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Another Terrorist Attack in NYC

Buzz62 said:
Aside from Israel, the entire Arab world.
Then throw in any countries who have any sort of Muslim issues...many do already.
Then...wait till it hurts them so much that they start cleaning up their act.
Like I said...we don't need them at all. They need us.

My ideas on Europe would include a massive immigration interview and expulsion program backed by military and navel force.
Its time to call a spade a spade.
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You do realize that you be excluding lots of countries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

And as for calling a spade a spade, you do realize what you are calling for is similar to what got Ratko Mladić sent to prison
 
Buzz62 said:
Blah blah...woof woof.
OK I get it. Why didn't you just come out and say, "I don't care about the victims or their families. I care more about our own drunk drivers than I do about having someone's son's legs and arms strewn all over the road by a terrorist."
Because...we certainly wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of these poor Muslim Terrorists...would we...
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He's not saying that at all. What he is saying makes sense regarding the chance of it happening to you. My argument is that just because the chance isn't that big doesn't mean we should keep letting that chance get bigger.
But to twist it to say he doesn't care about the victims or their families is wrong.
 
Buzz62 said:
Blah blah...woof woof.
OK I get it. Why didn't you just come out and say, "I don't care about the victims or their families. I care more about our own drunk drivers than I do about having someone's son's legs and arms strewn all over the road by a terrorist."
Because...we certainly wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of these poor Muslim Terrorists...would we...
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Why would I say that? It’d be a lie.

Where have I said that I don’t care about the victims of terrorist attacks? I haven’t. You’re putting words in my mouth.

What I’ve said is that terrorists don’t pose a threat to our national security. That is demonstrably truevand you’ve nothing of substance to counter it - because you can’t.

Catch the offenders and punish them like any other criminal. Use our significant intelligence resources to find stop plots if possible - while staying on the right side of the constitution. There is no need to do anything else
 
Oh the horror of it all....ban all Muslims and put up the Great Wall of China. God I love how these Conservatives pee themselves over ever itty bitty issue. They need to change the last six words in the National anthem from "and the Home of the Brave". To "make sure you got your Depends" If this is the level of terrorist we are facing I am more worried about the disgruntled ugly white dumb arse with 1000 rounds of ammo and a AR-15. For fiscal Conservatives you sure throw a trillion here and a trillion there for crap like this. If this is the new level of terrorism we might want to remember "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself". For heavens sakes go to a urologists and have your bladder checked.
 
holbritter said:
He's not saying that at all. What he is saying makes sense regarding the chance of it happening to you. My argument is that just because the chance isn't that big doesn't mean we should keep letting that chance get bigger.
But to twist it to say he doesn't care about the victims or their families is wrong.
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Gaius46 said:
...it does mean that the fear is irrational and our excessive reaction to it is unwarranted.

The same day that person was killed approximately 100 others were killed by drunk drivers. And another hundred the following day and the day after and the day after that. Perhaps instead of worrying about the person who killed that person we should worry more about drunk drivers.
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Excessive reaction...not allowing people who have massacred your own countrymen on numerous occasions, including 9/11, into your nation is...excessive? Irrational? IMO not closing the boarders completely to these people is irrational and gawd-damn stupid.
Trying to diminish this threat, by comparing numbers of dead from existing internal issues, is dishonest and disingenuous. Its also just plain disrespectful of the dead and their families.
I guess that's the difference in passive aggressive and truly aggressive. If someone punches me in the mouth, I don't say, "Oh that's OK, I'd rather not upset your Momma so, I'll just ignore your violence. Besides, I cut my face regularly while I shave." Instead...I'm more inclined to protect myself, by tearing out every rotten tooth the bastard has in his mouth...before I say anything.
It is the job of the government to protect its citizens. Let them.
 
Gaius46 said:
Why would I say that? It’d be a lie.

Where have I said that I don’t care about the victims of terrorist attacks? I haven’t. You’re putting words in my mouth.

What I’ve said is that terrorists don’t pose a threat to our national security.
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Which is horse kaka.
Gaius46 said:
That is demonstrably truevand you’ve nothing of substance to counter it - because you can’t.
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Sigh...
The United States and its partners continue to face a growing number of global threats and challenges. The CIA’s mission includes collecting and analyzing information about high priority national security issues such as international terrorism, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, cyber attacks, international organized crime and narcotics trafficking, regional conflicts, counterintelligence threats, and the effects of environmental and natural disasters.

