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Border agent killed, partner injured by illegal immigrants using rocks, report says

Nickyjo said:
My post was meant to be ironic, a parody of the statements from some gun rights advocates when a mass shooting occurs. Guns are a problem. Illegal immigration is a problem. We should no more look away from the omnipresence of guns in our society than the omnipresence of the undocumented.
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So you playing to different issues together? I suppose there's a strong connection there somewhere.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Immigrants DO get "serious vetting" - almost all my wife's family took twenty-five years to immigrate here from when she first applied for them to come here, and on top of that, they have comprehensive background checks from their own country's equivalent of our FBI, medical checks including X-rays (to check for TB, mostly) and blood and urine samples to check for infectious diseases or drug use (and the medical checks are required to be done just before they travel), and they are questioned by our embassy there, questioned by the TSA upon arrival here, and until they receive their citizenship, any crime they may commit will likely result in deportation. Exactly how much more is required before it meets your personal standard of "serious vetting"?

That's why my niece and her family are immigrating to Canada - it's a heck of a lot easier to immigrate there than it is to America. That, and it's a more peaceful, less racist nation. In fact, that makes you wonder how it is that so many Americans are so fearful of immigrants when there's a nation right next door that is significantly more liberal than America, where the immigration policies are more lax than our own...and has significantly less violence. Wait - let me guess - it's all because of Hillary's emails....
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Immigrants DO get "serious vetting" - almost all my wife's family took twenty-five years to immigrate here from when she first applied for them to come here, and on top of that, they have comprehensive background checks from their own country's equivalent of our FBI, medical checks including X-rays (to check for TB, mostly) and blood and urine samples to check for infectious diseases or drug use (and the medical checks are required to be done just before they travel), and they are questioned by our embassy there, questioned by the TSA upon arrival here, and until they receive their citizenship, any crime they may commit will likely result in deportation. Exactly how much more is required before it meets your personal standard of "serious vetting"?

That's why my niece and her family are immigrating to Canada - it's a heck of a lot easier to immigrate there than it is to America. That, and it's a more peaceful, less racist nation. In fact, that makes you wonder how it is that so many Americans are so fearful of immigrants when there's a nation right next door that is significantly more liberal than America, where the immigration policies are more lax than our own...and has significantly less violence. Wait - let me guess - it's all because of Hillary's emails....
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Legal immigration to Canada is roughly 280,000 people per year

Legal immigration to United States is roughly one million per year.

Illegal Aliens in the United States number between 11 million to 13 million.
 
MaggieD said:
Now it appears there is some belief that it may have been caused by both of them falling into a ravine. Reported on FOX a few minutes ago.
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Are you saying it was their own fault?
 
American said:
Border agent killed, partner injured by illegal immigrants using rocks, report says | Fox News



Another shameful reminder of how dangerous the open border crowd is, and the criminals that come into our country illegally.
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An area I used to hunt quail and Javelena in is not a no man's land and damn dangerous:

MEXICAN CARTELS RUN AZ DESERT, 70 Miles Inside Border.....DRUG CARTELS CONTROL AMERICAN SOIL 30 MILES FROM PHOENIX - National/World News - Baltimore Sun Talk Forums
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Legal immigration to Canada is roughly 280,000 people per year

Legal immigration to United States is roughly one million per year.

Illegal Aliens in the United States number between 11 million to 13 million.
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America has just under ten times the population of Canada, but Canada accepts over one-fourth the number of immigrants...

...which means that when adjusted for relative populations, Canada accepts over 2.5 as many immigrants as America does.

And Canada is more peaceful and less racist. So...how is it that America is SO fearful of immigrants when our neighbor right next door admits immigrants at a rate over 2.5 times higher than we do, and they have FAR less problems with immigrants? Try again, Mr. "Common Sense".
 
holbritter said:
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Read it again - I never said that I am leaving, or that any of my family from America were leaving - I was referring to my niece and her family who are immigrating from overseas to Canada. The second phrase of the sentence should have made that quite clear.

Oh, and feel free to tell me what more needs to be done to meet y'all's standards of "serious vetting", over and above what is already done?
 
I wouldn't be concerned by a brick - some of those druggies are heavily armed.
 
chuckiechan said:
url=http://talk.baltimoresun.com/topic/263405-mexican-cartels-run-az-desert-70-miles-inside-borderdrug-cartels-control-american-soil-30-miles-from-phoenix/]MEXICAN CARTELS RUN AZ DESERT, 70 Miles Inside Border.....DRUG CARTELS CONTROL AMERICAN SOIL 30 MILES FROM PHOENIX - National/World News - Baltimore Sun Talk Forums[/url]
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That must have been in the fantasy section of that forum - right?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
America has just under ten times the population of Canada, but Canada accepts over one-fourth the number of immigrants...

...which means that when adjusted for relative populations, Canada accepts over 2.5 as many immigrants as America does.

And Canada is more peaceful and less racist. So...how is it that America is SO fearful of immigrants when our neighbor right next door admits immigrants at a rate over 2.5 times higher than we do, and they have FAR less problems with immigrants? Try again, Mr. "Common Sense".
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If Canada is so great move! Beyond fed up with the hate America crowd. Sick to death of people taking in all the advantages we have and then bitching about it. The US takes in over a million legal immigration every year. So obviously they are not fearful! The United States has done more good around the world to include many US solders dying and large sum's of money spent to help others across the world!
 
