Obama’s Somail Muslim rapes woman on a bus in Minneapolis

Mustachio said:

That's all rhetoric. Nothing that you said is factually rooted in data or it promotes isolationism and I believe is fundamentally... evil I guess is the word. Remember the American dream where somebody comes to this country with a few dollars in their pocket and then is able to work hard enough to be a great asset to this country? I've worked with people like that, I know people like that, and at least one of my great grandparents did that. This new wave of isolationism in favor of thinking that America is better off and safer by rejecting immigrants who can't "help us" (when? immediately?) will likely accomplish neither and, as stated earlier, is a cruel and Scrooge-like thinking to be seasonal. My concern is that you're arguing from a white nationalist perspective, but I really don't know.

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Why do you resent this country so much that you want it to admit even aliens who there is reason to believe will probably do more harm than good, once here? It should be obvious that Americans are better off excluding aliens, unless they are likely to be a net benefit to this country. It is our nation's well-being I am concerned about. The well-being of other nations is their concern.

You can be sure I will give your condescending and sophomoric pap about whether I am a white nationalist, or whether my views on this subject are evil, or cruel, all the weight it deserves.

matchlight said:

Why do you resent this country so much that you want it to admit even aliens who there is reason to believe will probably do more harm than good, once here? It should be obvious that Americans are better off excluding aliens, unless they are likely to be a net benefit to this country. It is our nation's well-being I am concerned about. The well-being of other nations is their concern.

You can be sure I will give your condescending and sophomoric pap about whether I am a white nationalist, or whether my views on this subject are evil, or cruel, all the weight it deserves.

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That's fine. Telling a refugee who just saw his family murdered "why should we accept you? What are you going to do for America?" That just seems evil to me. If it doesn't to you, or 90% of people agree with you, or 90% of people agree with me, it's just my opinion.

There's a myth that it's easy to legally obtain citizenship. It's not. It's very difficult. I think every immigrant I know left their family behind except one woman whose husband made it and she was hoping her family would get it within the decade. They were from Ethiopia and were doing well in real estate. But how would you know whether or not they'd be beneficial to the country? They wanted to come here, jumped through the hoops and make way, way more money than I do. Hey, I'm a patriot, I love America, and the Somali community here - and the Hmong community in St. Paul which is huge - have made fantastic cultural contributions to our city. I feel terrible for the woman who got raped on the bus but everybody I know who has been a victim of sexual assault was assaulted by a naturally born caucasian American. That doesn't mean we should kick out caucasians unless they "benefit" us. That's not a country I want to live in. And judging by our conversation, it doesn't sound like you personally know or talk to immigrants and I do. You seem to be of a totally different generation so our views are going to be very different.

But give me some data or statistics and maybe I'll understand the logic behind your viewpoint. Otherwise, like I initially said, it's all rhetoric and no real meat.

Mustachio said:

That's fine. Telling a refugee who just saw his family murdered "why should we accept you? What are you going to do for America?" That just seems evil to me. If it doesn't to you, or 90% of people agree with you, or 90% of people agree with me, it's just my opinion.

There's a myth that it's easy to legally obtain citizenship. It's not. It's very difficult. I think every immigrant I know left their family behind except one woman whose husband made it and she was hoping her family would get it within the decade. They were from Ethiopia and were doing well in real estate. But how would you know whether or not they'd be beneficial to the country? They wanted to come here, jumped through the hoops and make way, way more money than I do. Hey, I'm a patriot, I love America, and the Somali community here - and the Hmong community in St. Paul which is huge - have made fantastic cultural contributions to our city.

I feel terrible for the woman who got raped on the bus but everybody I know who has been a victim of sexual assault was assaulted by a naturally born caucasian American.

That doesn't mean we should kick out caucasians unless they "benefit" us. That's not a country I want to live in. And judging by our conversation, it doesn't sound like you personally know or talk to immigrants and I do. You seem to be of a totally different generation so our views are going to be very different.

But give me some data or statistics and maybe I'll understand the logic behind your viewpoint. Otherwise, like I initially said, it's all rhetoric and no real meat.

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You don't know any women who were raped by a black guy?

Not even one?

Anyway the difference between a rapist who is a US citizen and a foreigner like the somali is that the citizen was born in America and has a right to be here no matter what you or I think about him.

Whereas the somali has no right to be here unless we allow it.

And we have allowed far too many in recent years

Mac77 said:

You don't know any women who were raped by a black guy?

Not even one?

Anyway the difference between a rapist who is a US citizen and a foreigner like the somali is that the citizen was born in America and has a right to be here no matter what you or I think about him.

Whereas the somali has no right to be here unless we allow it.