These challenges are international in scope and are priorities for the Central Intelligence Agency. If you have information about these or other national security challenges, please provide it through our secure online form. The information you provide will be protected and confidential. The CIA is particularly interested in information about imminent or planned terrorist attacks. In cases where an imminent threat exists, immediately contact your local law enforcement agencies and provide them with the threat information.
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https://www.cia.gov/contact-cia/report-threats.html
Finding that tood 10 seconds. I'm pretty sure there more.
Wanna see it?

Gaius46 said:
Catch the offenders and punish them like any other criminal. Use our significant intelligence resources to find stop plots if possible - while staying on the right side of the constitution. There is no need to do anything else
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And where in the constitution does it say, open the doors to people who want to kill you?
 


Funny, but kinda accurate, imo.
 
Buzz62 said:
Which is horse kaka.

Sigh...

https://www.cia.gov/contact-cia/report-threats.html
Finding that tood 10 seconds. I'm pretty sure there more.
Wanna see it?


And where in the constitution does it say, open the doors to people who want to kill you?
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sigh.

Nothing you've said here counters anything I've said. So you reproduce a page from the CIA's website that mentioned international terrorism and national security in the same sentence and somehow make the leap that that means terrorists can actually threaten our national security. Let me ask you a question. How have any of the terrorist attacks that have been perpetrated in the US or in Europe in and of themselves posed a threat to the national security of any of those nations? Even 9/11 with the thousands of deaths it caused did not pose a threat to the existence of the United States. What poses a threat to those countries is how they react to terrorist threats, not the threats in and of themselves. Which of course is exactly the point of the attacks.

I never said the constitution says we have to open the doors to people who want to kill us. I said we have to defend against terrorism while staying on the right side of the constitution which means not doing things like violating the rights of citizens and, until the SC says otherwise, not stopping people from immigrating just because they happen to be Muslim.
 
Gaius46 said:
sigh.

Nothing you've said here counters anything I've said. So you reproduce a page from the CIA's website that mentioned international terrorism and national security in the same sentence and somehow make the leap that that means terrorists can actually threaten our national security. Let me ask you a question. How have any of the terrorist attacks that have been perpetrated in the US or in Europe in and of themselves posed a threat to the national security of any of those nations? Even 9/11 with the thousands of deaths it caused did not pose a threat to the existence of the United States. What poses a threat to those countries is how they react to terrorist threats, not the threats in and of themselves. Which of course is exactly the point of the attacks.

I never said the constitution says we have to open the doors to people who want to kill us. I said we have to defend against terrorism while staying on the right side of the constitution which means not doing things like violating the rights of citizens and, until the SC says otherwise, not stopping people from immigrating just because they happen to be Muslim.
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If you can't bring yourself to stand up for and protect your country...why don't you just let those who have a spine...do so for you?
Your flakey outlook is straight outta the Anti-Trump play book. Especially since...I bet you didn't say a single word when Obama instituted the original ban...did you...

Didn't think so...:roll:
 
Buzz62 said:
If you can't bring yourself to stand up for and protect your country...why don't you just let those who have a spine...do so for you?
Your flakey outlook is straight outta the Anti-Trump play book. Especially since...I bet you didn't say a single word when Obama instituted the original ban...did you...

Didn't think so...:roll:
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Final time - it isn't about "protecting your country." They aren't a threat to the country. They are criminals, nothing more. They should be dealt with by the police. My point is that they are not a national security issue. You keep insisting on mischaracterizing my statements with nonsense about me "not wanting to protecting my country." Get it straight okay - they ARE NOT a threat to my country. To individual citizens? Yes. Like any other criminal. But my country will not fall apart because of terrorist threats. Okay? Is that clear now?

As to Obama - he did't do anything even remotely like what Trump has proposed.
 
Gaius46 said:
Final time - it isn't about "protecting your country." They aren't a threat to the country. They are criminals, nothing more. They should be dealt with by the police. My point is that they are not a national security issue. You keep insisting on mischaracterizing my statements with nonsense about me "not wanting to protecting my country." Get it straight okay - they ARE NOT a threat to my country. To individual citizens? Yes. Like any other criminal. But my country will not fall apart because of terrorist threats. Okay? Is that clear now?

