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Border Wall Questions

The Resister

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Given the left's victory on the statue and memorials issue, don't you think Trump's border wall is about to become history?

Wouldn't the left now seize on those border wall efforts to accuse Trump of pandering to racists?

Once the MSM links all the nazi organizations to the past support of the border wall and making a racist referendum, does anyone here think Trump is about to abandon the border wall fight?
 
Given the left's victory on the statue and memorials issue, don't you think Trump's border wall is about to become history?

Wouldn't the left now seize on those border wall efforts to accuse Trump of pandering to racists?

Once the MSM links all the nazi organizations to the past support of the border wall and making a racist referendum, does anyone here think Trump is about to abandon the border wall fight?
Is it going to be an actual wall a metaphorical wall or a virtual wall.

Who is going to pay for the wall US taxpayers Mexico or Mexico through some metaphorical methods.

In all likelihood a couple hundred miles will be built and that is it. Just like the previous attempts
 
Given the left's victory on the statue and memorials issue, don't you think Trump's border wall is about to become history?

Wouldn't the left now seize on those border wall efforts to accuse Trump of pandering to racists?

Once the MSM links all the nazi organizations to the past support of the border wall and making a racist referendum, does anyone here think Trump is about to abandon the border wall fight?

Trump may want a border wall, Trump may want to insure "everybody", Trump may want more infrastructure spending and Trump may even want to step up interior immigration law enforcement, but all of that new spending costs money and yet the biggest Trump "budget" priority is said to be cutting federal taxes. What we have here is a failure to make sense.
 
Given the left's victory on the statue and memorials issue, don't you think Trump's border wall is about to become history?

Wouldn't the left now seize on those border wall efforts to accuse Trump of pandering to racists?

Once the MSM links all the nazi organizations to the past support of the border wall and making a racist referendum, does anyone here think Trump is about to abandon the border wall fight?

What border wall effort? All those invisible trucks delivering loads of vapourous bricks and coils of phantom razor wire?
 
does anyone here think Trump is about to abandon the border wall fight?

I'm doubtful that he had much interest in building any wall.
The wall was just a ploy to fire up his supporters.
I don't believe Trump means a word he says.
 
What border wall effort? All those invisible trucks delivering loads of vapourous bricks and coils of phantom razor wire?

That would be the metaphorical wall, in which Illegal immigrants know they are not welcome in the US and will not try to cross the metaphorical wall that Trumps policies erected
 
Trump may want a border wall, Trump may want to insure "everybody", Trump may want more infrastructure spending and Trump may even want to step up interior immigration law enforcement, but all of that new spending costs money and yet the biggest Trump "budget" priority is said to be cutting federal taxes. What we have here is a failure to make sense.

Donald Trump in a nutshell.
 
What border wall effort? All those invisible trucks delivering loads of vapourous bricks and coils of phantom razor wire?

That was funny no matter what side you're on.
 
Once the MSM links all the nazi organizations to the past support of the border wall and making a racist referendum, does anyone here think Trump is about to abandon the border wall fight?

So many just don't understand Trump...he's a top negotiator and has connections...in fact, maybe he can cut a deal on a good used one ..

berlin wall.jpg
 
Given the left's victory on the statue and memorials issue, don't you think Trump's border wall is about to become history?

Wouldn't the left now seize on those border wall efforts to accuse Trump of pandering to racists?

Once the MSM links all the nazi organizations to the past support of the border wall and making a racist referendum, does anyone here think Trump is about to abandon the border wall fight?
I guess California is racist since it placed a barrier along its southern border years ago. SMFH

Maybe Cesar Chavez is racist since he too wanted illegals sent back and had his cousin guard the southern border.
On a few occasions, concerns that illegal immigrant labor would undermine UFW strike campaigns led to a number of controversial events, which the UFW describes as anti-strikebreaking events, but which have also been interpreted as being anti-immigrant. In 1969, Chavez and members of the UFW marched through the Imperial and Coachella Valleys to the border of Mexico to protest growers' use of illegal immigrants as strikebreakers. Joining him on the march were Reverend Ralph Abernathy and U.S. Senator Walter Mondale.[citation needed] In its early years, the UFW and Chavez went so far as to report illegal immigrants who served as strikebreaking replacement workers (as well as those who refused to unionize) to the Immigration and Naturalization Service.[19][20][21][22][23]

In 1973, the United Farm Workers set up a "wet line" along the United States-Mexico border to prevent Mexican immigrants from entering the United States illegally and potentially undermining the UFW's unionization efforts.[24] During one such event, in which Chavez was not involved, some UFW members, under the guidance of Chavez's cousin Manuel, physically attacked the strikebreakers after peaceful attempts to persuade them not to cross the border failed.[25][26][27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez

Maybe the nazi organizations were mimicking prior Hispanic activity, doing what Chavez was doing. :SHRUG:

Trying to make something racist because you have no viable argument, doesn't make the border wall/fence/barrier, or those for it, racist.
 