And we have allowed far too many in recent years

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I understand the point you're making, and the point I'm making is that my experiences have been that the people I personally know who have harmed others all have a right to be here - they were born here. And all the women who I know were raped and will talk about it (with me or my girlfriend) were indeed raped by white men. Who have a right to be here and should be in prison. Anybody who portrays the Twin Cities Somalian community as disrespectful of our nation or a bunch of criminals has never been here. They are a large community who work hard and are very kind and respectful as a rule. I'm sure there are exceptions but a bad cab ride is the only instance I can complain about.

Mustachio said:

I understand the point you're making, and the point I'm making is that my experiences have been that the people I personally know who have harmed others all have a right to be here - they were born here. And all the women who I know were raped and will talk about it (with me or my girlfriend) were indeed raped by white men. Who have a right to be here and should be in prison. Anybody who portrays the Twin Cities Somalian community as disrespectful of our nation or a bunch of criminals has never been here. They are a large community who work hard and are very kind and respectful as a rule. I'm sure there are exceptions but a bad cab ride is the only instance I can complain about.

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Do you think those Twin City Somalis consider themselves American or Somali? Do they prefer US law or Sharia law? (In your opinion) Im just asking since there are a TON of videos with interviews with Somalis in the US that say they LOVE it here...but are still Somali and still prefer Sharia to American law. That reflects recent polling in the UK. SO...just curious about your opinion.

Mustachio said:

I understand the point you're making, and the point I'm making is that my experiences have been that the people I personally know who have harmed others all have a right to be here - they were born here. And all the women who I know were raped and will talk about it (with me or my girlfriend) were indeed raped by white men. Who have a right to be here and should be in prison. Anybody who portrays the Twin Cities Somalian community as disrespectful of our nation or a bunch of criminals has never been here. They are a large community who work hard and are very kind and respectful as a rule. I'm sure there are exceptions but a bad cab ride is the only instance I can complain about.

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I don't want to argue about the Somalis who are already here

If some work hard, many are on welfare, some are rapists and a few are Muslim fanatics who kill Americans

I do not propose to deport any immigrant who is here legally and does not break the law

But for now and the foreseeable future NO MORE

Put an end to the the refugee immigration exemption, along with chain migration called family reunification where Uncle Abdullah gets sponsored by his nephew mustafa but has no education or skills and can't find a job when he gets here

And there must be absolutely no tolerance for illegal aliens

They must be deported without question

I worked with immigrants/refugees and studied immigration for over 20 years. There has always been a perception and/or reality that immigrants commit crimes out of proportion to their population. Ben Franklin complained about German immigrants. A New York newspaper editorialized that police would have nothing to do if it weren't for immigrants... this was in the mid 1800s and the paper spoke of Irish and Germans. (Check out "A Nation of Strangers," by Ellis Cose.). Vietnamese and Cuban refugees have organized or joined gangs. The original "Scarface" movie was about an Italian gangster, the sequel about a Cuban. Two of the few organized crime figures to be executed in the 20th century were immigrants or sons of immigrant Jews, if I remember correctly. There is room in America for all types of rascals. And, of course, there was Einstein.

But refugees (other than Cubans, to the best of my knowledge) receive greater screening than almost any other immigrants. Just google it to find out.

VanceMack said:

Do you think those Twin City Somalis consider themselves American or Somali? Do they prefer US law or Sharia law? (In your opinion) Im just asking since there are a TON of videos with interviews with Somalis in the US that say they LOVE it here...but are still Somali and still prefer Sharia to American law. That reflects recent polling in the UK. SO...just curious about your opinion.

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Most of my interactions with Somalians have been through my second time through college. They were definitely not in favor of Sharia law. You know how some people will never touch alcohol because their parent was an alcoholic? That's kind of like the way the Somalians I knew felt. They felt democracy was way better, they didn't want the government involved in anything except health care, education and defense of the public and private American people.

Never heard anybody mention Sharia law in a positive light. It's a possibility that those who go to the UK are from a different tribe. I don't know their names (the tribes) but one is dominant and they might be less willing to adapt to the western world.

Let me state this one more time. The Somalians I knew really like cell phones. And they definitely get drunk. I don't think you're for Sharia Law if you're a drunk dialing weekend warrior (all a guess).

Mac77 said:

I don't want to argue about the Somalis who are already here

If some work hard, many are on welfare, some are rapists and a few are Muslim fanatics who kill Americans

I do not propose to deport any immigrant who is here legally and does not break the law

But for now and the foreseeable future NO MORE

Put an end to the the refugee immigration exemption, along with chain migration called family reunification where Uncle Abdullah gets sponsored by his nephew mustafa but has no education or skills and can't find a job when he gets here

And there must be absolutely no tolerance for illegal aliens

They must be deported without question

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And how old are you?

Mustachio said:

Most of my interactions with Somalians have been through my second time through college. They were definitely not in favor of Sharia law. You know how some people will never touch alcohol because their parent was an alcoholic? That's kind of like the way the Somalians I knew felt. They felt democracy was way better, they didn't want the government involved in anything except health care, education and defense of the public and private American people.

