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Trump wants to keep immigrants from getting welfare — which is already law

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[FONT=&quot]President Trump in a rally on Wednesday evening said immigrants who enter the United States should not be eligible for welfare benefits for five years, though such a law has already existed for 20 years.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]“The time has come for new immigration rules which say that those seeking admission into our country must be able to support themselves financially and should not use welfare for a period of at least five years,” Trump told a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa at the U.S. Cellular Center. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The president said his administration would be “putting in legislation to that effect very shortly.” [/FONT][FONT=&quot]But such a law is already in effect and has been in place since 1996. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Known as the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA), the legislation was passed during the administration of former President Bill Clinton and said that an immigrant is “not eligible for any Federal means-tested public benefit” for 5 years, which starts on the date the immigrant enters the country.
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Our President is a ****ing joke. Next thing he'll do is propose that our highways have speed limits :lamo[/FONT]
 
Well, keep in mind, he's a profoundly ignorant, incurious, ill-informed and petulant manchild.

How could he possilby be expected to know that with his particular raft of mental pathologies?
 
I'm almost positive that refugees can get Food Stamps and WIC.. I don't think they can get "general welfare checks".. maybe Trump meant he's going after Food Stamps.

But, without wasteing time on who's right and who's wrong.. what kind of person enters public office with the goal of taking food from kids and breaking families up by deportation? Like, who makes it their mission.. and thinks to themselves.. of all the problems in the world, it's those damn immigrant parents, who are abusing a program that is like .005 of GDP.
 
Subtitle A—Eligibility for Federal Benefits
Sec. 401. Aliens who are not qualified aliens ineligible for Federal public benefits.
Sec. 402. Limited eligibility of qualified aliens for certain Federal programs.
Sec. 403. Five-year limited eligibility of qualified aliens for Federal means-tested
public benefit.
Sec. 404. Notification and information reporting.
Subtitle B—Eligibility for State and Local Public Benefits Programs
Sec. 411. Aliens who are not qualified aliens or nonimmigrants ineligible for State
and local public benefits.
Sec. 412. State authority to limit eligibility of qualified aliens for State public benefits.
Subtitle C—Attribution of Income and Affidavits of Support
Sec. 421. Federal attribution of sponsor’s income and resources to alien.
Sec. 422. Authority for States to provide for attribution of sponsors income and resources
to the alien with respect to State programs.
Sec. 423. Requirements for sponsor’s affidavit of support.
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"Limited eligibility"

Maybe Trump is calling to revamp that? The five year number probably didn't just come out of the air, who knows?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Our President is a ****ing joke. Next thing he'll do is propose that our highways have speed limits :lamo[/FONT][/COLOR]
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In 2012, a lot of the requirements of that law the Gingrich Congress got passed, got gutted by an EO from Pres. Obama. I can guarantee you that today there are immigrants here who have been here less than 5 years who are getting Fed. aid, since I know a couple of them PERSONALLY. Friends of a couple I attend church with who immigrated here from Peru and lost their jobs and are now getting Fed. aid. So the law may be in place, but it's most certainly not being enforced due to Pres. Obama's EO on the matter. Pres. Trump in his speech REPEATEDLY referred to "enforcing existing laws" and this sounds like one of them to me.
 
Refugee "immigrants" don't have a pot to piss in.

I expect that's who he means.

Workaround for his Muslim ban.
 
americanwoman said:
"Limited eligibility"

Maybe Trump is calling to revamp that? The five year number probably didn't just come out of the air, who knows?
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It's probably like his priming the pump comment... he'd never heard it before and just thought of it on his own.
 
:roll: Brilliant Idea Trump, let's have another Air Plane Hanger Rally and call in The Trailers :roll:
 
Winston said:
I'm almost positive that refugees can get Food Stamps and WIC.. I don't think they can get "general welfare checks".. maybe Trump meant he's going after Food Stamps.

