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Trump Tells DHS To Prepare For Border Wall Construction

NIMBY said:
Did you miss his North Korean/China nuclear ****-up yesterday and breaking a promise tomorrow that he won't discuss Russian hacking.

I'm sure it's hard for trumpistan to keep up with his mouth .
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Tell me why this supposed "North Korean/China nuclear ****-up" has your panties in a bunch.
 
I don't care what shape, size or color the wall is. What's most important is that it stems the flood of illegal immigration across the border.
That's the measure of success. Real success.

To believe that Trump doesn't know this, is underestimating him, yet again, and I have a feeling that you'll be surprised and unprepared as to his results, yet again.

Isn't it time to wise up a little bit? I mean suite yourself, but . . . .
 
Ikari said:
Pffft, best get some ground penetrating radar equipment too in order to detect the tunnels going under said wall.
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Tunneling would only be effective if the exits of the tunnels could be concealed by structures. In open areas, for example where the border passes through desert, cameras or other devices overhead could detect people as they came out of the ground and direct authorities posted nearby to apprehend them. Overcoming tunnels in built-up areas is much harder, because all structures would have to be removed to a distance far enough from the border on the U.S. side as to make it impractical to build a tunnel long enough to come up inside one of them. That would probably mean clearing a strip wider than would be needed for an interstate highway, and condemning such a large area of urban land would be very expensive.
 
matchlight said:
Tunneling would only be effective if the exits of the tunnels could be concealed by structures. In open areas, for example where the border passes through desert, cameras or other devices overhead could detect people as they came out of the ground and direct authorities posted nearby to apprehend them. Overcoming tunnels in built-up areas is much harder, because all structures would have to be removed to a distance far enough from the border on the U.S. side as to make it impractical to build a tunnel long enough to come up inside one of them. That would probably mean clearing a strip wider than would be needed for an interstate highway, and condemning such a large area of urban land would be very expensive.
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Lotta coke is coming through tunnels into the US. I can't copy and paste on this device but google brings up lots of examples. With a wall overhead, each wetback might be packing a couple of keys.
 
Grand Mal said:
Lotta coke is coming through tunnels into the US. I can't copy and paste on this device but google brings up lots of examples. With a wall overhead, each wetback might be packing a couple of keys.
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To be useful, any tunnel would need to have an exit in U.S. territory. There is a maximum length beyond which digging a tunnel is not practical, at least without very large and expensive equipment which is hard to conceal. That means the exit could not be too far into U.S. territory. If it were not covered by a structure, anyone coming out of it, especially in desert areas where there is not much vegetation to hide in, could be detected. Walls can be effective barriers to the movement of people--the Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall, the Berlin Wall, and the recent wall in Israel are several examples.
 
Ikari said:
I mean if the goal is to embarrass America and upset the international community unnecessarily, then yes.
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As a card carrying, bone fide member of the international community Ikari I would like to assure you that I find the idea of a country controlling its borders not in the least upsetting. But I understand your fear that a wall would make it more difficult for you to escape from the USA. Do you think you will be shot if you tried to cross it, just like Germans were when they wanted to flee the GDR?
 
matchlight said:
To be useful, any tunnel would need to have an exit in U.S. territory. There is a maximum length beyond which digging a tunnel is not practical, at least without very large and expensive equipment which is hard to conceal. That means the exit could not be too far into U.S. territory. If it were not covered by a structure, anyone coming out of it, especially in desert areas where there is not much vegetation to hide in, could be detected. Walls can be effective barriers to the movement of people--the Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall, the Berlin Wall, and the recent wall in Israel are several examples.
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Well, they just found one near San Diego that went about a half-mile and came up in the US in a fenced-in lot in a pallet business.

Huge US-Mexico drugs tunnel found in San Diego - BBC News

The report says it's the 13th found along the California border since '06. There's been others found in Arizona.

Coke Smugglers Dig Tunnels, Use Nogales Sewers To Get Into US

The ones in this report went into the Nogales sewers.
Tunnels have been found under the DMZ in Korea as well.
As for the Berlin Wall, if you're willing to light it up full length with line-of-sight gun emplacements and machine gun anyone who approaches it, you could have that amount of success, yes.
 
Grand Mal said:
Well, they just found one near San Diego that went about a half-mile and came up in the US in a fenced-in lot in a pallet business.

Huge US-Mexico drugs tunnel found in San Diego - BBC News

The report says it's the 13th found along the California border since '06. There's been others found in Arizona.

Coke Smugglers Dig Tunnels, Use Nogales Sewers To Get Into US

The ones in this report went into the Nogales sewers.
Tunnels have been found under the DMZ in Korea as well.
As for the Berlin Wall, if you're willing to light it up full length with line-of-sight gun emplacements and machine gun anyone who approaches it, you could have that amount of success, yes.
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By the way, a lot of drugs also come into the US via cargo ships and cartel boats.

