What is the purpose of Immigration today?

humbolt said:

The word "some" does not appear in your post #3. Sorry.

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do you understand the difference between OBSERVATION versus EVALUATION? I think you don't.

Praxas said:

do you understand the difference between OBSERVATION versus EVALUATION? I think you don't.

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Do you understand that you just claimed the word "some" appears in post number three when it clearly does not appear?

Praxas said:

Spoken like a true elite. Maybe we should evaluate the usefulness of retired conservatives now and then boot their asses out of the country. You know to make room for someone useful coming in. That should solve the “crowding”’issue.

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Or maybe the US should be more like New Zealand. That is to immigrate into the country one must prove they are self sufficient and not become a burden on the govt.

Or maybe we should evaluate the usefulness of current or retired liberals and boot them out. You know the likes of Pelosi, etc.:mrgreen:

Polar Bum said:

Well, that's the real question, isn't it?

And there are as many answers as there are people......but, if you look above, you can see that it does not take long before people start turning it into a "lets bash this political party" sporting event.

Immigration does have its uses.....fill work positions, add "diversity" ( if you believe that's a valid need in immigration) bring in new STEM talent, etc.....the answer will depend on the person.

Personally, I think we need to place all new immigration on a strict hiatus until we have cleaned out our current immigration processing backlog, and instituted changes to our visa and immigration system as a whole.

And I don't mean those "muslim countries".....I mean everyone.....so everyone can sit back down with their "Islamophobe" signs.

The USCIS is currently dealing with several years backlog.....this needs to be cleared out, and USCIS needs to be staffed better, and we need to reduce annual immigration to more manageable levels before we continue to add to the backlog.

Current immigration system need to be rebuilt.

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I agree. If cheap labor is all future immigrants are needed for, let's just slow it way down.

Aristaeus said:

Having a complete halt on immigration would hugely damage the US economy as it would basically halt inward investment overnight. Why would international companies set up offices in the US when they couldn't bring anyone in to oversee the operations?

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I don't think it would hugely damage the economy. Actually it would help I would think since less people mean less government spending on the areas I mentioned in the OP.

International companies can hire from who is already here. And they should.

countryboy said:

The purpose of immigration today, is to create an unbeatable voting block for the Democrat Party. Do you have any more silly questions?

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Do you have any more silly answers?

holbritter said:

Do you have any more silly answers?

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Oh plenty more where that came from. But I won't torture you with them at this time.

All kidding aside, the purpose of immigration should be to benefit the citizens of the United States of America. Any policy which does not do that, should be immediately scuttled. I think it's safe to say, a lottery system of immigration, which allows people to essentially cut in the line ahead of others under the guise of " diversity", is not a net benefit to anyone.

countryboy said:

Oh plenty more where that came from. But I won't torture you with them at this time.

All kidding aside, the purpose of immigration should be to benefit the citizens of the United States of America. Any policy which does not do that, should be immediately scuttled. I think it's safe to say, a lottery system of immigration, which allows people to essentially cut in the line ahead of others under the guise of " diversity", is not a net benefit to anyone.

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I would agree with that. Anyone applying to immigrate here should be able to contribute something of value, and have the means not to become a drain on our resources.

SenorXm/Sirius said:

Cheap labor.

That's what I find so fascinating on how the Republican Party uses the immigration issue. Businesses LOVE immigrants, both legal and illegal because they work cheap and help keep labor costs down. AND the GOP LOVES businesses.

So on 1 hand the GOP goes on and on about how bad immigration is for the country, but on the other hand they want to keep the borders wide open to keep their business donors and business friends happy.

And what's really fascinating is they get away with it with their voters. They tell their voters illegal immigration is all the Dems fault because the Dems want illegals to vote Dem, and the GOP voters believe that. All the while the GOP does nothing to close the borders either.

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It just depends on which part of the election cycle you're in... When they need votes, they play to their base and say they'll stop immigration. When they're elected, the immigration continues to stream on in. Case in point: where's the wall?

OlNate said:

It just depends on which part of the election cycle you're in... When they need votes, they play to their base and say they'll stop immigration. When they're elected, the immigration continues to stream on in. Case in point: where's the wall?

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It's in the works (kinda like the Russian investigation), be patient!

Sorry, couldn't help myself.....it was such a good opening. :lol:

Praxas said:

Again, you ignore the potential of someone and instead place value ONLY on how they are trained at the moment. Again, showing your Elitist mentality.

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I have my own business and have never used immigrant help, legal or not.

Until we have less poverty and more jobs for those already here, the rest of the world can fin for itself.

Praxas said:

Have you ever heard of training? Just because someone doesn't have the skills when they come in, doesn't mean they can't learn them here when they come in. If we were to judge the usefulness of some punk con when they are kids I doubt many would still be here.

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Let's extend that training to citizens then. Yeah, I know alot of them dont want it, resist it.

