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The Right Way and the Wrong Way?

Patrickt said:
I will stop you right there. If you don't know anyone that's for illegal immigration you haven't been paying attention. Rep. Nancy Pelosi on the occasion of President Obama welcoming illegal aliens to the U.S. said repeatedly that we should have "bridges not borders."

The question has been asked, why don't these people follow the procedures? There are no procedures for the poor, uneducated campesinos. There is the hypocrisy of wanting them to work, since millions of U.S. citizens prefer not working, but not wanting them to be in the U.S. legally.
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I hate to derail this but you bring a perfect example of hypocrisy!! If these illegals left and that means lets use 11million for the heck of it, 11million jobs opened up. Would 11million Americans step in to take those jobs.

Heck no..... because those jobs are beneath them... FACT.


secondly..... the rights afforded to american people to include medical, vacation and even set wages protects the people.... Americans are to lazy to do slave labor and that is why half the jobs are out sourced to people that would rather bust their butts for something small than nothing at all....... Selfish, greedy and entitled Americans....
 
TheGoverness said:
Wanting to grant U.S citizenship for illegal immigrants (as well as their families) who've resided in this country for a certain period of time (AKA Amnesty), is totally not the same thing as saying "I support illegal immigration".
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Nonsense. Amnesty is 100% a pardon for (some or all of) the millions that have committed a criminal act (violated the law). You seem to be saying that adding some kind of (executive order?) statute of limitations for llegal entry is a good idea - that is was OK to have broken the immigration law X days ago (before 12/31/2008?) but not X-1 days ago (after 1/1/2009?) is completey illogical. You either have laws that you intend to enforce or you do not.
 
TheGoverness said:
Because it is downright unfeasible to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants living here in the U.S. It's not a viable solution. And when I say that these people have been here for a "certain period of time", I'm talking about people who have made their entire livelihood here, as well as their families. These individuals have already integrated into our society.

And I do believe that these individuals should be given a (fair and reasonable) path to obtain US citizenship. I agree 11million in one shot is pretty intense, I doubt that would happen even if he stated that they are all gone, It would take years to sift through them all. As for integration I get it, but again, they have used resources that could have been used for those citizens that were legal waiting for 4 hours in the ER. They used resources that could have been for those that actually pay and report their taxes. etc etc etc. What gives them the option now, after breaking the law for 20+ years for a reasonable path to citizenship. If that is they case, then while they do have a reasonable path, they should reasonably pay what they used while not a legal citizen.



For that problem, I believe the solution for that could be work-place enforcement. This way, if companies aren't hiring illegal immigrants because of legal regulations (such as being required to identify the legal status of their employees, facing penalties if they fail to do so), there won't be much of an incentive for them to come to the U.S, since they won't be able to get a job.
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This Is great, better response than some of the candidates ever gave LOL. But.... I go back to my other post. We kick out the cheap labor and those that rather do any labor for something than nothing and realistically will the American people just walk right in there to do the same job for the same money..... nope cause they are lazy and entitled, its sorta a lose lose situation.
 
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TheGoverness;1066453351 I don't know anyone that's [i said:
for[/i] illegal immigration. What people are against is Trump's plan of deporting 11 million people who have already very much integrated into our society, as well as building a giant ineffective wall on our Southern Border, that will do nothing to stop illegals or drugs from getting into the United States.
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I do know people who are for illegal immigration

But if deporting any of the 11 to 30 million illegal aliens is your only objection to trump then you should not object to a wall to keep out new illegals from adding to the problem

And I think the price of amnesty should be a lifetime ban on US citizenship who accept the amnesty
 
exactice said:
crap i forgot a couple things, 1) im learning, so yes i need to do my homework so im am trying to educate myself. 2) i was corrected, yes its not illegal immigrants that we disagree on its actual immigration period. Sorry about that!

i have a question to those that are for illegal immigration.

Recently i "heard" so an so is sad or worried if trump gets in, he will deport her parents immediately, because they are illegal immigrants, while she was born here in america and is a citizen.

My some what direct question is, if she is worried about her parents being deported, why did or why is her parents not going through the proper immigration process?



If the people that are worried about being deported now because of threat of deportation, why are they not trying to go through the due process. Secondly, if deportation was always a fear, why did they not go through the process when they came into america. As they say its only illegal until you are caught. So i am supposed to feel bad that your parents will get deported because you failed to follow the rules set forth by this country? And only now under threat of deportation its a big huge problem?


Im sure there are many many many excuses...... But the fact of the matter is, there is a process.... To those that will question me. Yes, i have actively gone through the process and well aware of all that it takes to legally migrate here. I have experienced all the visa processes, paid my fair share of those cost, along with the long lines, interviews, waiting, applications etc etc.


Why did i have to go through this process? Why did i have to pay? What is the point of having any of these processes if those that came in illegally, are able to naturalize. Secondly, they still got jobs "they have been working here in america for 20+ years" somehow they got jobs even though they didnt go through the process. Somehow they got treated at hospitals and got the necessary care when they were sick? Why do i have to go through all the processes that i did, if they got the same opportunities that i had but yet are not bound to the same rules and regulations set forth?


Tl : Dr

you (general you, not actual you) are worried about being deported, why did you not go through the due process? What is your excuse and now fear of deportation what steps are being taking to avoid it?
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tl;dr
 
Exactice said:
This Is great, better response than some of the candidates ever gave LOL. But.... I go back to my other post. We kick out the cheap labor and those that rather do any labor for something than nothing and realistically will the American people just walk right in there to do the same job for the same money..... nope cause they are lazy and entitled, its sorta a lose lose situation.
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Stop the red font.

Annoys.
 
SMTA said:
You just described every politician. Ever.
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So what?

