-populated.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
it's more general, you and your ilk, didn't care about these deportations until you thought you could blame it on trump. The point is to show these anti-trump hit threads really have to do with obama policies. The left wing tactic of dismissing everything showing your hypocrisy as "whataboutisms" is weak sauce that you all will soon forget the next time a democrat wins the white house, then that's all you'll be about.
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Wrong. Obama was criticized for it. I never supported many of his actions, but he didn't brand himself on such brazen immigration laws. The right wing didn't fairly praise him either. If it's going to a guy like Trump for us to question the laws and attitudes towards immigrants, because it appears some of them are legally here, so be it.
 
calamity said:
Ok, I get deporting drug dealers and illegals. And, even if I don't agree with all of it, I can even understand why you'd want to deport illegal alien parents of American citizens or those brought here illegally as kids by parents. As barbaric as that is, at least it makes some sort of sense. Sort of.

But this?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i...0-years/ar-AAv0xFp?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

This makes no freaking sense. We're deporting a legal immigrant doctor because he screwed up over 25 years ago? And, making it worse, his screw up was a not even a felony, just a misdemeanor or two. Seriously?

Has this country gone crazy?
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sons of immigrants are doing what they always do : pretending like they've been here in America since the continent was formed and making life harder for the next wave of immigrants. tribalism is very likely hard wired. most of us are guilty of it in some form or another.
 
SheWolf said:
Wrong. Obama was criticized for it. I never supported many of his actions, but he didn't brand himself on such brazen immigration laws. The right wing didn't fairly praise him either. If it's going to a guy like Trump for us to question the laws and attitudes towards Americans, so be it.
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You may have. but were were the protests? where were other people? you cannot claim that obama was critisized more than trump on this issue. it's simply not true.
 
Helix said:
sons of immigrants are doing what they always do : pretending like they've been here in America since the continent was formed and making life harder for the next wave of immigrants. tribalism is very likely hard wired. most of us are guilty of it in some form or another.
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I am the son of immigrants. I want a broad comprehensive almost open LEGAL immigration policy. My parents had to follow rules, so should theirs.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You may have. but were were the protests? where were other people? you cannot claim that obama was critisized more than trump on this issue. it's simply not true.
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There was coverage on Obama's deportation policies, and I saw it. I am sure there were protests in certain communities of people near the boarder. You act like people don't hold democrats responsible. It's the same thing with the Hillary and super predator thing. I saw black people calling her out on that. I have seen democrats and Latinos call out Obama for his deportation policies, and I have seen Muslims criticize Obama for a lot of reasons.

And while you keep doing this, what about the democrats, thing, it was long reported under Obama that illegal immigration was down and more people were leaving or being sent back than coming in. That didn't stop the Trump base from freaking out and electing Trump on The promise of building a wall.

The partisanship and selective reality in this country stinks to high hell. Stop acting like it only exists on the left side.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I 100% agree. but you guys can't be all mad at trump now since this is all obama era rules here.
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Cite?

Besides, Trump is POTUS now - it's been in the news quite a bit, took office about a year ago - so the rules are "Trump era rules."
 
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JasperL said:
Cite?

Besides, Trump is POTUS now - it's been in the news quite a bit - so the rules are "Trump rules."
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I read an article earlier saying Trump is deporting more people and for less serious offenses than Obama. I can cite it later. I am on my phone now.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I am the son of immigrants. I want a broad comprehensive almost open LEGAL immigration policy. My parents had to follow rules, so should theirs.
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my ancestors endured a long a difficult boat ride, but didn't have to sit there ten years in their home countries waiting to do it with no guarantee that they'd ever be allowed in. that BS has its roots in anti-Chinese xenophobia in the nineteenth century (it was cool for them to build our railroad system for **** pay, though,) and the immigration system really blossomed into a turd in the 20th century.

as for what i currently support, it's kind of evolving. first step should be another amnesty, IMO. it was fine when Ronald Reagan did it, and the same people wailing and moaning about Central Americans coming here would probably drink his bathwater. another gulp won't hurt. then what should we do? actually use everify to address the draw? and i mean for real use it, not just play pretend? might work for a minute, but technology will fill the gap. if you're worried about your job, you'd probably be better off deporting software and robots. that's what's really going to cost people their jobs.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You may have. but were were the protests? where were other people? you cannot claim that obama was critisized more than trump on this issue. it's simply not true.
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Obama Faces Protests In California Over Deportations

