Sanctuary Cities are racist against the black community.

[Fishking]

So this is something I've not heard of until recently and looking into it it seems as if illegal immigration is disproportionately harming the black community in the U.S. I don't think it's racist, per se, as the woman in the video states but that it represents systemic oppression to black workers.

Thoughts?

 

[Van Basten]

I don't support sanctuary cities, but nah, this isn't how you criticize them.

 

[ecofarm]

Unskilled and undocumented workers disproportionately affect the poor, who would presumably compete in that job market. Is racism a factor? Sure. But I don't think racism is the source of the conflict between undocumenteds and blacks.

Of course not clicking youtube crap. Perhaps a journal article on the subject? I can find a crazed person saying absolutely anything, on any grounds, on youtube.

 

[Fishking]

Unskilled and undocumented workers disproportionately affect the poor, who would presumably compete in that job market. Is racism a factor? Sure. But I don't think racism is the source of the conflict between undocumenteds and blacks.

Of course not clicking youtube crap. Perhaps a journal article on the subject? I can find a crazed person saying absolutely anything, on any grounds, on youtube.

Clicking on a video was super hard? Well...*shrug*

| National Review

How Illegal Immigration Hurts Black America

 

[WCH]

It's discriminatory to all of us but, it's probably karma from affirmative action.

 

[Fishking]

I don't support sanctuary cities, but nah, this isn't how you criticize them.

Yeah...I'm ignoring the whole "Go Trump!" side of it and am more looking at the validity of the claim. So far it seems to hold at least some water. It make sense intuitively if you think about who competes for what jobs and who that would disproportionately effect.

 

[chuckiechan]

So this is something I've not heard of until recently and looking into it it seems as if illegal immigration is disproportionately harming the black community in the U.S. I don't think it's racist, per se, as the woman in the video states but that it represents systemic oppression to black workers.

Thoughts?

I've been saying that for years. Our LA factory in 2000 was are fairly even mixture of black, white, Asian, and legal mostly native hispanics. By 2010, it was 100% Mexican, mostly green cards. They hate blacks and asians, and only put up with whites because we are paying them.

 

[Beaudreaux]

She makes some pretty good points. One of the exceptions would be the "thank God for Trump" part, IMHO. Her position would have been stronger without bringing POTUS politics into her statement.

BTW, for the record, the term in the law is "alien" not 'worker' and they are "illegal aliens" not "undocumented" immigrants, or workers, or whatever PC term folks prefer to use. They broke the law, and they are aliens in this country, hence, illegal aliens.

If they don't want to be called an illegal alien then leave, or better yet, don't cross the border illegally or overstay your visa in the first place.

 

[ecofarm]

BTW, for the record, the term in the law is "alien" not 'worker' and they are "illegal aliens" not "undocumented" immigrants, or workers, or whatever PC term folks prefer to use. They broke the law, and they are aliens in this country, hence, illegal aliens.

You miss the point. A person cannot be illegal. Acts are illegal, some objects are illegal to possess (still the act of possession is illegal not the object really) but human beings (persons) aren't illegal. The terminology is to suggest their existence, and not just location, is illegal. There is illegal immigration but not illegal people. If you can grasp this feat of grammatical understanding, you can see how undocumented aliens or immigrants makes more sense.

It's not a trick, a ruse, by some opaque and largely clandestine thought control project enacted by evil-doers and their lazy cronies. It's just making sense and avoiding a logically embarrassing misnomer.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You miss the point. A person cannot be illegal. Acts are illegal, some objects are illegal to possess (still the act of possession is illegal not the object really) but human beings (persons) aren't illegal. The terminology is to suggest their existence, and not just location, is illegal. There is illegal immigration but not illegal people. If you can grasp this feat of grammatical understanding, you can see how undocumented aliens or immigrants makes more sense.

It's not a trick, a ruse, by some opaque and largely clandestine thought control project enacted by evil-doers and their lazy cronies. It's just making sense and avoiding a logically embarrassing misnomer.

yes they can, by crossing the border without authorization or committing visa fraud.

 

[ecofarm]

yes they can, by crossing the border without authorization or committing visa fraud.

Only acts can be illegal. A person cannot be illegal. We don't refer to criminals as illegal people. There's no "an illegal citizen was arrested today for shoplifting. The illegal citizen will be taken to jail".

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Only acts can be illegal. A person cannot be illegal. We don't refer to criminals as illegal people. There's no "an illegal person was arrested today for shoplifting. The illegal citizen will be taken to jail".

the act of being an alien in this country without legal authorization is illegal, and as long as you in the country you are in a continuing state of committing the crime until you are no longer an alien unlawfully in the country, hence illegal alien.

once you're caught and arrested for shoplifting you are no longer in a continuing state of shoplifting, that act has been terminated by the arrest.

much like you cease to be an illegal alien if you leave the country for one you're authorized to be in.

