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Tough Anti-Sanctuary Bill Clears Texas Senate, Governor Eager To Sign

SenorXm/Sirius said:
They're not enforcing that law though.

So instead they're passing a new law to go after cops and local officials? Weak.
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Local officials thwarting federal authority, in the fine tradition of Little Rock, Arkansas. Eisenhower called out the National Guard. Would you prefer that?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
What part of "forced" do you not understand? I still believe communities are free to use their law enforcement resources to enforce federal laws voluntarily. I can't imagine a single jurisdiction not chipping in to help on a kid napping.

Cities shouldn't be forced to help ICE catch illegal immigrants. But they can if they want.
Cities shouldn't be forced to help the DEA enforce federal anti-marijuana laws. But they can if they want.
Cities shouldn't be forced to help enforce federal magazine size restrictions. But they can if they want.
Cities shouldn't be forced to help the IRS apprehend federal income tax evaders. But they can if they want.
Cities shouldn't be forced to help the US Postal Inspector investigate mail fraud. But they can if they want.

And it goes both way. The Feds have no obligation to help local authorities enforce their speed limits, property taxes, zoning laws or any other local laws and codes.

And again. It doesn't mean I think they should be prohibited from doing so. It means I think they shouldn't be forced to do so.
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If all city and state officers helped enforce federal laws what would be the big deal? If its voluntary then you have places do and other not, which breeds law choice for political gain. Again whats the problem with in being mandatory?
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
You can go to jail for riding in a car while intoxicated in some states. I picked up a friend at a club at around 2:00 AM proceeded to take him home and got pulled over for DUI. After the cop determined I was sober my drunken friend was removed from the vehicle and taken to jail. I was informed that you cannot even be a passenger in a car drunk. It held up in court in Texas. So keep that in mind nest time you get drunk.
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Wow thats a horrible law
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
You can go to jail for riding in a car while intoxicated in some states. I picked up a friend at a club at around 2:00 AM proceeded to take him home and got pulled over for DUI. After the cop determined I was sober my drunken friend was removed from the vehicle and taken to jail. I was informed that you cannot even be a passenger in a car drunk. It held up in court in Texas. So keep that in mind nest time you get drunk.
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Hmmm. Then what's the point of calling a taxi for a drunk?
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I think the idea is you are not supposed to get drunk in public. Just an opinion. But I assure you it did happen to me. This year I went to the insurance driver safety thing for us old people to get a discount and the officer made reference to similar laws making the owner of the vehicle responsible even if someone else drives your car. I think he said if you are drunk and let someone else drive who is drunk you will get a DUI. I am not making this up. Maybe a police officer could verify and explain. Another new law is you cannot pass a stopped police car with the lights on until he waves you by. You might be surprised at all the new laws. I guess this is the reason to go to these classes.
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My understanding of that law is that if you own the vehicle and are inside the vehicle and the driver is drunk you can also be held reposible. But if the driver is sober and can legally drive then passengers have the right to be drunk. Just my understanding
 
nota bene said:
Just FYI, not everybody entering the United States illegally even from south of the border is a "brown person."

And the key word here isn't "brown"; it's "illegally."
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Shhhh...you're ruining his race card strategy!
 
Praxas said:
For traffic stops who do you think is going to be picked for background checks a white person or brown skinned person? Be honest
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Every time I get stopped by a cop I get background check done on me. Every time. Want to know how I know? They always mention my own criminal conviction from over 20 years ago. Last time I got stopped was because I came into town with my brights on. Officer said that was an indication of intoxication. I laughed. Unfortunately that just seemed to make the officer more suspicious because he then asked if I had smoked any marijuana (I laughed again) and even claimed that my eyes weren't focusing properly and he smelled it. I knew the whole time that he was lying and just trying to find anything that he could pin on me that he could. In the end he of course had to let me go as there was no evidence that I was actually intoxicated.

And guess what...I'm white. Looks like your racist race card was once again torn up and thrown in the garbage.
 
Praxas said:
For traffic stops who do you think is going to be picked for background checks a white person or brown skinned person? Be honest
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The honest answer is "Everybody." With computers in their patrol cars, being run for priors is SOP.
 