President Barack Obama faced protests in California on Friday from immigrant rights advocates angry over his administration’s record-setting level of deportations.
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https://thinkprogress.org/immigrant...est-of-obamas-deportation-raids-bb0ce336f8f4/

Chanting “si se puede” (yes we can) and “not one more deportation,” about 50 immigrants and advocates — still angry about the SCOTUS decision — marched to the Atlanta Field office of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) federal agency, to show their frustration over immigration operations that have taken place since the new year to primarily detain and arrest Central American mothers and children in the Atlanta area and in North Carolina. The Atlanta ICE field office accounted for more than one-third of all the people arrested in the Operation Border Guardian raid, which targeted teenagers who have lost their immigration court cases or had final removal orders.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/theo...central-connecticut-state-university/6088643/

It looks like President Obama will be running into deportation protesters for some time to come.

Critics of Obama's record-setting number of deportations protested outside the gym at Central Connecticut State University where the president spoke on Wednesday, carrying signs that said things like "Stop Deportation."

Others chanted: "Obama! Obama! Don't deport my mama!"

During the speech, a critic yelled at Obama before being escorted out: "Mr. President, stop deportations! Two million too many, not one more!"

The demonstration came a day after Janet Murguia -- president of the National Council of La Raza, the nation's largest Latino advocacy organization -- described Obama as "deporter-in-chief."
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Helix said:
my ancestors endured a long a difficult boat ride, but didn't have to sit there ten years in their home countries waiting to do it with no guarantee that they'd ever be allowed in. that BS has its roots in anti-Chinese xenophobia in the nineteenth century (it was cool for them to build our railroad system for **** pay, though,) and the immigration system really blossomed into a turd in the 20th century.

as for what i currently support, it's kind of evolving. first step should be another amnesty, IMO. it was fine when Ronald Reagan did it, and the same people wailing and moaning about Central Americans coming here would probably drink his bathwater. another gulp won't hurt. then what should we do? actually use everify to address the draw? and i mean for real use it, not just play pretend? might work for a minute, but technology will fill the gap. if you're worried about your job, you'd probably be better off deporting software and robots. that's what's really going to cost people their jobs.
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I don't think it was fine then nor do I now. I'd compromise with a permanent resident status that does not grant voting rights.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I don't think it was fine then nor do I now. I'd compromise with a permanent resident status that does not grant voting rights.
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that would be taxation without representation. i don't really dig a second or third class citizenship setup.
 
Helix said:
sons of immigrants are doing what they always do : pretending like they've been here in America since the continent was formed and making life harder for the next wave of immigrants. tribalism is very likely hard wired. most of us are guilty of it in some form or another.
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Exactly.

Here's my take. If you came here as an adult and commence to commit crimes, you should be deported. If you come here as a child, grow up here, and then commit crimes, you go to jai or pay a fine just like everyone else. No deportation.
 
HowardBThiname said:
It's new to me, too, but I'd deport someone who kicked his dog, citizen or not, before a drunk driver, I'm thinking.

NOLO says there are a lot of crimes that can get a legal immigrant deported, which makes me think it's important for all legal immigrants to take the necessary step to become citizens asap.

Maybe it was the DWI charge. This is what NOLO says:


https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/crimes-that-will-make-immigrant-deportable.html

The guy is no stranger to the justice system, that much is sure, but deportation seems like a big step to me. Someone had to have turned him in to ICE, so he might have enemies somewhere. Maybe his ex arranged it -- small towns and all.
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That might explain it. He had a DUI plus one conviction for theft and another for criminal damage to property. I'm not sure his DUI was "aggravated" but the theft is certainly falling under moral terpitude. CDP probably not so much, unless it was vandalism during a riot.

Other deportable offenses include (some you list above): possession of controlled substances, except small amounts of marijuana, domestic abuse, any aggravated felony, tax evasion, fraud, voting, misrepresenting citizenship, and a few other things along those lines. Also, anything political, like giving money to some party or some organization involved in politics or opposed to the US in general.

Like I said, news to me.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Yes, this country has gone crazy.

Crazy intolerant, crazy hateful, crazy belligerent, crazily in love with mass incarceration and torture.

The planet is over-populated.
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We've lost our empathy...or, put another way, lost our Christian values.
 
calamity said:
Exactly.

Here's my take. If you came here as an adult and commence to commit crimes, you should be deported. If you come here as a child, grow up here, and then commit crimes, you go to jai or pay a fine just like everyone else. No deportation.
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depends on the crime. my opinion is that little kids don't have much of a choice where their parents decide to work, citizen or not.
 
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