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'Undocumented Worker' Arrested for Two Homicides in Virginia[W:258]

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Grand Mal said:
"...that is what business does."
You're very forgiving.
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business seeks the lowest cost possible. if there is someone that will do the job for 15 vs 20 that someone else wants they will go with that person.
 
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ludin said:
business seeks the lowest cost possible. if there is someone that will do the job for 15 vs 20 that someone else wants they will go with that person.
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Breaking the law when they do. Right? Those companies that hire illegal immigrants are just as illegal themselves. Illegal employers.
It's not just a fact of the marketplace. For one thing, if they're competing against another company that only hires Americans, they've taken an illegal advantage against legal American workers.
That's the source of the problem, and as long as it remains profitable ways will be found for them to hire illegals. Go after the root of the problem if you want to solve it. Otherwise, spin your wheels some more.
 
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Crispy said:
Wow, so are you saying that the creation of the northern and southern borders of the United States was motivated by racism? Are all borders separating Nations racist?

Is it racist to require immigrants use a legal method of entering the country for work or school?

Are you saying all these things are motivated by racism?
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They are not motivated by racist since the cultural elite in the USA don't realize that it is racist...
 
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Fledermaus said:
Immoral deportation?

If one is illegally in the country what is immoral about removing them?
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The idea that a person is "illegally" in a country is the problem to begin with...
 
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ludin said:
which ones are those? we have ICS their job is to remove people that do not have permission to be here.
so i am not sure what rogue agency you are referring too.

nor can i really take you serious.
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Not rogue in the sense that they are running amuck in the USA against the USA but in that they are running amuck with regards to immigrants who are "violating" immoral racist immigration policies...
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Anybody trying to break up families...
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They wouldn't have to break up families if these people would just come here legally.
What's so damn difficult about following the law? Become a citizen and you won't have to worry about being torn away from your family.


...has a non-American agenda.
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The rule of law is a "non-American agenda" now?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
By denying people of color access to a better life it is indeed a form of racism...
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White, Black, Brown, Yellow or Purple with Pink stripes....everyone's welcome. Just do it LEGALLY!
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Sanctuary cities protect millions of hard working immigrants from immoral deportations...
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Sanctuary cities protect those first act in the US was breaking the law.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
It is an immoral law to begin with. Borders promote racism, end of story.
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Yeah, like RoadVirus said :doh

Sometimes you make a lot of sense Bodi, then you say something like this and I'm wondering if you share your account with TrigglyPuff.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
They are not motivated by racist since the cultural elite in the USA don't realize that it is racist...
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Huh. So how are you defining racist here? a policy, choice or action that "inadvertently" affects one group more than it does another? I mean, would you consider a policy of opening the southern US border racists because it "inadvertently" creates disadvantage to white Americans? Or is a policy that increases taxes on the elite of the US that in part will increase funds that support immigrants entering the country through the southern border racist against the white elites?

How are you defining racist? Does there need to be a motive? Does there need to be an intent? Or is satisfactory to say if one group gets disadvantaged whether or not there was an intent to do so then it's racist?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Not rogue in the sense that they are running amuck in the USA against the USA but in that they are running amuck with regards to immigrants who are "violating" immoral racist immigration policies...
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So instead of coming up with an argument you come up with nonsense ok.

What racist immigration policies. A policy that applies to anyone that is not allowed to be here is not racist.
You evidently don't understand what that means.
 
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Roadvirus said:
You gotta be kidding me. *mega facepalm*
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This is his try hard mode. He is failing horribly at it.
 
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Roadvirus said:
They wouldn't have to break up families if these people would just come here legally.
What's so damn difficult about following the law? Become a citizen and you won't have to worry about being torn away from your family.



The rule of law is a "non-American agenda" now?
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Coming here legally costs money ... a lot of money that these poor people do not have.
 
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Roadvirus said:
You gotta be kidding me. *mega facepalm*
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why?

Roadvirus said:
White, Black, Brown, Yellow or Purple with Pink stripes....everyone's welcome. Just do it LEGALLY!
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Everyone is not welcome if they are denied access to the country... seems pretty simple.

jimbo said:
Sanctuary cities protect those first act in the US was breaking the law.
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They protect the human rights of the oppressed...
 
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truthatallcost said:
Yeah, like RoadVirus said :doh

Sometimes you make a lot of sense Bodi, then you say something like this and I'm wondering if you share your account with TrigglyPuff.
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I don't see much counter arguing from anybody... just, "you crazy bodi".
 
