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DACA Kids?

This is called wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

You know full well that either demand would take quite a while to deal with. You also know that the dreamers are going to be deported in not all that long time. So if someone agreed to your demands, you'd first get your demands met. But then, you'd never have to live up to your end of the bargain because the dreamers would already be gone.








Who gets to decide that "loopsholes" have been closed and illegal immigration "dealt" with, by the way? Like it or not, this isn't a purely conservative country. If something is to be done it is going to have to be bipartisan, in which case, you probably aren't going to agree that things were dealt with anyway.


Kinda confused by your statement.

That being said..... I agreed with the previous post. If the Dreamers/DACA kids that have NO criminal records in school and trying ( I posted that 30% are under the age of 21). Then we can give them amnesty. If the kids are OVER 21 years of age they are ADULTS (70% are over 21) , I dont care if they grew up here if they are NOT continuing school or have a JOB that is will to vouch for them. To bad so sad. They are legal adults and need to FINALLY be responsible for themselves, to say that as Children they were brought here illegally is FINE. But As Adults they are able to make their own decisions If they have NOT started working or gone/going to college. Then the need to accept their responsibility and move on or ACTUALLY go to College or Work. If not they are free to leave the country and or get in line to gain Amnesty.


Illegal Immigration just needs enforcement. ILLEGAL.

Legal Immigration needs Reform and some updates. Loopsholes that circumvent the 1 million per year limit. And if they HAVE broken and immigration laws up to this point TO INCLUDED DACA Parents they right to migrate is forfeited. Whats the point of laws if you can go around it.


Pretty simple answer.
Screen all DACA Recipients.
Under 21, in school, No criminal records. They get Amensty
Over 21, in school, no criminal record, currently employed and employer will vouch for them, they Get amnesty

Under 21 Criminal Records, see ya
Over 21 criminal record, see ya
over 21 no criminal record, no employment, no school, See ya. You had since 2012 when DACA was approved to get a Job or Go to school.

Chain migration Not related to Nucleus family (Parents/siblings) Needs to End

DACA Parents that Violated the law are subject to immigration law. either wait the 3-10 years + whatever duration they stayed undocumented, Then get in line to migrate LEGAL like the other millions that are trying


ILLEGAL JUST needs to be enforced.


pretty simple
 
take your fallacy arguments elsewhere. if you can't actually argue the point then just say so.
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Wrong... its not a "fallacy argument". You pointed out that "ignorance of the law is no excuse".

If its "no excuse"... then that four year old needs to be charged with vehicular theft.

Otherwise... you DO see exceptions when it comes to applying the law.

Good luck with that get back to me on how that works out.

It works out for thousands of people.

Yes thanks for playing since you can't actually argue what is being discussed

Nah... I just argued what was being discussed.... which is whether you truly believe that "ignorance of the law is no excuse".

Obviously... you don't believe what you posted.

So again.. thanks for playing.
 
You're going to accept over a million legal immigrants each year. Why not just make a way for these people, who are functionally Americans already, to take those places?
 
You're going to accept over a million legal immigrants each year. Why not just make a way for these people, who are functionally Americans already, to take those places?

Great question and easy fix right? But then the background noise goes... "So what about all the Legals that are in Que now" The "Million legal immigrants" That paid for their Visa's Biometrics, waited 1-2 years for all the approvals. They now get pushed back another year and have to re apply?


This again goes back to the logical points. of LEGAL vs ILLEGAL. There is a legal way of doing things and an illegal way.... the DACA recipients while not the person committing the action is still illegal. Why should they get a separate agreement than what other LEGAL immigrants that go through the process have.


I listed my thoughts I wonder if anyone would be willing to chime in

Pretty simple answer.
Screen all DACA Recipients.
Under 21, in school, No criminal records. They get Amnesty
Over 21, in school, no criminal record, currently employed and employer will vouch for them, they Get amnesty

Under 21 Criminal Records, see ya
Over 21 criminal record, see ya
over 21 no criminal record, no employment, no school, See ya. You had since 2012 when DACA was approved to get a Job or Go to school.

Chain migration Not related to Nucleus family (Parents/siblings) Needs to End

DACA Parents that Violated the law are subject to immigration law. either wait the 3-10 years + whatever duration they stayed undocumented, Then get in line to migrate LEGAL like the other millions that are trying


ILLEGALs JUST needs to be enforced.


pretty simple
 
Great question and easy fix right? But then the background noise goes... "So what about all the Legals that are in Que now" The "Million legal immigrants" That paid for their Visa's Biometrics, waited 1-2 years for all the approvals. They now get pushed back another year and have to re apply?


This again goes back to the logical points. of LEGAL vs ILLEGAL. There is a legal way of doing things and an illegal way.... the DACA recipients while not the person committing the action is still illegal. Why should they get a separate agreement than what other LEGAL immigrants that go through the process have.


I listed my thoughts I wonder if anyone would be willing to chime in

Ummmm....... why is it either or? We are already letting in 1 million legal immigratns.... AND the Daca kids are ALREADY HERE.

Why does changing their status from illegal to legal.. have to affect those 1 million other legal immigrants?

We have already decided to let them in... despite having DACA in the country as well.
 
Ummmm....... why is it either or? We are already letting in 1 million legal immigratns.... AND the Daca kids are ALREADY HERE.

Why does changing their status from illegal to legal.. have to affect those 1 million other legal immigrants?

We have already decided to let them in... despite having DACA in the country as well.

Im responding to his question, I am not agreeing one way or the other... Its a tough questions. the OP's answer was straight forward, but there is NO simple retort to it.


Do have the answer to the question?

if we allow only 1million people in, this year 2018, and the million is counted to the DACA. Thats it for the year right?

I then asked the question, What about the Other Million thats in the que waiting already that was supposed to come in 2018. They get pushed to 2019?

Not that easy of an answer?
 
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