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KGB plotted to kill Pope and bug Vatican

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there is nothing strange that the Marxist Muscovite Antichrists wanted to Kill out Christian Father , and Kremlin thugs as usual conducted the black flag operation


"The KGB plotted to kill the Pope and spy on the Vatican by planting a bug inside a statue of the Virgin Mary, according to Czechoslovak secret service documents published in Italy yesterday.

Appalled at the prospect of an anti-communist Pole leading the Roman Catholic church, KGB bosses allegedly gave orders to destroy John Paul II hours after his election in 1979.

Operations - codenamed Pagoda and Infection - allegedly instructed intelligence agencies in the Warsaw pact countries to "discredit the church and the Pope with disinformation and provocations that do not exclude his physical elimination"."

KGB plotted to kill Pope and bug Vatican | World news | The Guardian

usa Nazis turks are trying to kill the pope
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KGB plotted to kill Pope and bug Vatican | World news | The Guardian
 
Litwin said:
there is nothing strange that the Marxist Muscovite Antichrists wanted to Kill out Christian Father , and Kremlin thugs as usual conducted the black flag operation


"The KGB plotted to kill the Pope and spy on the Vatican by planting a bug inside a statue of the Virgin Mary, according to Czechoslovak secret service documents published in Italy yesterday.

Appalled at the prospect of an anti-communist Pole leading the Roman Catholic church, KGB bosses allegedly gave orders to destroy John Paul II hours after his election in 1979.

Operations - codenamed Pagoda and Infection - allegedly instructed intelligence agencies in the Warsaw pact countries to "discredit the church and the Pope with disinformation and provocations that do not exclude his physical elimination"."
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Oh cool there are multiple Antichrists now?
 
Perhaps then the Catholic church would have had its child molestation coverup exposed earlier and thousands of children not molested by priests

I wish the KGB could have put spying devices in the Vatican in that case
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Perhaps then the Catholic church would have had its child molestation coverup exposed earlier and thousands of children not molested by priests

I wish the KGB could have put spying devices in the Vatican in that case
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You realize you just condoned the attempted assassination of a world leader. Not to mention you gave support to a group that was our literal enemy, maybe still is. :bravo:

Two wrongs do not make a right.
 
Phys251 said:
You realize you just condoned the attempted assassination of a world leader. Not to mention you gave support to a group that was our literal enemy, maybe still is. :bravo:

Two wrongs do not make a right.
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There were two plots one to kill the pope (who helped cover up thousands of child molestation cases if not tens of thousands) and the other to spy on the Vatican. I expressed support for the spying part.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
There were two plots one to kill the pope (who helped cover up thousands of child molestation cases if not tens of thousands) and the other to spy on the Vatican. I expressed support for the spying part.
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So let's see. You support the KGB, who was the intelligence arm of our literal enemy, and you haven't retracted your wish that the Pope had been assassinated.

It is good that you got your way on neither of these things, and that Communism fell. Too bad not all the KGB agents did, like the one in Moscow right now.
 
Phys251 said:
So let's see. You support the KGB, who was the intelligence arm of our literal enemy, and you haven't retracted your wish that the Pope had been assassinated.

It is good that you got your way on neither of these things, and that Communism fell. Too bad not all the KGB agents did, like the one in Moscow right now.
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Where did I say I supported killing the pope? Killing the pope would not have stopped child molestation. The KGB releasing information regarding child molestation might

And if you want to play that type of game, why are you supporting covering up child molestation by the church?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Where did I say I supported killing the pope? Killing the pope would not have stopped child molestation. The KGB releasing information regarding child molestation might

And if you want to play that type of game, why are you supporting covering up child molestation by the church?
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How do you separate the men from the boys at the Vatican?

With a crowbar.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Where did I say I supported killing the pope? Killing the pope would not have stopped child molestation. The KGB releasing information regarding child molestation might

And if you want to play that type of game, why are you supporting covering up child molestation by the church?
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While I'm no fan of the Catholic Church you can't ignore the fact that Pope John Paul II played a major role in opposition to communism in the 1980s.
 
Dayton3 said:
While I'm no fan of the Catholic Church you can't ignore the fact that Pope John Paul II played a major role in opposition to communism in the 1980s.
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What did the catholic church do to end communism?

Other than say it was bad?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Perhaps then the Catholic church would have had its child molestation coverup exposed earlier and thousands of children not molested by priests

I wish the KGB could have put spying devices in the Vatican in that case
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hello Marxist, this is civilization, no one cares about your whatsaboutism
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Lord Tammerlain said:
What did the catholic church do to end communism?
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Pope John Paul II and the Crusade against Communism: A Case Study in Secular and Sacred Time
Kenneth S. Zagacki
Rhetoric and Public Affairs
Vol. 4, No. 4 (Winter 2001), pp. 689-710
Published by: Michigan State University Press
JSTOR: Access Check
Page Count: 22
 
Fledermaus said:
Quit calling people Marxists....
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Marxists hate Christianity and tried to killed our Pope who worked hard in order to stop marxists - stalinist antichrists , its the fact
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Where did I say I supported killing the pope? Killing the pope would not have stopped child molestation. The KGB releasing information regarding child molestation might

And if you want to play that type of game, why are you supporting covering up child molestation by the church?
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This is getting better by the minute. :lol: Perhaps you are struggling to remember what you said? Here, let me help you:

Lord Tammerlain said:
Perhaps then the Catholic church would have had its child molestation coverup exposed earlier and thousands of children not molested by priests

I wish the KGB could have put spying devices in the Vatican in that case
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It was not a stretch to interpret that post as a condonation of an assassination attempt of Pope John Paul II. The burden was on you to make that point clear, and you didn't do it.

Perhaps you should stay away from such inflammatory posts until you can learn to make such clarifications. :shrug:
 
Litwin said:
Marxists hate Christianity and tried to killed our Pope who worked hard in order to stop marxists - stalinist antichrists , its the fact
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your pope and the church helped the nazis during and after WWII

rat lines

In 1948, just three years after the end of World War II, a leading Nazi war criminal managed to escape from a prison in Linz, Austria.

Franz Stangl, a former SS-Hauptsturmführer and commander of the Sobibor and Treblinka extermination camps, was responsible for the deaths of almost 1 million Jews. Via Graz, Merano and Florence, he made his way to Rome and — most importantly for him — to the Vatican.

In Rome, Bishop Alois Hudal, a fellow Austrian, greeted him with the words: "You must be Franz Stangl — I've been expecting you." He then handed Stangl forged documents that allowed the Nazi war criminal to travel to Syria, where his family eventually joined him. In 1951, the Stangl family emigrated to Brazil. The man who perfected mass murder in the concentration camps spent years assembling cars at a Volkswagen plant near Sao Paulo.

Franz Stangl is one of thousands of Nazis and collaborators who, with the help of the Catholic Church,


The ratlines: What did the Vatican know about Nazi escape routes? | Europe| News and current affairs from around the continent | DW | 01.03.2020


Hitler's Pope

Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII | Foreign Affairs
 
Litwin said:
finally, we can see here the Marxists who don't even try to hide the fact that Marxist KGB tried to kill world christian leader . thats why i call all Marxists - antichrists USSR anti-religious campaign (1921–1928) - Wikipedia
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You call all "Marxists - antichrists " because you have a twisted idea of Marxism.

And you call anyone who disagrees with you "Marxist" because you have issues.
 
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