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    Re: Mein Kampf Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-s View Post
    I am sorry I was unable to persuade you that banning books is not our way and that Mein Kampf is so impossible to read and way outdated that it is a danger to nobody.

    Instead you provided a link to an article by Adam Gopnik from The New Yorker because you agree with it. But you do not say what you agree with in the article. So, I guess in this thread which we are supposed to be debating Hitler's book, we are bound to debate the Gopnik article too. I certainly disagree with Gopnik that it is arguable Mein Kampf should be banned because only Nazis buy it. That is a crazy thing to say as he does in not so many words in his second paragraph. He wants to deprive devotees of Hitler from being able to read the book. I consider this a slur on people like myself, scholars, and the general reader, who are not Nazis and whose purchase of the book is not, as he puts it, "a symbolic act before it’s any kind of intellectual one". Please; give us a break. Ordinarily, I would put down the article at this stage, convinced that the author cannot be trusted to be objective. Gopnik lost me by his third paragraph where he calls Mein Kampf "creepy" and says something incoherent about politicians wanting to have "a childhood of a purer folk existence" when writing a memoir??? I have no idea what he is on about. I am supposing you see his point, OlNate.

    Gopnik himself, like Hitler, has a style of writing, one I associate with American English, and specifically New York. He is a Canadian Jew who has been living in New York and on the staff of The New Yorker for 34 years. Calling Hitler a "loser" only confirms my opinion that he is pushing a line which might sound alright to an American ear. Gopnik quickly diverges from Mein Kampf and contrasts Hitler with other European fascists of the time. By now we are far astray. His idea is that Hitler sounds too bitter in his book to be inspiring followers. I am pretty sure Hitler never intended for his book to be in any way a substitute for his speeches and his uniformed image of himself and his storm trooper movement.
    Im sorry you get so triggered by someone calling a book creepy. Perhaps you should get some thicker skin before you begin to show more about yourself. Yes calling the childish want for a purer folk existence for what it is doesnt offend my sensibilities at all because such pure existence never existed and was a fantasy, a rather deadly fantasy. The only people that offends and that would be a slur against would be nazis. Perhaps getting less butthurt would be a great idea.


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    Re: Mein Kampf Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-s View Post
    I confess I didn't make it to the end of the article. I thought he was bringing in too much extraneous stuff. I have little doubt Adam Gopnik knows very well what his readers have come to expect from him and they will not be disappointed.
    Should always read to the end of articles... At the very minimum, you'll find the summary / conclusion at the bottom, you might have decided the rest is worth reading. And to be fair, can there really be enough extraneous stuff? You seem annoyed that Gopnik talks smack about the book...I don't think that's reasonable. If you're going to say that Mein Kampf is not a dangerous book in 2020, you almost need to have more than half of time on the extraneous (aka qualifying) stuff. It's that bad, from any number of angles.
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    Re: Mein Kampf Study

    Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
    Should always read to the end of articles... At the very minimum, you'll find the summary / conclusion at the bottom, you might have decided the rest is worth reading. And to be fair, can there really be enough extraneous stuff? You seem annoyed that Gopnik talks smack about the book...I don't think that's reasonable. If you're going to say that Mein Kampf is not a dangerous book in 2020, you almost need to have more than half of time on the extraneous (aka qualifying) stuff. It's that bad, from any number of angles.
    I don't know what more I can say about the Gopnik article. I pointed out several annoying statements he made in the first three paragraphs and he had lost me. People, like me, tend to put aside reading material that is not germane and even boring. I cannot be blamed for that. Incidentally, I couldn't get through Mein Kampf for the same reasons.

    I do feel bad about the author of the opening post (Jet57) getting unresponsive comments in this thread. I would like to help him but I hardly know where to begin. He did remark that it was once a very popular book and undoubtedly it could have been found in many German homes in the first half of the last century. But this should not be taken to mean it was read. I suspect people tried but soon gave up.

    I do have a suggestion that might breed life into this topic. In my first post, I noted that not everyone will have a copy of Mein Kampf and this could be a problem with referencing the book. If we are interested enough, we could all go to quotes online and begin there. If Jet57 agrees, this would keep us focused on the text itself and be able to debate the merits, if any, of Hitler's own statements. The site is known as Wikiquote and the Mein Kampf section can be found on it here:
    Mein Kampf - Wikiquote

    Some of us have already remarked that it is unquestioned how Adolf Hitler was a great orator but a writer of little or no talent. This brings me to the first quote from Mein Kampf found on the Wikiquote site: I know that fewer people are won over by the written word than by the spoken word and that every great movement on this earth owes its growth to great speakers and not to great writers. (Introduction)
    Now I agree with Hitler on this. There is nothing complicated about this statement and I do believe people are generally persuaded more by the spoken word than reading, especially in matters of politics.

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    Re: Mein Kampf Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-s View Post
    I don't know what more I can say about the Gopnik article. I pointed out several annoying statements he made in the first three paragraphs and he had lost me. People, like me, tend to put aside reading material that is not germane and even boring. I cannot be blamed for that. Incidentally, I couldn't get through Mein Kampf for the same reasons.
    I guess that is the difference between some people.

    Myself, I have always believed in trying to read the original source material. Not just relying upon what others say about it. This is simply because most commentators are biased in some way, and I want to read things without the bias.

    In fact, one of the most revolting books I ever read in my life was given to me by a military S-2 (intelligence) officer. Even in 1989 he was concerned with the rise of militias in the US, and the infiltration of the Army by Klan and neo-NAZI organizations. The book was revolting and disgusting, but I also walked away from that knowing things that would be important a few years later.



    And I am glad I did. Because 6 years later after the attack on Oklahoma City, my father-in-law and others were telling me about how the "Arabs had to pay" for doing that. And I calmly told them that it was not Arabs. That when caught, the bomber would be a white man, with connections to the Militia movement. As well as connections to The Turner Diaries.

    And when old Tim McAnalViolator was finally caught, that was all true. A white man, connected to the Militia movement, who not only sold that book at gun shows, he actually had pages from it describing the attack he emulated inside his car. Things I would not have recognized if I had only read a review of the book.

    Yes, I have read Der Frankfurter's Mein Kampf. And The Turner Diaries, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, even The Communist Manifesto. I have also seen The Eternal Jew, Triumph of the Will, and Battleship Potemkin.

    Because I strongly believe you have to "know your enemy". Doing otherwise is stupid.
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