Doesnt matter. For every hardworking immigrant, legal or not, we just enable the habitual welfare abusers. Instead, our investments should be in Americans, not immigrants.

Aristaeus said:

Having a complete halt on immigration would hugely damage the US economy as it would basically halt inward investment overnight. Why would international companies set up offices in the US when they couldn't bring anyone in to oversee the operations?

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Absolutely no one is suggesting that.

holbritter said:

It's in the works (kinda like the Russian investigation), be patient!

Sorry, couldn't help myself.....it was such a good opening. :lol:

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The Russian investigation has been only going on for months. The Republican promise to stop illegal immigration BS promise has been going on for decades.

Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to millions. Bush 2 wanted to give amnesty to millions more. But somehow the Republican voters believe the GOP is 'tough on immigration'.

holbritter said:

It's in the works (kinda like the Russian investigation), be patient!

Sorry, couldn't help myself.....it was such a good opening. :lol:

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I did laugh out loud. I like you holbritter. lolz

Aristaeus said:

Having a complete halt on immigration would hugely damage the US economy as it would basically halt inward investment overnight. Why would international companies set up offices in the US when they couldn't bring anyone in to oversee the operations?

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Can you please explain that to me? Do you have some links?

Yes, esp. in the agricultural industry there would be disruption and higher prices but that labor/economic point is WAY out of balance and needs to be fixed. Solutions are rarely painless but needed nonetheless. The ag economic system is way out of balance and is abusive to the workers.

But I would like to know the broader picture that you seem to imply...I havent seen what you claim...can you provide it?

countryboy said:

The purpose of immigration today, is to create an unbeatable voting block for the Democrat Party. Do you have any more silly questions?

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It's been going on for decades and Republicans even initiated amnesty. (So that woulda been kinda dumb if your claim was true)

Your claim was clearly disproven with the last presidential election.

Lursa said:

It's been going on for decades and Republicans even initiated amnesty. (So that woulda been kinda dumb if your claim was true)

Your claim was clearly disproven with the last presidential election.

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He just proved my point. LOL.. Republican voters believe it's all the Dems fault even though the GOP has been just as complaisant, maybe even more so for illegal immigration.. Yet they somehow get their clueless voters to believe it 's all the Dems fault.

Lursa said:

Let's extend that training to citizens then. Yeah, I know alot of them dont want it, resist it.

Doesnt matter. For every hardworking immigrant, legal or not, we just enable the habitual welfare abusers. Instead, our investments should be in Americans, not immigrants.

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Let me guess you’re one who thinks almost all the immigrants are on welfare right? Hate to dissapoint but the majority on welfare are white folks.

Praxas said:

Let me guess you’re one who thinks almost all the immigrants are on welfare right? Hate to dissapoint but the majority on welfare are white folks.

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Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh! Way wrong answer!



LOL I dont even assume most immigrants arent white.

holbritter said:

I'd like to ask, without the political sniping, what is the purpose of immigration in today's world? Besides the obvious point of diversity. When we have so much poverty, unemployment, lack of affordable housing, massive meat and poultry farming to feed everyone, high cost Medicaid and other social services, I honestly don't see why we just allow so many to immigrate here. It doesn't matter where they are from.

When is this country 'full'?

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Well... actually that's not entirely true. America's very affordable to live in, for a developed nation. Partly because we have so much space, and we aren't actually very densely populated. We also have a much lower unemployment rate than, say, Europe. And on top of that, we also make a lot more food than necessary. A lot of that gets exported, or wasted.

So, there's not really any issue with feeding, employing, and housing people, per se.

We also have a very hard-working immigrant culture. We almost have to, with how hard it really is to immigrate to America. For the most part, we're not paying these people to sit around doing nothing. They're working their asses off and paying taxes. Most immigrants in America actually work more than the natives do.

On top of that, America also has much better success integrating immigrants than most other developed nations do, in part due to the way we handle development. Outlying areas that immigrants can afford (immigrating is insanely expensive and even if you make decent money, you're gonna be tapped out when you land) are much better supported, in our more suburban and rural sort of culture, than they are in highly dense countries. That's why we have less alienation and consequently less radicalization of our immigrants than Europe does.

Immigration has always been a major part of keeping America innovative and on its toes. As much as 50% of our entrepreneurship comes from immigrants. Indeed, encouraging innovative people to move to America is part of what makes it... well, America.

I just don't see the crisis everyone is so worried about. American immigrants are actually uniquely effective and involved in our culture, in a lot of ways.

Obviously we have a lot of problems right now. But frankly, so does the rest of the world, and none of those problems are due to immigration.

Lursa said:

It's been going on for decades and Republicans even initiated amnesty. (So that woulda been kinda dumb if your claim was true)

Your claim was clearly disproven with the last presidential election.

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Lol.....

Lursa said:

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh! Way wrong answer!



LOL I dont even assume most immigrants arent white.

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Then why do you assume they are on welfare?

Praxas said:

Then why do you assume they are on welfare?

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I was referring to the American citizens.