As to Obama - he did't do anything even remotely like what Trump has proposed.
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ISIS has declared war on the USA and made real the credible threats to the USA.
All of the terrorists to date,with the exception of the 9/11 Saudis, have declared their fealty and support for ISIS.
If you are incapable of defending your country, just say so.
But insisting that there is no threat...is just stupid.

Trump has expanded Obama's original ban.!
 
Buzz62 said:
ISIS has declared war on the USA and made real the credible threats to the USA.
All of the terrorists to date,with the exception of the 9/11 Saudis, have declared their fealty and support for ISIS.
If you are incapable of defending your country, just say so.
But insisting that there is no threat...is just stupid.

Trump has expanded Obama's original ban.!
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Again. How can ISIS conceivably threaten the existence of the United States?

Yes Trump expanded a small, targeted and legal action to the point where it is broad and, according to the courts, illegal. what's your point?
 
Buzz62 said:
Oh come on...
Do you really think every person who supports Trump is some sort of KKK freak?
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Is my statement saying "every person"? Here it is again...

There are many Donald Trump supporters who would like to see everybody with dark skin ousted from the United States.
 
Media_Truth said:
Is my statement saying "every person"? Here it is again...

There are many Donald Trump supporters who would like to see everybody with dark skin ousted from the United States.
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That's like saying, 'There are many Clinton supporters who would like to see all cops shot, preferably by dark skinned people, throughout the United States.'

So what was you point then?
 
Buzz62 said:
That's like saying, 'There are many Clinton supporters who would like to see all cops shot, preferably by dark skinned people, throughout the United States.'

So what was you point then?
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Clinton is not president, otherwise your comment might be something to discuss. My original point was this - I would not have thought that Trump supported a racial cleansing policy in the US, like some of his radical followers. But after his comments about VA, one has to wonder. And my second point, to the topic, was that this attitude is not conducive to fighting terrorism in the United States.
 
Buzz62 said:
ISIS has declared war on the USA and made real the credible threats to the USA.
All of the terrorists to date,with the exception of the 9/11 Saudis, have declared their fealty and support for ISIS.
If you are incapable of defending your country, just say so.
But insisting that there is no threat...is just stupid.

Trump has expanded Obama's original ban.!
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Really worried they declared war on us! And there equipment is down to a car and a truck and I pretty crappy pipe bomb. Here is an idea...have the FBI put up fake how to build bombs websites so that the ingredients go off 10 seconds after being combined....that'll take care of the problem. Stop reading Jihad watch. No one said there was not a threat....that is why we have trillions poured into the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, the military and the like. I do believe that is our defense. Remember the military that the Conservatives are star spangled bannered in love with....that one.
 
Media_Truth said:
Is my statement saying "every person"? Here it is again...

There are many Donald Trump supporters who would like to see everybody with dark skin ousted from the United States.
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I very much doubt that before Obama fuelled the flames of division the relative number was in any way significant. But even now, it would be interesting to know your definition of "many". I would suspect that it is small compared with the relative numbers in Europe with similar sentiments for legal refugees or Europeans of Arab decent.
 
Media_Truth said:
Clinton is not president, otherwise your comment might be something to discuss.
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The nonsense is the same. It was a pointless statement.
Media_Truth said:
My original point was this - I would not have thought that Trump supported a racial cleansing policy in the US, like some of his radical followers. But after his comments about VA, one has to wonder.
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At least that makes sense.
don't think Trump is into racial cleansing either. I doubt there are very many people around who actually would want some sort of racial cleansing campaign. However, with regards to VA, those UTR people did and still do have every right to hold their protests and say what they will. That's America. I always found this outrage that he would even dare say that both sides acted badly, more than a little disingenuous. As if he was actually comparing the 2 positions. Which I never thought he was, because I never heard him say he was. All I heard was a bunch of sky-screamers trying to convince themselves and the public...that he was. I found that also disingenuous and dishonest.
Media_Truth said:
And my second point, to the topic, was that this attitude is not conducive to fighting terrorism in the United States.
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Its not fighting anything.
Its acquiescing to the threat. Accepting it as a fact of life. I disagree because I don't need additional threats in my life, and don't like threats.

