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When deportation is a death sentence

Dittohead not!

Dittohead not!

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[FONT=&quot]On June 9, 2009, just after 2 a.m., Laura S. left the restaurant where she waitressed, in Pharr, Texas, and drove off in her white Chevy. She was in an unusually hopeful mood. Her twenty-third birthday was nine days away, and she and her nineteen-year-old cousin, Elizabeth, had been discussing party plans at the restaurant. They’d decided to have coolers of beer, a professional d.j., and dancing after Laura put her three sons to bed. Now they were heading home, and giving two of Laura’s friends a ride, with a quick detour for hamburgers. Elizabeth said that, as they neared the highway, a cop flashed his lights at them. The officer, Nazario Solis III, claimed that Laura had been driving between lanes and asked to see her license and proof of insurance.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Laura had neither. She’d lived in the United States undocumented her whole adult life.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do you have your residence card?” Solis asked.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“No,” Laura said, glancing anxiously at her cousin and her friends. Solis questioned them, too. Only Elizabeth had a visa, which she fished out of her purse. Solis directed the others to get out of the car. “I’m calling Border Patrol,” he said—an unusual move, at the time, for a small-town cop in South Texas.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Laura panicked. At five feet two inches and barely a hundred pounds, she looked younger than her age. She often wore tube tops and short shorts, and styled her hair in a girlish bob. Her affect was “attached to childhood,” her older brother told me; she collected porcelain dolls, and loved Japanese anime and Saturday-morning cartoons. Laura’s friends saw her trembling. Like her, they had kids who were U.S. citizens and steady jobs they didn’t want to lose, but they knew that Laura’s fear was distinct. She had an ex-husband across the border, in Reynosa, Mexico, who had promised to kill her if she returned.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“I can’t be sent back to Mexico,” Laura told Solis, beginning to cry. “I have a protection order against my ex—please, just let me call my mom and she’ll bring you the paperwork.”[/FONT]
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To make a long story short, no one called her mom, she was deported without a hearing, and her ex tortured and killed her.

And, she's not alone.

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Some of them are, I assume, good people. Yes, and some of those good people are fleeing bad people.
 
Dittohead not! said:
To make a long story short, no one called her mom, she was deported without a hearing, and her ex tortured and killed her.

And, she's not alone.

Read more here

Some of them are, I assume, good people. Yes, and some of those good people are fleeing bad people.
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That's her ex's fault as well as her home country's failure to enforce it's own laws. nobody elses.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
That's her ex's fault as well as her home country's failure to enforce it's own laws. nobody elses.
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If there's no due process, then it's not a just system. Just because there are multiple bad guys in this story doesn't excuse our own failings.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
If there's no due process, then it's not a just system. Just because there are multiple bad guys in this story doesn't excuse our own failings.
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It's definitely not a just system. The Fifth Amendment is supposed to apply to asylum seekers as well as citizens.

and this young woman is not alone:

In the past decade, a growing number of immigrants fearing for their safety have come to the U.S., only to be sent back to their home countries—with the help of border agents, immigration judges, politicians, and U.S. voters—to violent deaths. Even as border apprehensions have dropped, the number of migrants coming to the U.S. because their lives are in danger has soared. According to the United Nations, since 2008 there has been a fivefold increase in asylum seekers just from Central America’s Northern Triangle—Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador—where organized gangs are dominant. In 2014, according to the U.N., Honduras had the world’s highest murder rate; El Salvador and Guatemala were close behind.
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and many of them wind up dead.
 
Dittohead not! said:
To make a long story short, no one called her mom, she was deported without a hearing, and her ex tortured and killed her.

And, she's not alone.

Read more here

Some of them are, I assume, good people. Yes, and some of those good people are fleeing bad people.
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So a Mexican killed a Mexican and it's because of deportation? What kind of twisted logic is that? In Chad, a man threatens to beat his wife. But if she were safely located in the U.S. and on welfare at U.S. taxpayer expense then she would be safe!
 
Dittohead not! said:
To make a long story short, no one called her mom, she was deported without a hearing, and her ex tortured and killed her.

And, she's not alone.

Read more here

Some of them are, I assume, good people. Yes, and some of those good people are fleeing bad people.
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You know, you can pull up sad story after sad story. It doesn't excuse the person who did the deed. THEY are responsible,
For every one of those stories, there is one for an illegal hurting or killing a US citizen. What should we say to them and their families?
 
Dittohead not! said:
To make a long story short, no one called her mom, she was deported without a hearing, and her ex tortured and killed her.

And, she's not alone.

Read more here

Some of them are, I assume, good people. Yes, and some of those good people are fleeing bad people.
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That is the fault of the man who murdered her and the fault of her government for not protecting her against that man.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
If there's no due process, then it's not a just system. Just because there are multiple bad guys in this story doesn't excuse our own failings.
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What due process are you talking about? She was neither a citizen nor was she here legally. The lawful response to that is deportation.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It's definitely not a just system. The Fifth Amendment is supposed to apply to asylum seekers as well as citizens.

and this young woman is not alone:




and many of them wind up dead.
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It's a bad circumstance, but we can't take everyone in. We have how many Americans being killed violently, some by illegal immigrants.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It's definitely not a just system. The Fifth Amendment is supposed to apply to asylum seekers as well as citizens.

and this young woman is not alone:

and many of them wind up dead.
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Did she apply for asylum or was she just an illegal immigrant? Seems like you're inserting your own details and facts in that don't exist.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
And by deporting the woman, The United States has blood on its hands.
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We also are guilty for the thousands of backlogged rape kits yet to be tested, enabling rapists to continue.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Who would have been unable to kill his ex if we had not deported her and sent her back home to her ex.
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Who would not have been killed by her ex if poor choices weren't made to get involved with him in the first place. We can play the blame everyone else game if you want. Doesn't change anything.
 
Fishking said:
What due process are you talking about? She was neither a citizen nor was she here legally. The lawful response to that is deportation.
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If you're not given a chance to mount a defense, then there is no justice.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
If you're not given a chance to mount a defense, then there is no justice.
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A defense for what? Proving she was a citizen? Tell me when we start deporting US citizens all willy-nilly. Until then, the proper resolution occurred. She was here illegally and the proper response to that is deportation.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
If there's no due process, then it's not a just system. Just because there are multiple bad guys in this story doesn't excuse our own failings.
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Due process is reserved for US citizens, if you are here illegally, you can go back from where you came and do the "due process" to come here legally.


We were not and are not the bad guys in this story.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Who would have been unable to kill his ex if we had not deported her and sent her back home to her ex.
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So the reason every illegal immigrant in this country is breaking our laws is because their own country failed to provide the jobs they needed to keep them i home... See how stupid that sounds??
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Due process is reserved for US citizens, if you are here illegally, you can go back from where you came and do the "due process" to come here legally.


We were not and are not the bad guys in this story.
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An argument that undermines the moral justification of our nation's founding.
 
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