American said:
At least one gun from a botched Justice Department mission was used to shoot one of our agents.
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Brian Terry is the deceased BP agent = that gun was one result of a brain-f@rt by the then-US attorney in Phoenix and several dull-witted ATF people. Named Operation Fast & Furious, it was unknown to DC until it all fell apart.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
If Canada is so great move! Beyond fed up with the hate America crowd. Sick to death of people taking in all the advantages we have and then bitching about it. The US takes in over a million legal immigration every year. So obviously they are not fearful! The United States has done more good around the world to include many US solders dying and large sum's of money spent to help others across the world!
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Has it ever occurred to you that part of patriotism is trying to make one's own country a better place? I know something of patriotism - I'm retired Navy.

And you're right that MOST Americans aren't afraid of immigrants...but most of the ones who are, are rural residents who have little day-to-day interaction with those of other nations and cultures...and most people who live in rural areas are conservative.

Oh, and when it comes to us sending our soldiers to die in other lands, you do know that during Bush 43's very first cabinet meeting (in Jan. 2001, eight months before 9/11), one of the main topics was the invasion of Iraq, don't you? Also included was a discussion over what contractors would get access to which oil fields.

In other words, no, our soldiers didn't go to Iraq to save the Iraqis from Saddam Hussein - they went because Bush 43 wanted to be a war president:

Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.

"He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, 'If I have a chance to invade...if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency."
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According to Herskowitz, George W. Bush's beliefs on Iraq were based in part on a notion dating back to the Reagan White House - ascribed in part to now-vice president Dick Cheney, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee under Reagan. "Start a small war. Pick a country where there is justification you can jump on, go ahead and invade."

Bush's circle of pre-election advisers had a fixation on the political capital that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher collected from the Falklands War. Said Herskowitz: "They were just absolutely blown away, just enthralled by the scenes of the troops coming back, of the boats, people throwing flowers at [Thatcher] and her getting these standing ovations in Parliament and making these magnificent speeches."

In fact, many of those same guys who took us to war in Iraq worked directly for those who sold missiles to Iran during Iran-Contra.

Next time, do try to be just as cynical of the "rah-rah-America" crowd as you are of those you call the "hate America" crowd.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Has it ever occurred to you that part of patriotism is trying to make one's own country a better place? I know something of patriotism - I'm retired Navy.

And you're right that MOST Americans aren't afraid of immigrants...but most of the ones who are, are rural residents who have little day-to-day interaction with those of other nations and cultures...and most people who live in rural areas are conservative.

Oh, and when it comes to us sending our soldiers to die in other lands, you do know that during Bush 43's very first cabinet meeting (in Jan. 2001, eight months before 9/11), one of the main topics was the invasion of Iraq, don't you? Also included was a discussion over what contractors would get access to which oil fields.

In other words, no, our soldiers didn't go to Iraq to save the Iraqis from Saddam Hussein - they went because Bush 43 wanted to be a war president:

Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.

"He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, 'If I have a chance to invade...if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency."
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According to Herskowitz, George W. Bush's beliefs on Iraq were based in part on a notion dating back to the Reagan White House - ascribed in part to now-vice president Dick Cheney, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee under Reagan. "Start a small war. Pick a country where there is justification you can jump on, go ahead and invade."

Bush's circle of pre-election advisers had a fixation on the political capital that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher collected from the Falklands War. Said Herskowitz: "They were just absolutely blown away, just enthralled by the scenes of the troops coming back, of the boats, people throwing flowers at [Thatcher] and her getting these standing ovations in Parliament and making these magnificent speeches."

In fact, many of those same guys who took us to war in Iraq worked directly for those who sold missiles to Iran during Iran-Contra.

Next time, do try to be just as cynical of the "rah-rah-America" crowd as you are of those you call the "hate America" crowd.
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Now you are back to Bush blaming....... It's 2017, But it's all Bush's fault. I am glad that you admit that we are not afraid of immigration in the US.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Now you are back to Bush blaming....... It's 2017, But it's all Bush's fault. I am glad that you admit that we are not afraid of immigration in the US.
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Hey - YOU are the one who was going on about how America was doing good by sending our soldiers to die overseas. I simply showed you how much there is that you obviously don't know about how we got involved in our worst war since Vietnam. And then there's the small matter of the 100K or so Iraqi men, women, and children who died because of that invasion...and the power vacuum that enabled the rise of ISIS....

Again, MOST Americans are not afraid of immigrants...but we have too many - and too many who are in power - who are afraid of them, or just hate them because they are different. We elected one such individual to the White House.
 
MaggieD said:
Just reportin’ the latest. But even if they fell, there is no fault to place.
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Or were pushed?

Sounds like still some investigating to go.
 
Border Patrol agent may have fallen to his death, according to AP source

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November 21, 2017

DALLAS -- Investigators believe a border patrol agent who died in West Texas after suffering extensive injuries to his head and body may have fallen down a 14-foot (4-meter) culvert, and his partner, who radioed for help, has no memory of what happened, according to a U.S. official with knowledge of the investigation. FBI spokeswoman Jeanette Harper said in a statement Monday that both agents were found late Saturday night in a culvert near Van Horn and that both had traumatic head injuries. Harper said Rogelio Martinez died early Sunday. The FBI is leading the investigation and results of his autopsy are pending. Another U.S. official, who was briefed on the investigation but is not authorized to speak publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, said Monday that Martinez was found at the bottom of the culvert and that investigators believe he may have fallen. The official said it happened after dark in an area that's known for drug activity and where agents often look for drugs in culverts.

Authorities haven't offered an official explanation of what happened to Martinez and his partner, and a border patrol supervisor said reports that the agents were attacked are "speculation."
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The investigation continues, and accidental death has not been ruled out as of now.
 
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