But, without wasteing time on who's right and who's wrong.. what kind of person enters public office with the goal of taking food from kids and breaking families up by deportation? Like, who makes it their mission.. and thinks to themselves.. of all the problems in the world, it's those damn immigrant parents, who are abusing a program that is like .005 of GDP.
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Trump was supported by OVER 90% of all law enforcement unions within the US; police support Trump


pretty sweet to know that those that have a gun, laws, courts, juries, the power to VIOLENTLY to take life in mere seconds, EVERYTHING on their side, are the very ones to support a ****ing brain dead moron .............. welcome to America baby ...........
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Our President is a ****ing joke. Next thing he'll do is propose that our highways have speed limits :lamo[/FONT][/COLOR]
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The law currently does not bar states who have received money from the Feds from giving money to immigrants.. In other words states act as the middlemen. Immigrants can also get WIC. If a immigrant has a children born in the US then the immigrant can get foodstamps. So it is false to say immigrants are not getting welfare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act#Immigrant_welfare
A lesser known provision of PRWORA made immigrants entering the United States ineligible for federal welfare funds for five years after arriving in the United States. In light of the restrictions to federal funding under the law, states were allowed to grant aid out of their own funds to address the welfare needs of immigrants.
 
jamesrage said:
The law currently does not bar states who have received money from the Feds from giving money to immigrants.. In other words states act as the middlemen. Immigrants can also get WIC. If a immigrant has a children born in the US then the immigrant can get foodstamps. So it is false to say immigrants are not getting welfare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act#Immigrant_welfare
A lesser known provision of PRWORA made immigrants entering the United States ineligible for federal welfare funds for five years after arriving in the United States. In light of the restrictions to federal funding under the law, states were allowed to grant aid out of their own funds to address the welfare needs of immigrants.
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I realize that you may disagree, but the Courts have said that the immigrants are NOT getting the welfare when their U.S. born children do. That is the courts reasoning. The U.S. born children, being citizens, ARE entitled.

That aside, how many of Obama's Executive Orders has Trump rescinded to date?
 
The Resister said:
I realize that you may disagree, but the Courts have said that the immigrants are NOT getting the welfare when their U.S. born children do. That is the courts reasoning. The U.S. born children, being citizens, ARE entitled.

That aside, how many of Obama's Executive Orders has Trump rescinded to date?
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What court and what case specifically makes that claim?
 
I disagree with the president and the current law. Legal immigrants should be allowed benefits the same as citizens. What good is welfare for their children if their parents starve to death.

Legal immigrants are here permanently and usually will become citizens. The key is legal immigrants.

Not people who overstay their temporary visa trying to circumvent our immigration laws. Not border jumping lawless aliens with no respect for the people of this country who made those laws. Not aliens visiting committing statutory rape and having anchor babies with minors to stay in this country and circumvent our immigration laws. Not aliens visiting while pregnant to again circumvent our immigration laws. We need to put a stop to all the underhanded sneaky lawless people taking advantage of our good will to circumvent our laws.
 
The Resister said:
I realize that you may disagree, but the Courts have said that the immigrants are NOT getting the welfare when their U.S. born children do. That is the courts reasoning. The U.S. born children, being citizens, ARE entitled.

That aside, how many of Obama's Executive Orders has Trump rescinded to date?
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Again states are allowed to grant aid out of their "own" funds to illegals. So saying illegals and immigrants can't get welfare is a lie.
 
jamesrage said:
Again states are allowed to grant aid out of their "own" funds to illegals. So saying illegals and immigrants can't get welfare is a lie.
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I'm not asking about federal laws. I'm asking how many Executive Orders has Trump rescinded.

As for states, I personally don't worry about what states outside my own do. If they can afford the undocumented population, that is their business. If the citizenry don't like it, election cycles come around every two years. Furthermore, if you take ALL welfare out of the hands of the federal government, it will be easier for the people to make the decisions as to who they think should qualify.
 
jamesrage said:
Again states are allowed to grant aid out of their "own" funds to illegals. So saying illegals and immigrants can't get welfare is a lie.
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Saying they can't get state aid is incorrect.

Saying they can't get federal aid, with a few exceptions, is correct.

Also, if the children are born in the US, then they are US citizens, and are eligible for federal aid.

I strongly suspect that the federal government cannot stop from states setting up their own safety nets for recent immigrants.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I disagree with the president and the current law. Legal immigrants should be allowed benefits the same as citizens. What good is welfare for their children if their parents starve to death.

Legal immigrants are here permanently and usually will become citizens. The key is legal immigrants.