 

[ecofarm]

the act of being an alien in this country without legal authorization is illegal, and as long as you in the country you are in a continuing state of committing the crime until you are no longer an alien unlawfully in the country, hence illegal alien.

once you're caught and arrested for shoplifting you are no longer in a continuing state of shoplifting, that act has been terminated by the arrest.

much like you cease to be an illegal alien if you leave the country for one you're authorized to be in.

If you broke a law (but not yet caught), would you be an illegal citizen? We don't hold a person, in and of themselves, illegal for breaking a law; except in the case of immigration. Show me another case where an individual person is labelled illegal.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

If you broke a law (but not yet caught), would you be an illegal citizen? We don't hold a person, in an of themselves, illegal for breaking a law; except in the case of immigration. Show me another case where an individual person is labelled illegal.

the person is in and of themselves illegal because as long as they are in this country their very presence is illegal, it is not any act they're presently committing per se that's illegal, it's the mere presence here. there is no other law where that is the illegal behavior.

 

[ecofarm]

the person is in and of themselves illegal because as long as they are in this country their very presence is illegal, it is not any act they're presently committing per se that's illegal, it's the mere presence here. there is no other law where that is the illegal behavior.

I understand they didn't come, and do not remain, here legally. You don't need to explain that to anyone.

The problem is labeling a person, as opposed to an act, illegal. A person cannot be illegal, in and of themselves, because that doesn't make sense.

I don't understand why this would need to be explained twice. If a citizen is in the act of a crime, let's say embezzlement, they are not an illegal citizen. Even though they are currently engaged in a crime, we do not refer to them, as a person, as illegal. If committing a crime, in the past or currently, makes one illegal then why aren't there illegal citizens? Because committing a crime doesn't make a person, themselves, illegal.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I understand they didn't come, and do not remain, here legally. You don't need to explain that to anyone.

The problem is labeling a person, as opposed to an act, illegal. A person cannot be illegal, in and of themselves, because that doesn't make sense.

I don't understand why this would need to be explained twice.

A distinction without a difference is what I would call that.

 

[ecofarm]

A distinction without a difference is what I would call that.

The distinction is an understanding that acts, not people, are illegal. Further, no other group of people are referred to as illegal. This is a distinction reserved for "outsiders". Other criminals are not referred to as illegal people.

 

[ecofarm]

A distinction without a difference is what I would call that.

Another distinction, of some importance, to which you pay no heed (why?).

Alien, in today's world, refers to something entirely more different that ourselves. While an alien might be someone from a totally different place (alienation and other such terms illustrate the element of uniqueness or overwhelming difference) mere decades ago, we know today that people from other parts of the continent and even world are not really that different than ourselves. So, the term alien serves to alienate in at least two ways:

1. The word 'alien', today, refers to a different species from outer space.

2. The terrestrial outsider is not as different as we once imagined.

Thus, the term alien serves to marginalize people as "the other, not like us". That's why using the term is not helpful. Immigrants is fine and less of a general term; the term alien is subjective in general context, the term immigrant is not subjective and context is inherently defined.

So, undocumented immigrants. Of course, immigration without documentation is illegal - everywhere. We're not forgetting about any crimes; the term undocumented immigrant is the crime itself in the designation.

One can continue to use the grammatical and contextual (respectively) error "illegal aliens", but it looks stupid to continue after having it explained.

 

[Beaudreaux]

You miss the point. A person cannot be illegal. Acts are illegal, some objects are illegal to possess (still the act of possession is illegal not the object really) but human beings (persons) aren't illegal. The terminology is to suggest their existence, and not just location, is illegal. There is illegal immigration but not illegal people. If you can grasp this feat of grammatical understanding, you can see how undocumented aliens or immigrants makes more sense.

It's not a trick, a ruse, by some opaque and largely clandestine thought control project enacted by evil-doers and their lazy cronies. It's just making sense and avoiding a logically embarrassing misnomer.

No. I understand the anti-border socialist left's purpose of equivocating and lessening the action of entering and staying in this country illegally, hence their use of terms like "undocumented" instead of illegal, and "immigrant" or "worker" instead of alien.

The term illegal alien is a description of status within this country. Just as some people are citizens, some people are legal immigrants that followed the law, and some people are legal aliens with green cards or visas allowing them to be here, some people within our borders are illegal aliens because they have either entered the country illegally and stayed here illegally, or they entered the country as a legal alien with a visa and then stayed beyond the visa time limit which changed their status from a legal alien to an illegal alien.