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ludin said:
So instead of coming up with an argument you come up with nonsense ok.

What racist immigration policies. A policy that applies to anyone that is not allowed to be here is not racist.
You evidently don't understand what that means.
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What what means? How can there be a policy for those in the country that applies to people that are not allowed in the country?

Crispy said:
Huh. So how are you defining racist here? a policy, choice or action that "inadvertently" affects one group more than it does another? I mean, would you consider a policy of opening the southern US border racists because it "inadvertently" creates disadvantage to white Americans? Or is a policy that increases taxes on the elite of the US that in part will increase funds that support immigrants entering the country through the southern border racist against the white elites?

How are you defining racist? Does there need to be a motive? Does there need to be an intent? Or is satisfactory to say if one group gets disadvantaged whether or not there was an intent to do so then it's racist?
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How would opening the southern border disadvantage the ridiculously over advantaged? That doesn't even make sense.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
How would opening the southern border disadvantage the ridiculously over advantaged? That doesn't even make sense.
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I'm not making a point about how the advantaged have advantages, I'm asking whether you would consider a policy that put them at a disadvantage is racist. You clearly feel that it's racist to have borders that affect Hispanic Americans. And you also appear to believe that even if those who created those borders had no intent to adversely affect Hispanic Americans then it's racist none-the-less.

My question is how are you defining racist here? a policy, choice or action that "inadvertently" affects one group more than it does another?

Lets say for arguments sake that an open border policy "not intended" to disadvantage the white privileged, "inadvertently" put them into poverty. Would that be racist?

Can you answer this?
 
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Crispy said:
I'm not making a point about how the advantaged have advantages, I'm asking whether you would consider a policy that put them at a disadvantage is racist. You clearly feel that it's racist to have borders that affect Hispanic Americans. And you also appear to believe that even if those who created those borders had no intent to adversely affect Hispanic Americans then it's racist none-the-less.

My question is how are you defining racist here? a policy, choice or action that "inadvertently" affects one group more than it does another?

Lets say for arguments sake that an open border policy "not intended" to disadvantage the white privileged, "inadvertently" put them into poverty. Would that be racist?

Can you answer this?
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There is no such thing as White Privilege, first of all.

And again... how can the white people with advantage be put at a disadvantage by opening the borders?
 
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PerfectStorm said:
Sanctuary cities are in violation of US immigration laws.
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The left thinks making laws solve the crime problem. Nothing could be more wrong. The enforcement of the law is what solves the crime problem. If we do not enforce our laws there is no need to make laws. They are worthless at best unless enforced.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
There is no such thing as White Privilege, first of all.

And again... how can the white people with advantage be put at a disadvantage by opening the borders?
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Well, I'd say there's a lot of folks who would disagree with you about the existence of White Privilege, but that's another debate (perhaps). That said though you're still dodging the question. So let me try approach more simply in an effort to understand you.

Is it racist to put forward a policy, like drawing up a country's borders, not motivated by racism, and where there is no intent to disadvantage a particular race but, inadvertently affects one race or group?

You don't realize I can't see how you're defining racism. To me racism is proactive. It's deliberate. It's drawing a border because you don't want a certain race in those borders. Is that you think?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
why?



Everyone is not welcome if they are denied access to the country... seems pretty simple.



They protect the human rights of the oppressed...
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They'harboring federal criminals.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Coming here legally costs money ... a lot of money that these poor people do not have.
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I can appreciate this. But, this argues not for illegal immigration but for expanding legal immigration. The US has had many legal immigration expansions that opened our borders to immigrants to meet the need of employment in different job sectors. In fact, our immigration policies, or lack thereof are the most lenient in the modern world.

Does ignoring the illegal side of this in the name of compassion (or because you're calling us racists otherwise) mean that we have to accept that we don't know who is here, how many people are here, and therefore what affect they are truly having on the nation?

What good is it if illegal immigrants fight to come here only to find out they can't get a job because we've got too many people here and not enough jobs to support them?

What good does it do to those in poverty or those who are legal immigrants here already that can't find gainful employment or can't earn a wage that supports their family because the workforce is flooded with workers that suppress the lower end wages? And to be sure it's hurting legal Hispanics and African Americans

Are you concerned about those folks?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
What what means? How can there be a policy for those in the country that applies to people that are not allowed in the country?
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so you can't actually name the policies got it. so you are just ranting over nothing.
 
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