Never heard anybody mention Sharia law in a positive light. It's a possibility that those who go to the UK are from a different tribe. I don't know their names (the tribes) but one is dominant and they might be less willing to adapt to the western world.

Let me state this one more time. The Somalians I knew really like cell phones. And they definitely get drunk. I don't think you're for Sharia Law if you're a drunk dialing weekend warrior (all a guess).

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I know this is just a selective/selected video...I dont know what percentage this actually represents. I know the British surveys were pretty inclusive.

Mustachio said:

And how old are you?

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What is your reason for asking?

Mac77 said:

What is your reason for asking?

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It seems like you've forgotten why America is a great country.

Mustachio said:

It seems like you've forgotten why America is a great country.

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I'm not 240 years old if thats what it takes to jog ones memory.

21st Century America does not need millions of uneducated poor people the way we did from 1840 to 1920.

The factory that people like that could work in have gone to china and mexico thanks to stupid government decisions

We should welcome the cream de cream of other countries to America along with the immediate family (the wife and children) but others including assylum seekers need not apply

matchlight said:

I think we have a right to ask why Mr. Obama would allow and even encourage violent alien criminals like this to enter U.S. territory and remain here. This is not the first case of bad behavior by a Somali who was allowed to come here. A few years ago, a number of them who had settled in Minnesota attracted the attention of federal agents, who then monitored them as they returned to Somalia to engage in jihad. One of these men was identified in a photo of a training camp there, with a weapon in his hand. He was then hunted down by U.S. forces and disposed of. But just as with the San Bernardino jihadist murderers, the question is why they were ever let into this country in the first place.

The Marxist liar who continues to disgrace the White House seems to sympathize with foreign Muslims who share his resentment of the U.S. To hell with all of them.

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Out of a large number of immigrants, so far we have a minuscule number of law breakers and that describes a people as a whole? What about people that were born here in the US? Should we cut down on a whole ethnicity because of the actions of a low number?

The interesting thing I can't wait to see is when Trump takes office and we don't see that massive deportation, will the next crime constitute a Trump Muslim or will it remain an Obama criminal because Trump didn't go forth with what he said he would--mass deportation?

Mustachio said:

It seems like you've forgotten why America is a great country.

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RE immigration, Id say it is the leftists that have forgotten what has made us such a great country. The US was a prized destination. People came here because they wanted desperately to become Americans. Now...people come her to exploit the American system while trying to create their old world hellholes in America. They arent coming to assimilate.

Bob N said:

Out of a large number of immigrants, so far we have a minuscule number of law breakers and that describes a people as a whole?

What about people that were born here in the US? Should we cut down on a whole ethnicity because of the actions of a low number?

The interesting thing I can't wait to see is when Trump takes office and we don't see that massive deportation, will the next crime constitute a Trump Muslim or will it remain an Obama criminal because Trump didn't go forth with what he said he would--mass deportation?

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That depends on whether the muslim is a legal immigrant or an illegal alien

trump wants to limit immigration from muslim countries and summarily deport illegal aliens

Both of which I support

Mac77 said:

That depends on whether the muslim is a legal immigrant or an illegal alien

trump wants to limit immigration from muslim countries and summarily deport illegal aliens

Both of which I support

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Fine. But i don't see him doing the mass deportation-thing. :shrug:

Bob N said:

Fine. But i don't see him doing the mass deportation-thing. :shrug:

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Of illegal aliens with criminal offenses?

Why not?

The ACLU will resist so it wont happen in the first 100 days but probably before the mid term elections

Other persons here illegally may get to stay longer and some may never have to leave

But some of them will be deported also

Mac77 said:

Of illegal aliens with criminal offenses?

Why not?

The ACLU will resist so it wont happen in the first 100 days but probably before the mid term elections

Other persons here illegally may get to stay longer and some may never have to leave

But some of them will be deported also

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We will have to agree to disagree. I don't think he will do it.

Bob N said:

We will have to agree to disagree. I don't think he will do it.

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Do you expect business as usual?

No wall, no deportations?

Redress said:

You don't care about him, but you mention him with the first word in your thread title.

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And in every post since.

Mac77 said:

That depends on whether the muslim is a legal immigrant or an illegal alien

trump wants to limit immigration from muslim countries and summarily deport illegal aliens

Both of which I support

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A refugee is legal.

coldjoint said:

Obama’s Somail Muslim rapes woman on a bus in Minneapolis – Fire Andrea Mitchell!

3 months in America. Refugees are bad news like the religion they follow.

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We should deport all rapists...

coldjoint said:

I'll answer. He lectures us all the time about Islam. And then what do we see, crap like this.

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Clearly you are unaware of white male Christians, US citizens, born in the USA, that rape women?
As you were not, I was quite happy to broaden your knowledge.

Mac77 said:

Do you expect business as usual?

No wall, no deportations?

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Deportations will not be on a large scale, like Trump suggests, and the wall will be mostly a fence--and I believe that fence-thing has been tried before.