I guess California is racist since it placed a barrier along its southern border years ago. SMFH

Maybe Cesar Chavez is racist since he too wanted illegals sent back and had his cousin guard the southern border. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez

Maybe the nazi organizations were mimicking prior Hispanic activity, doing what Chavez was doing. :SHRUG:

Trying to make something racist because you have no viable argument, doesn't make the border wall/fence/barrier, or those for it, racist.

I've asked you before to leave me alone. Questions put forth no argument - viable or otherwise. Please quit trolling me and leave me alone. Show some modicum of respect when people tell you to go away. Ignore me and I'll ignore you.
 
I've asked you before to leave me alone. Questions put forth no argument - viable or otherwise. Please quit trolling me and leave me alone. Show some modicum of respect when people tell you to go away. Ignore me and I'll ignore you.

I simply responded to your OP by answering the questions you put forth. :roll:

You don't have to respond back. :SHRUG:
 
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Given the left's victory on the statue and memorials issue, don't you think Trump's border wall is about to become history?

Wouldn't the left now seize on those border wall efforts to accuse Trump of pandering to racists?

Once the MSM links all the nazi organizations to the past support of the border wall and making a racist referendum, does anyone here think Trump is about to abandon the border wall fight?

Scream racist and stop the border wall? Seem's pretty stupid! One of a nations biggest responsibilities is a secure border.
No one has a right to illegally enter our country. We invite close to a 1 million immigrants legally each year.
A wall in places will help secure our southern border.
 
Scream racist and stop the border wall? Seem's pretty stupid! One of a nations biggest responsibilities is a secure border.
No one has a right to illegally enter our country. We invite close to a 1 million immigrants legally each year.
A wall in places will help secure our southern border.

OMG. What stupidity! This is not a referendum on the silly wall. It's questions about whether or not Trump can sell the wall to Congress after the stunning loss on the statues and memorials issue.

We've litigated the legalities of the nutty wall idea until Hades has become a block of ice. The bottom line, indisputable truth is, it was nazis that instigated the wall idea. It's their baby. It's their legislation. Deny it all you want and let's see how it's interpreted on Capitol Hill.

BTW, if people had no right to come here, banning Muslims would not have to pass muster with the Supreme Court predicated on terms and conditions. Any ban would have been legal. If you have a "legal" case, please initiate a legal action and keep us updated on your progress.
 
OMG. What stupidity! This is not a referendum on the silly wall. It's questions about whether or not Trump can sell the wall to Congress after the stunning loss on the statues and memorials issue.

We've litigated the legalities of the nutty wall idea until Hades has become a block of ice. The bottom line, indisputable truth is, it was nazis that instigated the wall idea. It's their baby. It's their legislation. Deny it all you want and let's see how it's interpreted on Capitol Hill.

BTW, if people had no right to come here, banning Muslims would not have to pass muster with the Supreme Court predicated on terms and conditions. Any ban would have been legal. If you have a "legal" case, please initiate a legal action and keep us updated on your progress.

Buddy if you want to see stupidity read your response.



San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control

Before the fence was built, all that separated that stretch of Mexico from California was a single strand of cable that demarcated the international border.

Back then, Border Patrol agent Jim Henry says he was overwhelmed by the stream of immigrants who crossed into the United States illegally just in that sector.

"It was an area that was out of control," Henry says. "There were over 100,000 aliens crossing through this area a year."

Today, Henry is assistant chief of the Border Patrol's San Diego sector. He says apprehensions here are down 95 percent, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year, largely because the single strand of cable marking the border was replaced by double — and in some places, triple — fencing.

"Here in San Diego, we have proven that the border infrastructure system does indeed work," Henry says. "It is highly effective."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5323928
 
Buddy if you want to see stupidity read your response.



San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control

Before the fence was built, all that separated that stretch of Mexico from California was a single strand of cable that demarcated the international border.

Back then, Border Patrol agent Jim Henry says he was overwhelmed by the stream of immigrants who crossed into the United States illegally just in that sector.

"It was an area that was out of control," Henry says. "There were over 100,000 aliens crossing through this area a year."

Today, Henry is assistant chief of the Border Patrol's San Diego sector. He says apprehensions here are down 95 percent, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year, largely because the single strand of cable marking the border was replaced by double — and in some places, triple — fencing.

"Here in San Diego, we have proven that the border infrastructure system does indeed work," Henry says. "It is highly effective."

San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control : NPR

Just because you don't agree with something does not make it stupid. Are you THAT insecure?
 
Given the left's victory on the statue and memorials issue, don't you think Trump's border wall is about to become history?

Wouldn't the left now seize on those border wall efforts to accuse Trump of pandering to racists?

Once the MSM links all the nazi organizations to the past support of the border wall and making a racist referendum, does anyone here think Trump is about to abandon the border wall fight?