Not people who overstay their temporary visa trying to circumvent our immigration laws. Not border jumping lawless aliens with no respect for the people of this country who made those laws. Not aliens visiting committing statutory rape and having anchor babies with minors to stay in this country and circumvent our immigration laws. Not aliens visiting while pregnant to again circumvent our immigration laws. We need to put a stop to all the underhanded sneaky lawless people taking advantage of our good will to circumvent our laws.
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What you're saying is not totally correct. Between 1986 and 2001 America offered SEVEN amnesties to allow undocumented people to get citizenship. IIRC, far less than half of those eligible applied and the figure may have been as many as seventy percent never applied.

It's pretty common to find undocumented foreigners who have children and grand-children born in the United States. As I see it, we're bass ackwards on this: this year some 780,000 people will become citizens of the United States. Maybe half that number will be allowed to come in and work (excluding agricultural workers.) I think we have the equation 180 degrees opposite of what it should be.
 
The Resister said:
I'm not asking about federal laws.
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Federal law itself says it can not go directly to immigrant and illegal immigrants. It says nothing what the state can do with that money after the feds hand the money to the states.


I'm asking how many Executive Orders has Trump rescinded.
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Enacting new executive orders and repealing old ones might be a good start. But if we get another illegal alien testicle licker in office then those anti-illagal immigration executive orders mean nothing. Which is why the house and senate must create a bill cementing into law once the president signs it,.

As for states, I personally don't worry about what states outside my own do. If they can afford the undocumented population, that is their business.
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Saying that it is their business is idiotic. Because when they give to illegals they encourage more people to come here illegally which spills over into my state. Plus elected officials have no business kissing up to people who are not here legally.Heck they don't even have any business kissing up to non-citizens who are here legally.
 
jamesrage said:
Federal law itself says it can not go directly to immigrant and illegal immigrants. It says nothing what the state can do with that money after the feds hand the money to the states.




Enacting new executive orders and repealing old ones might be a good start. But if we get another illegal alien testicle licker in office then those anti-illagal immigration executive orders mean nothing. Which is why the house and senate must create a bill cementing into law once the president signs it,.

Saying that it is their business is idiotic. Because when they give to illegals they encourage more people to come here illegally which spills over into my state. Plus elected officials have no business kissing up to people who are not here legally.Heck they don't even have any business kissing up to non-citizens who are here legally.
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The people living in other states have an opposing opinion. Suppose that I buy into your proposition. Then there is no such thing as states rights. That is a dangerous precedent.
 
The Resister said:
The people living in other states have an opposing opinion. Suppose that I buy into your proposition. Then there is no such thing as states rights. That is a dangerous precedent.
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States do not have the right to encourage other countries to flood their citizens into our country.
 
jamesrage said:
States do not have the right to encourage other countries to flood their citizens into our country.
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Sorry, but that is incorrect.

They are not empowered to change federal law, so they can't grant residency or citizenship (of course).

However, if the governor of a state says "Hey immigrants, come on in, the weather's fine!" that is 100% legal.
 
Visbek said:
Saying they can't get state aid is incorrect.

Saying they can't get federal aid, with a few exceptions, is correct.

Also, if the children are born in the US, then they are US citizens, and are eligible for federal aid.

I strongly suspect that the federal government cannot stop from states setting up their own safety nets for recent immigrants.
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I read jamesrage's comment and he actually says that States can grant aid, you saying that he is saying they cant get State aid, is incorrect.

Children born in the US are presumed to be citizens, yet the states and feds don't require citizenship status to attain aid, they simply are qualified or are not to receive aid. There are certain requirements to be met to be qualified. An unauthorized person here can qualify for Federal aid simply if they are paroled for 1 year while they wait for their court hearing. DACA recipients qualify for aid. The State doesn't ask the status of the person, they simply qualify or they don't, so an unauthorized family here with children, whether born here or not, can qualify for State aid (not all States have the same requirements).
 
Visbek said:
Sorry, but that is incorrect.

They are not empowered to change federal law, so they can't grant residency or citizenship (of course).

However, if the governor of a state says "Hey immigrants, come on in, the weather's fine!" that is 100% legal.
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Are you claiming that a State, or a Governor of a State, can tell a foreign country, yes send us your people? A Governor can not invite foreigners into this country to take up residence, nor can they grant naturalization to them, even you admit that. They can only invite them to visit the state if they are allowed in through the visa programs.
 
jamesrage said:
States do not have the right to encourage other countries to flood their citizens into our country.
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IF you can prove that they do, you would have a cause of action.
 
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