Jack Hays said:
Local officials thwarting federal authority, in the fine tradition of Little Rock, Arkansas. Eisenhower called out the National Guard. Would you prefer that?
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Businesses and employers who use illegals are a bigger problem and if the BUSINESS friendly State of Texas went after them the whole problem with illegals would go away in a month, tops.

But the BUSINESS friendly State of Texas won't go after the BUSINESSES hiring illegals. There are FED laws on the books to fine businesses who hire illegals. How come Texas doesn't enforce those laws?

We know why.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Businesses and employers who use illegals are a bigger problem and if the BUSINESS friendly State of Texas went after them the whole problem with illegals would go away in a month, tops.

But the BUSINESS friendly State of Texas won't go after the BUSINESSES hiring illegals. There are FED laws on the books to fine businesses who hire illegals. How come Texas doesn't enforce those laws?

We know why.
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I disagree.
 
Jack Hays said:
Hmmm. Then what's the point of calling a taxi for a drunk?
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I guess there is a lot better chance of not getting pulled over or getting into an accident in a taxi.

To be honest I think this was a bad cop. I believe most police do not enforce the law and are glad to see you are not driving. This cop was across the street sitting in a parking lot watching people leaving. That is why we got pulled over in the first place. Even after calling me my friend had second thoughts about driving and we argued a little in the parking lot. I pointed out the cop which was the factor for him finally letting me drive him home. I was not weaving or driving erratic at all. The cop assumed I was there drinking and was a sure DUI. When he finally determined I was sober after accusing me if being drunk over and over he took my friend. We went to court but lost.

I was an MP and we encouraged any soldiers who got drunk to call for a ride. Your CO may have you doing extra detail but you didn't go to jail.
 
Praxas said:
Ah yes the smell of fascism against brown people. I bet all the white people will be asked to "show their papers" at traffic stops.

I'm ok with checking status if you are detained for an actual crime or arrested but for traffic stops that is simply stupid.
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Enforcing the law is fascism? Why the **** don't you move somewhere lawless like Somalia, and then let me know how that works out for you?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
What part of "forced" do you not understand? I still believe communities are free to use their law enforcement resources to enforce federal laws voluntarily. I can't imagine a single jurisdiction not chipping in to help on a kid napping.

Cities shouldn't be forced to help ICE catch illegal immigrants. But they can if they want.
Cities shouldn't be forced to help the DEA enforce federal anti-marijuana laws. But they can if they want.
Cities shouldn't be forced to help enforce federal magazine size restrictions. But they can if they want.
Cities shouldn't be forced to help the IRS apprehend federal income tax evaders. But they can if they want.
Cities shouldn't be forced to help the US Postal Inspector investigate mail fraud. But they can if they want.

And it goes both way. The Feds have no obligation to help local authorities enforce their speed limits, property taxes, zoning laws or any other local laws and codes.

And again. It doesn't mean I think they should be prohibited from doing so. It means I think they shouldn't be forced to do so.
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Read the Constitution, because I know you haven't. Congress has the power over immigration law (the clause right after the Commerce Clause), and thus can pass any necessary and proper law to carry out this power. That includes forcing local authorities to cooperate. So if you hide an illegal alien to thwart federal authorities, you could be charge under a felony as an accessory. Illegal aliens are not following immigration law, which makes them criminals.
 
American said:
Read the Constitution, because I know you haven't. Congress has the power over immigration law (the clause right after the Commerce Clause), and thus can pass any necessary and proper law to carry out this power. That includes forcing local authorities to cooperate. So if you hide an illegal alien to thwart federal authorities, you could be charge under a felony as an accessory. Illegal aliens are not following immigration law, which makes them criminals.
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And apparently you didn't read what I wrote in this thread. I was clear that I was talking about my own ideology and the way I think things should be. I never claimed it was unconstitutional or even illegal.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
And apparently you didn't read what I wrote in this thread. I was clear that I was talking about my own ideology and the way I think things should be. I never claimed it was unconstitutional or even illegal.
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Well in that case the budget should be no more than $1.5T and defense being about $1T of that.
 
Personally, I wouldn't, & don't care what color you are, if you're here illegally, & have police contact, & are found to be here illegally, you gotta go.

The shame here, is that a state legislature would even need to pass legislation essentially stating that the state will follow the law.
 