The wall is a moronic idea and people that are educated know better
 
The bottom line, indisputable truth is, it was nazis that instigated the wall idea. It's their baby. It's their legislation. Deny it all you want and let's see how it's interpreted on Capitol Hill.
I have no doubt neo-nazis like the wall but how is it their idea? There are many reasons to build a wall, this is not coming out of thin air.
 
I have no doubt neo-nazis like the wall but how is it their idea? There are many reasons to build a wall, this is not coming out of thin air.

No, it didn't come out of thin air. I've done this umpteen times, so here is a copy and paste from when I answered this with respect to the founders of the idea:


This what Donald Trump said in February of 2016:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBOy8iTBA9g

That was proven false:

Trump's David Duke Amnesia - FactCheck.org

The FACTS show that Trump lied about knowing who David Duke was. He straight up lied. Trump had worked with Duke in the Reform Party, but Trump left on the pretext that he was opposed to Duke.

It don't end there. In 1977 David Duke organized Border Watch, an anti-immigrant effort to man the border, etc. Now, follow with me closely:

* Before David Duke was a KKK leader, he was a member of the Nazi Party. Actually Duke was not a part of the original KKK. He formed his own version and pulled in a lot of his old nazi friends to support his version of the KKK

* In about 2004 Jim Gilchrist and Chris Simcox started the so - called "Minutemen." Jim Gilchrist was a run of the mill racist, nothing special and in 2007 he was fired by the board of Directors of the Minutemen and he went on to try the anti-immigrant thing on his own (more on him later)

* Chris Simcox teamed up with J.T. Ready and formed the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps. In 2006 Simcox petitioned George W. Bush to build a border wall. That became the signature piece of the Minuteman platform and was endorsed by all factions of the Minutemen (and by that time there were several offshoots of the original)

Both Chris Simcox and J.T. Ready were exposed as nazis ... not white supremacists, not racists, not alt right but neo nazis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ6owsJTCYI

https://www.dcourier.com/news/2006/jun/19/minuteman-leader-details-stance-to-county-republi/

Chris Simcox would ultimately go to prison on sex charges while J.T. Ready committed a mass murder and then killed himself:

Ex-Minuteman Chris Simcox sentenced to 19.5 years in child sex-abuse case

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/0...i-kills-four-himself-in-shooting-rampage.html

So, there you have original plan for the border wall idea being developed by a neo nazi and it is the same, identical plan that Donald Trump ran on in his presidential campaign. And there is still more.

ANOTHER of the spin-off anti-immigrant "Minutemen" groups is nazis:


https://shadowproof.com/2008/05/04/another-minuteman-outfit-consorts-with-nazis/

For a moment, let's return to Jim Gilchrist. In 2007, Shawna Forde organized an "Illegal Immigration Summit” in Everett, Washington and the featured speaker was Jim Gilchrist. In 2009 Gilchrist promoted Forde to the position of director of border operations. As fate would have it, Forde was organizing border watches with Glen Spencer in 2007.

In 2009 Shawna Forde (who was friends with J.T. Ready) was convicted of murder for killing a child and an adult on the border:

http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/...cle_6ae561fe-386c-11e0-9555-001cc4c002e0.html

And so, ALL of the Minutemen groups were / are led by nazis. The border wall idea was the nazis idea and the Republicans knew it. Donald Trump, knowing it, endorsed it. The wall idea came about because the nazis dusted off David Duke's Border Watch idea and ran with it. Trump knew it and chose to lie about ever having known Duke until the media called him on it.

But there is much more

Steve Bannon is cozy with the National Alliance. Bannon, is into eugenics:

https://mic.com/articles/168138/steve-bannon-mel-gibson-eugenics-documentary#.pOSlej4HF

The man who finances all of the anti-immigration groups is John Tanton. Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), NumbersUSA and Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) are ALL Tanton enterprises. Without these organizations, the anti-immigrant lobby struggles for talking points. But, so popular in the eugenics crowd, the National Alliance, in 2007, decided to make Bannon their "Caucasian of the Year:"

http://bizstandardnews.com/2017/07/...nce-names-steve-bannon-caucasian-of-the-year/

And therein lies yet another connection between David Duke and Donald Trump. David Duke was a featured speaker on many occasions in National Alliance gatherings:

http://nationalvanguard.org/2015/03/david-duke-talks-to-ray-suarez/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vanguard_(American_organization)

http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com/p/items-for-sale.html
 
I have no doubt neo-nazis like the wall but how is it their idea? There are many reasons to build a wall, this is not coming out of thin air.


It's not coming out of thin air is just coming out of thin brains
 
No, it didn't come out of thin air. I've done this umpteen times, so here is a copy and paste from when I answered this with respect to the founders of the idea:
Okay that is a lot of information to digest and is certainly not common argument I have heard before so I will revisit and comment later when I have more time to scan the narrative but be ready to post that more as again that is not common argument so yes you should expect to to post for an "umpteen time" fi you want people to know what you are talking about.
 
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