A giant wall won't stop that.
 
Ikari said:
Pffft, best get some ground penetrating radar equipment too in order to detect the tunnels going under said wall.
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OMG! That won't be possible! It's hopeless!
 
Ikari said:
Talking with Taiwan wasn't very diplomatic and has already put China on the defensive. North Korea is biding its time. Mexico is rather upset with his ideals. There's the whole Russia thing and the call for proliferation of nuclear arms.

Are you really paying attention? Doesn't seem so.
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He's been up China's butt from the get-go. No surprise they don't like him but, they will deal in the end.

If it weren't for the foreign policies of the past, NK wouldn't be a problem.
 
WCH said:
He's been up China's butt from the get-go. No surprise they don't like him but, they will deal in the end.
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Or we all will if we're not careful.

WCH said:
If it weren't for the foreign policies of the past, NK wouldn't be a problem.
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No need to exacerbate it. Particularly if we're also stirring the hornets nest with China. If we were going to be on good terms with China, they may have let us deal with NK. But if they're on the defensive with us, they may end up being on the defensive with NK.
 
MaggieD said:
OMG! That won't be possible! It's hopeless!
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lol, not hopeless, just expensive. How many units would we need to properly patrol that wall we're also going to be paying for since there's no way to make Mexico pay for it?
 
Ikari said:
Or we all will if we're not careful.



No need to exacerbate it. Particularly if we're also stirring the hornets nest with China. If we were going to be on good terms with China, they may have let us deal with NK. But if they're on the defensive with us, they may end up being on the defensive with NK.
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We've played this China/NK game for decades now. A different approach seems logical.
 
Ikari said:
lol, not hopeless, just expensive. How many units would we need to properly patrol that wall we're also going to be paying for since there's no way to make Mexico pay for it?
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Through trade deal reconfiguration, yes we can make them play.
 
Ikari said:
lol, not hopeless, just expensive. How many units would we need to properly patrol that wall we're also going to be paying for since there's no way to make Mexico pay for it?
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Explosives and tunnels don't get along...

If we keep more illegal immigrants out of this country, Mexico will pay. Fewer ESL classes ...fewer unpaid ER visits ...fewer crimes ...but most of all?? The American people happy their nation is more sovereign ...worth plenty. Oh!! And we'll save all that Federal money we're giving to Sanctuary Cities and probably get rid of some Democratic politicians in them come next election.
 
WCH said:
We've played this China/NK game for decades now. A different approach seems logical.
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Maybe a "different" approach, but I'm not sure a reckless one. We'll see how it all goes in the end.
 
MaggieD said:
Explosives and tunnels don't get along...

If we keep more illegal immigrants out of this country, Mexico will pay. Fewer ESL classes ...fewer unpaid ER visits ...fewer crimes ...but most of all?? The American people happy their nation is more sovereign ...worth plenty. Oh!! And we'll save all that Federal money we're giving to Sanctuary Cities and probably get rid of some Democratic politicians in them come next election.
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So now we're going to be blowing them up? I mean, they'd have to be explored first, yes? You cannot explode a tunnel that may have people with it.

So now we have the wall, some untold number of ground-radar devices to sense tunnels, exploratory teams to close tunnels down, and explosives to detonate them under the wall above, which we're going to assume will cause no structural problems. Yes. Great.
 
Ikari said:
So now we're going to be blowing them up? I mean, they'd have to be explored first, yes? You cannot explode a tunnel that may have people with it.

So now we have the wall, some untold number of ground-radar devices to sense tunnels, exploratory teams to close tunnels down, and explosives to detonate them under the wall above, which we're going to assume will cause no structural problems. Yes. Great.
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Not to mention the wall workers being gunned down or a portion of a wall that was just built being blown up by the cartels. Add those issues in as well.
 
Ikari said:
So now we're going to be blowing them up? I mean, they'd have to be explored first, yes? You cannot explode a tunnel that may have people with it.

So now we have the wall, some untold number of ground-radar devices to sense tunnels, exploratory teams to close tunnels down, and explosives to detonate them under the wall above, which we're going to assume will cause no structural problems. Yes. Great.
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I see, yeah. It's better to let them in. Why didn't I think of that? Mind if they move into your house?
 
americanwoman said:
Not to mention the wall workers being gunned down or a portion of a wall that was just built being blown up by the cartels. Add those issues in as well.
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Good points. The Cartels are at the heart of much of this. They must be dealt with.
 
MaggieD said:
I see, yeah. It's better to let them in. Why didn't I think of that? Mind if they move into your house?
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I like the false dichotomy. Well no one claimed intellectual honesty was a hallmark of the partisan.
 
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