Out of control: 480,000 overstayed visas last year...

jamesrage · Nov 17, 2016

JANFU said:
Nope- He is well known for that

Pro-illegals are known for lying their ass off about opponents of illegal immigration.

Napoleon · Nov 17, 2016

jamesrage said:
If cost was no issue to our government then we wouldn't be trillions in debt. Nor would we be giving away nearly 50 billion dollars to other countries in the form of military assistance and foreign aid.

A border wall has no return on investment unlike the other things you mentioned. And it's not only a money pit, it's also ineffective.

Mac77 · Nov 17, 2016

Napoleon said:
A border wall has no return on investment unlike the other things you mentioned. And it's not only a money pit, it's also ineffective.

The first step in first aid is to stop the bleeding

A wall prevents a revolving door where we deport them and they just come back across the following week

Common Sense 1 · Nov 17, 2016

Napoleon said:
A border wall has no return on investment unlike the other things you mentioned. And it's not only a money pit, it's also ineffective.

Oh you are completely wrong with your assessment.

San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control
April 6, 2006

San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control : NPR

"It was an area that was out of control," Henry says. "There were over 100,000 aliens crossing through this area a year."

Today, Henry is assistant chief of the Border Patrol's San Diego sector. He says apprehensions here are down 95 percent, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year, largely because the single strand of cable marking the border was replaced by double — and in some places, triple — fencing.

The first fence, 10 feet high, is made of welded metal panels. The second fence, 15 feet high, consists of steel mesh, and the top is angled inward to make it harder to climb over. Finally, in high-traffic areas, there's also a smaller chain-link fence. In between the two main fences is 150 feet of "no man's land," an area that the Border Patrol sweeps with flood lights and trucks, and soon, surveillance cameras.

"Here in San Diego, we have proven that the border infrastructure system does indeed work," Henry says. "It is highly effective."

Mac77 · Nov 17, 2016

Common Sense 1 said:
Oh you are completely wrong with your assessment.

San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control
April 6, 2006

San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control : NPR

"It was an area that was out of control," Henry says. "There were over 100,000 aliens crossing through this area a year."

Today, Henry is assistant chief of the Border Patrol's San Diego sector. He says apprehensions here are down 95 percent, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year, largely because the single strand of cable marking the border was replaced by double — and in some places, triple — fencing.

The first fence, 10 feet high, is made of welded metal panels. The second fence, 15 feet high, consists of steel mesh, and the top is angled inward to make it harder to climb over. Finally, in high-traffic areas, there's also a smaller chain-link fence. In between the two main fences is 150 feet of "no man's land," an area that the Border Patrol sweeps with flood lights and trucks, and soon, surveillance cameras.

"Here in San Diego, we have proven that the border infrastructure system does indeed work," Henry says. "It is highly effective."

As I'm sure you already know the fence is only needed in urban areas

Out in the desert no physical barrior is required

Just electronic survielence and a highly mobile quick reaction team of border agents

Caine · Nov 17, 2016

PIPEWRENCH said:
Look at the numbers. They are Christians but not white. You have 10's of millions of one race and then you have everyone else who do not amount anywhere near those numbers. 10"s of thousands would be a major problem. 10's of millions is catastrophe on an epic scale. When the number of lawless people entering your country exceeds the population of a lot of countries that is an invasion. I think our military should be used to stop this invasion of catastrophic proportions.

If we do need millions of workers in this country let's bring them in legally. Lets make industry pay them a livable wage. Lets have them pay their fair share of taxes to maintain the infrastructure of our country. Right now we have millions of people on welfare and unemployed because industry will not pay them a livable wage. Lets offer these people a chance at the American Dream first. Or do you contend all these people on welfare and unemployed are just lazy. I am more than willing to pay a little more for goods and services if it will put a citizen to work making a livable wage as productive part of our country rather than a burden.

All of this rambling did nothing to explain why you think whites aren't capable of breaking laws.

jamesrage · Nov 17, 2016

Napoleon said:
A border wall has no return on investment unlike the other things you mentioned.

A wall on the border means our border is no longer a revolving door. It also means it will be easier for our border agents to maintain security on our border. So it is a lie to say there is no return on investment.

And it's not only a money pit, it's also ineffective.

That's what every pro-illegal and open border supporter claims.

Common Sense 1 · Nov 17, 2016

Mac77 said:
As I'm sure you already know the fence is only needed in urban areas

Out in the desert no physical barrior is required

Just electronic survielence and a highly mobile quick reaction team of border agents

No I don't know that and would disagree with your assessment.