Praxas said:
For traffic stops who do you think is going to be picked for background checks a white person or brown skinned person? Be honest
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All the cops I know run checks on everyone and for sure anyone that gives them suspicion. Most have already run your plate before they even put the lights on. They usually already know who owns the car before they walk up to it. Problems start when the person is not the person who owns the car and starts trying to give false information.
 
reinoe said:
You're completely unhinged. IN 99% of all traffic stops there is a background check to see if there's an existing warrant.
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Not against passengers in the car.
 
American said:
Enforcing the law is fascism? Why the **** don't you move somewhere lawless like Somalia, and then let me know how that works out for you?
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Why the **** don't you leave he country period. The country would be a better place without you here. You aren't American you're fascist, change your name.
 
jamesrage said:
This is good news. Hopefully other states follow suite.Sanctuary states and cities are a scourge that act as illegal alien magnets.


Texas Senate Passes Anti-Sanctuary Bill, Abbott To Sign | The Daily Caller
The Texas Senate passed Wednesday a bill that bans sanctuary cities throughout the state, clearing the last legislative roadblock for the controversial measure and sending it to Gov. Greg Abbott’s desk for final approval.
In a 20-11 party line vote, Republican state senators adopted the House version of a bill that prescribes tough penalties for local officials who refuse to cooperate with federal immigration authorities. Senate Bill 4 also gives police the power to inquire about the immigration status of anyone they detain or arrest, including the subjects of traffic stops.
Abbott, who has backed the effort from the beginning, tweeted that he was getting his signing pen “warmed up” to make the bill a law.
SB4 is the nation’s first state-level law that bans sanctuary jurisdictions and threatens to jail police chiefs and county sheriffs if they refuse to cooperate with federal immigration authorities. Texas Republicans say the potential for jail time is necessary to dissuade officials in liberal jurisdictions from endangering public safety in the name of political gain.
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Won't pass the smell test in the SC. If an officer asked me my citizenship during a traffic stop I would tell him it is none of his/her business, Period, or ask them to prove that they are one, either way it will not go well. Let's see Your Papers, smacks of a totalitarian society that might need to be torn down by whatever means is required.
 
Casper said:
Won't pass the smell test in the SC. If an officer asked me my citizenship during a traffic stop I would tell him it is none of his/her business, Period, or ask them to prove that they are one, either way it will not go well. Let's see Your Papers, smacks of a totalitarian society that might need to be torn down by whatever means is required.
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Hope you have bail money!
 
Why, yes I do, thanks for asking, I also have a Damn Good Lawyer who would be happy to kill an Unconstitutional law. Pssst, it would be obvious that I am not an illegal, hence no cause to even ask, but my Niece would not, based only on her looks. I guess some of us would just go along with the government no matter what they say, some of us will Not. This will get shot down, AZ tried it and lost, Texas will lose this also.
 
Casper said:
Why, yes I do, thanks for asking, I also have a Damn Good Lawyer who would be happy to kill an Unconstitutional law. Pssst, it would be obvious that I am not an illegal, hence no cause to even ask, but my Niece would not, based only on her looks. I guess some of us would just go along with the government no matter what they say, some of us will Not. This will get shot down, AZ tried it and lost, Texas will lose this also.
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Wait a second here....you don't look like an illegal? But your niece would....What exactly does an illegal look like Casper? Oh wait...this must be another race card being used. :roll: Last I knew everyone that gets pulled over gets their license checked. At the SAME time that their license is checked their background is checked. Doesn't matter what skin color a person has. It's done on everyone. And there is nothing unconstitutional about it. Even a crappy lawyer would be able to tell you that so your "Damn Good Lawyer" should definitely be able to also.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Wait a second here....you don't look like an illegal? But your niece would....What exactly does an illegal look like Casper? Oh wait...this must be another race card being used. :roll: Last I knew everyone that gets pulled over gets their license checked. At the SAME time that their license is checked their background is checked. Doesn't matter what skin color a person has. It's done on everyone. And there is nothing unconstitutional about it. Even a crappy lawyer would be able to tell you that so your "Damn Good Lawyer" should definitely be able to also.
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I am a German by Birth and raised a Texan. My Niece is half and half, white and Mexican, she has dark skin and hair, could be an illegal in some peoples eyes, American as any of us. Clear enough for ya? Yes there is something unconstitutional about it, ask Arizona, they tried it, and failed. My lawyer is one of many waiting for the just that sort of case to take before the SC, they are assured of a win.
 
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