Right now I'm talking about Hillary. Besides, do you excuse her actions because "everyone else does it"?
 
Mycroft said:
So what?

Right now I'm talking about Hillary. Besides, do you excuse her actions because "everyone else does it"?
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You need to recognize the fact that they are all lying bastard.
 
SMTA said:
You need to recognize the fact that they are all lying bastard.
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I do.

However, that doesn't excuse Hillary. Or...does it?
 
SMTA said:
What part of all was confusing, pray tell?
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What part of "this conversation is about Hillary" is confusing to you?

Look...I rejected your deflection a bunch of posts ago. Why do you continue to push it?
 
Mycroft said:
What part of "this conversation is about Hillary" is confusing to you?

Look...I rejected your deflection a bunch of posts ago. Why do you continue to push it?
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Nothing to deflect, just fact.

Try reading again, albeit slower.

Much slower.
 
Exactice said:
Crap I forgot a couple things, 1) Im learning, so yes I need to do my homework so Im am trying to educate myself. 2) I was corrected, yes its not illegal immigrants that we disagree on its actual immigration period. Sorry about that!

I have a question to those that are for illegal immigration.

Recently I "Heard" so an so is sad or worried if trump gets in, He will deport her parents immediately, because they are illegal immigrants, while she was born here in America and is a citizen.

My some what direct question is, if she is worried about her parents being deported, why did or why is her parents not going through the proper immigration process?



If the people that are worried about being deported now because of threat of deportation, why are they not trying to go through the due process. Secondly, if deportation was always a fear, why did they NOT go through the process when they came into America. As they say its only illegal until you are caught. So I am supposed to feel bad that your parents will get deported because you failed to follow the rules set forth by this country? And only now under threat of deportation its a big huge problem?


Im sure there are many many many excuses...... but the fact of the matter is, there is a process.... to those that will question me. Yes, I have actively gone through the process and well aware of all that it takes to legally migrate here. I have experienced all the Visa processes, paid my fair share of those cost, along with the long lines, interviews, waiting, applications etc etc.


Why did I have to go through this process? Why did I have to pay? What is the point of having any of these processes if those that came in illegally, are able to naturalize. Secondly, they still got jobs "They have been working here in america for 20+ years" Somehow they got jobs even though they didnt go through the process. Somehow they got treated at hospitals and got the necessary care when they were sick? Why do I have to go through all the processes that I did, if they got the same opportunities that I had but yet are not bound to the same rules and regulations set forth?


TL : DR

You (General you, not actual you) are worried about being deported, why did you NOT go through the due process? what is your excuse and now fear of deportation what steps are being taking to avoid it?
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I know many children who do help their parents try to get green cards or work visas. It isn't always easy but some are able to get them. Others, I have no idea and I'm not going to ask because frankly I don't care.
 
americanwoman said:
I know many children who do help their parents try to get green cards or work visas. It isn't always easy but some are able to get them. Others, I have no idea and I'm not going to ask because frankly I don't care.
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And great, they are trying, so that is the point, some people make the effort, others dont. As for getting it, again yes, I do understand the challenges as I have witness the process first hand.


With that......That is the risk the families took in the first place..... so why again should I empathize with those that have a fear of deportation when they are taking the risk first hand? Thats my point. Just doesnt seem fair to the thousands that have gone through the process or the ones that are trying now to make things right,


20000 visa a year but 11million to get amnesty, thats a pretty huge number.... Secondly, why are their visa limitation per year in the first place? I would assume to screen and make sure people that should not be coming in are not along with the continuity of the system as well....(resources, logistics etc)
 
We can call it even!, With that why should I feel bad for those threaten with deportation?
 
Exactice said:
Crap I forgot a couple things, 1) Im learning, so yes I need to do my homework so Im am trying to educate myself. 2) I was corrected, yes its not illegal immigrants that we disagree on its actual immigration period. Sorry about that!

I have a question to those that are for illegal immigration.

Recently I "Heard" so an so is sad or worried if trump gets in, He will deport her parents immediately, because they are illegal immigrants, while she was born here in America and is a citizen.

My some what direct question is, if she is worried about her parents being deported, why did or why is her parents not going through the proper immigration process?



If the people that are worried about being deported now because of threat of deportation, why are they not trying to go through the due process. Secondly, if deportation was always a fear, why did they NOT go through the process when they came into America. As they say its only illegal until you are caught. So I am supposed to feel bad that your parents will get deported because you failed to follow the rules set forth by this country? And only now under threat of deportation its a big huge problem?


Im sure there are many many many excuses...... but the fact of the matter is, there is a process.... to those that will question me. Yes, I have actively gone through the process and well aware of all that it takes to legally migrate here. I have experienced all the Visa processes, paid my fair share of those cost, along with the long lines, interviews, waiting, applications etc etc.


Why did I have to go through this process? Why did I have to pay? What is the point of having any of these processes if those that came in illegally, are able to naturalize. Secondly, they still got jobs "They have been working here in america for 20+ years" Somehow they got jobs even though they didnt go through the process. Somehow they got treated at hospitals and got the necessary care when they were sick? Why do I have to go through all the processes that I did, if they got the same opportunities that I had but yet are not bound to the same rules and regulations set forth?


TL : DR

You (General you, not actual you) are worried about being deported, why did you NOT go through the due process? what is your excuse and now fear of deportation what steps are being taking to avoid it?
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Its the "What about the children" tactic that pro-illegals use to try to win sympathy. There are a couple million people behind bars who because of their actions resulted in their families being broken up. I do not think any of those pro-illegal alien butt kissers would say you can't lock up that murderer,burglar, arsonist, bank robber or etc he has kids. But the difference between the criminal behind bars and the criminals called illegal alien is that illegal aliens can take their kids with them when they go back to their country of origin.
 
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