Napoleon · Nov 17, 2016

jamesrage said:
A wall on the border means our border is no longer a revolving door. It also means it will be easier for our border agents to maintain security on our border. So it is a lie to say there is no return on investment.

That's what every pro-illegal and open border supporter claims.

That's because it is absolutely true. We spent billions on a border wall boondoggle under Bush and guess what happened? Immigrants climbed over it, tunneled under it, and bore through it. A physical or electronic barrier is worthless when you don't have the boots on the ground to monitor it. Pointing out those fatal flaws doesn't make anyone "pro-illegal."

PIPEWRENCH · Nov 17, 2016

Caine said:
All of this rambling did nothing to explain why you think whites aren't capable of breaking laws.

Sorry it is not rambling but facts. I have yet to come across a white person here illegally. I can't even keep count of how many Hispanics I have caught, seen, and know who are here illegally. While I have a lot of Hispanic friends and family I have at least twice as many white friends and family. I am sure there are a few white people who are here illegally. I am also willing to bet the number is no where near the number of Hispanic. I am willing to cash in some IRA's on that bet.

Mac77 · Nov 17, 2016

Common Sense 1 said:
No I don't know that and would disagree with your assessment.

There is no reason to build a wall in the middle of the desert

JANFU · Nov 17, 2016

jamesrage said:
Pro-illegals are known for lying their ass off about opponents of illegal immigration.

Are you in a polite way saying I am lying or that I have a pro illegal agenda???

DA60 · Nov 17, 2016

Yup...never trust a hotel wake up call.

Common Sense 1 · Nov 18, 2016

Mac77 said:
There is no reason to build a wall in the middle of the desert

Yes there is! This is in the middle of the desert as you say. And as the date on the first story show this has been going on for a long time.

Arizona Park "Most Dangerous" in U.S.

The park rangers at Arizona's Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument wear camouflage, carry assault rifles, and chase drug smugglers through the blazing desert. They're at the front lines of a violent border war—and they're losing.

In August, a park ranger, 28-year-old Kris Eggle, was killed while helping Border Patrol agents catch two men suspected by Mexican officials in a drug-related quadruple murder. The men had driven a stolen SUV through one of many holes in the fence that separates the park from the Mexican state of Sonora.

Smuggling People and Drugs

Though Organ Pipe is a backwater in the National Park system, it almost certainly leads the Park Service in number of backcountry stays. On any given night, rangers estimate, up to 1,000 people are inside the park. Nearly all of them have entered illegally across the park's 31-mile (50-kilometer) southern boundary, which also happens to be the dividing line between two nations—one with jobs, the other with people who need them.

Many cross the border with expectations of quicker profits: Last year, Organ Pipe rangers seized some 13,000 pounds (4,850 kilograms) of marijuana, one-third of the total seized in all national parks and monuments combined.

Arizona Park "Most Dangerous" in U.S.

Arizona Border Park Once Deemed Dangerous Reopens | Al Jazeera America

Mac77 · Nov 18, 2016

Common Sense 1 said:
Yes there is! This is in the middle of the desert as you say. And as the date on the first story show this has been going on for a long time.

Arizona Park "Most Dangerous" in U.S.

The park rangers at Arizona's Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument wear camouflage, carry assault rifles, and chase drug smugglers through the blazing desert. They're at the front lines of a violent border war—and they're losing.

In August, a park ranger, 28-year-old Kris Eggle, was killed while helping Border Patrol agents catch two men suspected by Mexican officials in a drug-related quadruple murder. The men had driven a stolen SUV through one of many holes in the fence that separates the park from the Mexican state of Sonora.

Smuggling People and Drugs

Though Organ Pipe is a backwater in the National Park system, it almost certainly leads the Park Service in number of backcountry stays. On any given night, rangers estimate, up to 1,000 people are inside the park. Nearly all of them have entered illegally across the park's 31-mile (50-kilometer) southern boundary, which also happens to be the dividing line between two nations—one with jobs, the other with people who need them.

Many cross the border with expectations of quicker profits: Last year, Organ Pipe rangers seized some 13,000 pounds (4,850 kilograms) of marijuana, one-third of the total seized in all national parks and monuments combined.

Arizona Park "Most Dangerous" in U.S.