Fraggle Rock said:
Really worried they declared war on us! And there equipment is down to a car and a truck and I pretty crappy pipe bomb. Here is an idea...have the FBI put up fake how to build bombs websites so that the ingredients go off 10 seconds after being combined....that'll take care of the problem.
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Take a deep breath and try to think clearly. Then your typing will make better sense.
Go scream at the sky, if it helps.

Fraggle Rock said:
Stop reading Jihad watch.
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I'm not familiar with Jihad watch. What is it? Do you read or watch it regularly?

Fraggle Rock said:
No one said there was not a threat....that is why we have trillions poured into the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, the military and the like. I do believe that is our defense. Remember the military that the Conservatives are star spangled bannered in love with....that one.
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Doing a whiz-bang job aren't they. I bet they are doing the best they can...while the flood gates are held open by tweenkies...
 
Buzz62 said:
The nonsense is the same. It was a pointless statement.

At least that makes sense.
don't think Trump is into racial cleansing either. I doubt there are very many people around who actually would want some sort of racial cleansing campaign. However, with regards to VA, those UTR people did and still do have every right to hold their protests and say what they will. That's America. I always found this outrage that he would even dare say that both sides acted badly, more than a little disingenuous. As if he was actually comparing the 2 positions. Which I never thought he was, because I never heard him say he was. All I heard was a bunch of sky-screamers trying to convince themselves and the public...that he was. I found that also disingenuous and dishonest.

Its not fighting anything.
Its acquiescing to the threat. Accepting it as a fact of life. I disagree because I don't need additional threats in my life, and don't like threats.


Take a deep breath and try to think clearly. Then your typing will make better sense.
Go scream at the sky, if it helps.


I'm not familiar with Jihad watch. What is it? Do you read or watch it regularly?


Doing a whiz-bang job aren't they. I bet they are doing the best they can...while the flood gates are held open by tweenkies...
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Trump seems to invite sparring with any dark-skinned people. It's more obvious with Muslims, but it seems apparent with both Blacks and Hispanics. I would like to believe that he is not into racial cleansing, but at the same time, he sure doesn't do anything or say anything complimentary about Blacks or Hispanics. Will he step up to the plate, if there are real serious issues. Now maybe I've missed something. Provide a link, if I have...
 
Media_Truth said:
Trump seems to invite sparring with any dark-skinned people. It's more obvious with Muslims, but it seems apparent with both Blacks and Hispanics. I would like to believe that he is not into racial cleansing, but at the same time, he sure doesn't do anything or say anything complimentary about Blacks or Hispanics. Will he step up to the plate, if there are real serious issues. Now maybe I've missed something. Provide a link, if I have...
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How do you define 'step up to the plate'?
Look, I don't know if Donny's a racist or not. Neither do any of us. We know he's a snake in the grass, realestate mogul who went bankrupt a bunch of times, and he likes to run his mouth off. That's what we know. A used car salesman who won the biggest prize on the planet. I gotta give 'im kudos for that...just as I begrudgingly acknowledge Mikey Jackson was a musical genius.
 
Buzz62 said:
I smell something too. Its the salty smell of sweat produced by cowardice and passive aggressive memes.
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Your fear is proof terrorism works. ISIS wants western countries to stop accepting refugees. ISIS stages terrorist attacks. Western nations stop acepting refugees. Terrorism works.
Alternately, western nations accept refugees. ISIS stages terrorist attacks. Western nations fight back, ferreting out terrorist cells and defeating ISIS where it lives. Terrorism fails.
Your fear finds a new home, another boogeyman to tremble at.
 
Grand Mal said:
Your fear is proof terrorism works. ISIS wants western countries to stop accepting refugees. ISIS stages terrorist attacks. Western nations stop acepting refugees. Terrorism works.
Alternately, western nations accept refugees. ISIS stages terrorist attacks. Western nations fight back, ferreting out terrorist cells and defeating ISIS where it lives. Terrorism fails.
Your fear finds a new home, another boogeyman to tremble at.
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Well that's just about the most 'pie in the sky' assertion I think I've ever heard.
 
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