The PC BS of saying that a person cannot be illegal is like saying a person cannot be a felon, or a parolee, or an inmate. Illegal alien is a description of status, and to use other descriptors that lessen the truth or obliterate the truth is both dishonest and insulting to the truth of fact.

 

[Socrates1]

So this is something I've not heard of until recently and looking into it it seems as if illegal immigration is disproportionately harming the black community in the U.S. I don't think it's racist, per se, as the woman in the video states but that it represents systemic oppression to black workers.

Thoughts?

Actually they harm TAXPAYERS !!!

 

[code1211]

So this is something I've not heard of until recently and looking into it it seems as if illegal immigration is disproportionately harming the black community in the U.S. I don't think it's racist, per se, as the woman in the video states but that it represents systemic oppression to black workers.

Thoughts?

Obviously a Trump supporter spreading propaganda.

 

[ecofarm]

The PC BS of saying that a person cannot be illegal is like saying a person cannot be a felon, or a parolee, or an inmate.

No, it would be like saying a person cannot be a felony.

 

[Beaudreaux]

No, it would be like saying a person cannot be a felony.

Way off. If you had said that it's like calling a person a felon, then I would agree. Illegal alien is a status, not an action. Felon is a proper name for a type of person, a status (Proper Noun), where felony (depending on the form used) is a the name of a type of act under law (noun) a quantification of an action (adverb) or it can be a descriptor of an act (Adjective). Basic grammar - a Proper Noun versus an adjective or adverb. Although the word felony can be used as a noun when describing an the action of breaking a law, it is not used as a noun when referring to a person.


FELON - noun

1. Law. a person who has committed a felony.

2. Archaic. a wicked person.

FELONY -- noun, plural felonies. Law.

1. an offense, as murder or burglary, of graver character than those called misdemeanors, especially those commonly punished in the U.S. by imprisonment for more than a year.

2. Early English Law. any crime punishable by death or mutilation and forfeiture of lands and goods.

Related forms;

feloniously, adverb

feloniousness, noun

nonfelonious, adjective

nonfeloniously, adverb

nonfeloniousness, noun

unfelonious, adjective

unfeloniously, adverb

Improper entry by alien into the US and then not leaving (the act) creates an "]Illegal Alien (the person). The term Alien is the legal term according to 8 U.S. Code § 1101(a)(3) - The term “alien” means any person not a citizen or national of the United States. The term "Illegal Alien" is also used in the law. As one example, Illegal Alien is used in the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 - Public Law 104–208. Just click the previous link and do a search for the term Illegal Alien. In fact, as I sowed above, there are even parts of the US Code that have the term Illegal Alien in the title of sections of the code - 8 U.S. Code § 1252c - Authorizing State and local law enforcement officials to arrest and detain certain illegal aliens, Which defines an Illegal Alien as: 8 U.S. Code § 1252c(a)(1) is an alien illegally present in the United States.

 

[Henrin]

Another distinction, of some importance, to which you pay no heed (why?).

Alien, in today's world, refers to something entirely more different that ourselves. While an alien might be someone from a totally different place (alienation and other such terms illustrate the element of uniqueness or overwhelming difference) mere decades ago, we know today that people from other parts of the continent and even world are not really that different than ourselves. So, the term alien serves to alienate in at least two ways:

1. The word 'alien', today, refers to a different species from outer space.

2. The terrestrial outsider is not as different as we once imagined.

Thus, the term alien serves to marginalize people as "the other, not like us". That's why using the term is not helpful. Immigrants is fine and less of a general term; the term alien is subjective in general context, the term immigrant is not subjective and context is inherently defined.

So, undocumented immigrants. Of course, immigration without documentation is illegal - everywhere. We're not forgetting about any crimes; the term undocumented immigrant is the crime itself in the designation.

One can continue to use the grammatical and contextual (respectively) error "illegal aliens", but it looks stupid to continue after having it explained.

This is going to shock you, but...

Alien -

1. a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization (distinguished from citizen ).
2. a foreigner.
3. a person who has been estranged or excluded.
4. a creature from outer space; extraterrestrial.

 

[ocean515]

So this is something I've not heard of until recently and looking into it it seems as if illegal immigration is disproportionately harming the black community in the U.S. I don't think it's racist, per se, as the woman in the video states but that it represents systemic oppression to black workers.

Thoughts?

Absolutely agree with this conclusion. It's a proven fact here in Southern California.

The rise in illegal immigration, and the rewarding of this group by the left, has left black communities reeling, and has been crushing to their prosperity, and the quality of education in there communities.

This fact is being ignored, and I hope Black Communities recognize they have been played by the left for decades.

I can't picture Blacks turning to the Republican Party, but I hope they refuse to go along with the carrot and string the left has been dangling before them for all these years.

IMO, it is absolutely despicable.