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Arizona Border Park Once Deemed Dangerous Reopens | Al Jazeera America

I'll let the border patrol decide if a wall is needed in that park

But I would be surprised if they agree with you

What is sounds like to me is that they need the type of electronic survielence that can detect entry from Mexico and a quick reaction force of heavily armed personal to resond quickly

Caine · Nov 18, 2016

PIPEWRENCH said:
Sorry it is not rambling but facts. I have yet to come across a white person here illegally. I can't even keep count of how many Hispanics I have caught, seen, and know who are here illegally. While I have a lot of Hispanic friends and family I have at least twice as many white friends and family. I am sure there are a few white people who are here illegally. I am also willing to bet the number is no where near the number of Hispanic. I am willing to cash in some IRA's on that bet.

Completely anecdotal.

jamesrage · Nov 18, 2016

Napoleon said:
That's because it is absolutely true. We spent billions on a border wall boondoggle under Bush and guess what happened? Immigrants climbed over it, tunneled under it, and bore through it. A physical or electronic barrier is worthless when you don't have the boots on the ground to monitor it

Bush was a pro-illegal testicle licker who tried to give the appearance he was doing something when in reality he was doing nothing.That is why there was a crappy fence and a so called virtual fence.He was hopping by passing these things that people would be dumb enough to agree to his,Te Kennedy and John McCain's amnesty plan. No one is saying build a way and forget it about. Besides that a unfinished crappy fence is not a wall nor does it prove that walls don't work.

. Pointing out those fatal flaws doesn't make anyone "pro-illegal."

Spewing pro-illegal drivel does make you a pro-illegal.

PIPEWRENCH · Nov 18, 2016

Caine said:
Completely anecdotal.

Personal accounts are first hand in formation. Where are your facts that white Christians are here illegally in numbers that even begin to rival the number of Hispanic here illegally. The number of Hispanics here illegally with no respect for our laws out number all others combined. They are a problem that numbers into the 10's of millions. Sorry if the truth hurts or doesn't sound politically correct.

PIPEWRENCH · Nov 18, 2016

Mac77 said:
I'll let the border patrol decide if a wall is needed in that park

But I would be surprised if they agree with you

What is sounds like to me is that they need the type of electronic survielence that can detect entry from Mexico and a quick reaction force of heavily armed personal to resond quickly

Sounds like a job for our military. They will stop the invasion. Yes it is an invasion when millions of people decide they will not respect our immigration laws and enter into our country illegally. I would love to see Trump assign our military to support the border patrol in securing our border just the same as our military secures other countries borders. Plus it would be nice to see our military being used to do something that will protect the people of this country. I think we should run a background check on everyone entering into our country. No ID No entry.

Caine · Nov 18, 2016

PIPEWRENCH said:
Personal accounts are first hand in formation. Where are your facts that white Christians are here illegally in numbers that even begin to rival the number of Hispanic here illegally. The number of Hispanics here illegally with no respect for our laws out number all others combined. They are a problem that numbers into the 10's of millions. Sorry if the truth hurts or doesn't sound politically correct.

You can go back and check, but I don't recall having ever made the claim that white Christians are here illegal in the numbers that even begin to rival the number of Hispanics here illegally.

But making a blanket statement that white Christians follow laws, and thus wouldn't be here illegally is absurd.... its a white nationalist attitude.

Mac77 · Nov 18, 2016

PIPEWRENCH said:
Sounds like a job for our military.

They will stop the invasion. Yes it is an invasion when millions of people decide they will not respect our immigration laws and enter into our country illegally. I would love to see Trump assign our military to support the border patrol in securing our border just the same as our military secures other countries borders. Plus it would be nice to see our military being used to do something that will protect the people of this country. I think we should run a background check on everyone entering into our country. No ID No entry.

Either the National Guard or the regular army

They have the personal, equipment, mobility and lethal weapons to seal the bprder in a very short time

PIPEWRENCH · Nov 18, 2016

Mac77 said:
Either the National Guard or the regular army

They have the personal, equipment, mobility and lethal weapons to seal the bprder in a very short time

What is really sad is people in this country fear our military being used. People in this country are in for a rude surprise one day when our unsecured border allows a terrorist to enter a populated area with a nuke given too them by North Korea or Iran. A fishing boat in Chesapeake bay is only 10 miles from the White House. Even an amateur rocket could have it over DC in matter of seconds. Then securing our border will become important.

Mac77 · Nov 18, 2016

PIPEWRENCH said:
What is really sad is people in this country fear our military being used. People in this country are in for a rude surprise one day when our unsecured border allows a terrorist to enter a populated area with a nuke given too them by North Korea or Iran. A fishing boat in Chesapeake bay is only 10 miles from the White House. Even an amateur rocket could have it over DC in matter of seconds. Then securing our border will become important.

America is a very divided country.

There are a lot of crazy ideas floating around on the left

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