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    Re: Shoah

    Quote Originally Posted by Novalis View Post
    You can't compare it like that.
    Conditions in Germany were much worse. Food rationing, general shortage...

    The question is, what would conditions be like in the USA before the USA lost the war?

    A lot of this is very dishonest, in the way it's presented. There's a certain complacency in the American way of doing things.
    Conditions were not much worse when the gas vans were rolled out, the camps built, or the innocents executed by special death squads. Hitler kept Germany on a peacetime economy in 1941, believing that all he had to do was "kick the door in" and the "whole rotten house" of Russia would collapse. Only after the Soviet winter counter offensive did he realize that production would have to be stepped up, and economic measures taken.

    And, by the way, ministers had recommended in deferring the starvation and execution of all Jews in order to use them as war time labor...Hitler ALWAYS resisted that. He didn't care, the final solution could not be deferred...even if it made overwhelming sense to relieve sever labor shortages.

    Hitler, like many, become so committed to an idea they become irrational - in the face of overwhelming evidence that a person is a fine chap they hate a person. THAT was Hitler, except he hated entire races no matter how much it my benefit him and Germany to back off.

    In 1942 (I think) war Von Manstein or one of the other generals urged Hitler to use Ukraine nationalism and ally with them in an army against the Russians. Hitler would have none of it. It was, to him, almost unthinkable to make a deal with a people he intended to exterminate.

    Eventually, in 1944 something like that came about...but by then it was too late.

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    Re: Shoah

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    "Two wrongs don't make a right" is an old teaching given to children. And its correct. And if someone's point is that we are hypocrites then maybe we are. Which only means we have to hold others accountable as well.

    I always felt Dresden was one of those instances.


    Dresden was a major transportation hub for the Eastern Front. Bombing Dresden was a huge help for our Soviet bros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    The Nazis bombed London and Stalingrad.
    Luckily for you, because of Hitler, no one was in the mood for nuclear war afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    Conditions were not much worse when the gas vans were rolled out, the camps built, or the innocents executed by special death squads. Hitler kept Germany on a peacetime economy in 1941, believing that all he had to do was "kick the door in" and the "whole rotten house" of Russia would collapse. Only after the Soviet winter counter offensive did he realize that production would have to be stepped up, and economic measures taken.

    And, by the way, ministers had recommended in deferring the starvation and execution of all Jews in order to use them as war time labor...Hitler ALWAYS resisted that. He didn't care, the final solution could not be deferred...even if it made overwhelming sense to relieve sever labor shortages.

    Hitler, like many, become so committed to an idea they become irrational - in the face of overwhelming evidence that a person is a fine chap they hate a person. THAT was Hitler, except he hated entire races no matter how much it my benefit him and Germany to back off.

    In 1942 (I think) war Von Manstein or one of the other generals urged Hitler to use Ukraine nationalism and ally with them in an army against the Russians. Hitler would have none of it. It was, to him, almost unthinkable to make a deal with a people he intended to exterminate.

    Eventually, in 1944 something like that came about...but by then it was too late.
    If the Jews do not assimilate, there will continue to be trouble and problems. The problem exists independently of Hitler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Dresden was a major transportation hub for the Eastern Front. Bombing Dresden was a huge help for our Soviet bros.
    The Russians have a big country, but it's a dump. East Prussia was nicer before.
    Well, in the East more and more Chinese are invading, settling in the cities and occupying the country by stealth.

    On the one hand it is also better that a part of Germany belongs to Poland today.
    The Poles keep negroes and Arabs at a distance. If everything is contaminated here later, one can still flee to Silesia.
    In Germany is already a city escape anyway. Only through the asylum seekers the cities grow. More Germans leave the big cities than move in.

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    In Germany, by the way, word has got around even among the Nazis that this country is lost anyway. So, regarding a homogenous body of people. Soon half of the population will have immigrated.

    On the one hand, I see it with melancholy. As a long-term unemployed person, I appreciate the Germans' hard work.
    It gives me a privileged life. In the future it will probably be worse for the unemployed. But I hope that I can still slip through. With increasing age, I have it increasingly better as an unemployed person. So less stress with the Social services. There are also Nazis in social services, very unpleasant people.

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    Incidentally, there were anti-Jewish pogroms and massacres in the Russian Civil War alone from 1917 to 1921, with an estimated quarter of a million murdered Jews. The number of the individual pogroms is stated as 1500 (!).
    Whereby these Jewish pogroms were a continuous state. In the 1880s there were already pogroms of similar dimensions and also before that...
    In the USA it would be better to revise the textbooks.
    The difference to the Nazis was that it came from the population and the extermination was not secretly organized in a small circle and by a few uniform wearers, as in the NS.
    But it is already clear, something like that does not look so good in the textbooks, for the Jews.
    The Jews want to manipulate the opinion in the USA and there it is better to hide the true history.

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    Perhaps the Jewish Star should be introduced here as well. So that one can see what contribution comes from whom.

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    Re: Shoah

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Dresden was a major transportation hub for the Eastern Front. Bombing Dresden was a huge help for our Soviet bros.
    The Anglo-American bombing of Dresden in the closing months of the war was noting to do with helping the Red Army. Rather, it was a war crime to terrorize the civilian population and refugees. It will remain in the history books to the eternal shame of the English and Americans.

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    If one considers that there were a total of 499 682 Jews in the German Reich in 1933, of which more than 50% survived National Socialism. Then in the Russian civil war more Jews were murdered in pogroms. More Jews than the National Socialists murdered in the whole German Reich.
    The question is why nobody knows this. On the other hand, an estimated 10,000 documentaries with aggressive one-sided propaganda about Jews in Germany have been produced.
    You Americans are being completely manipulated.
    (Here in Germany, it's no different.)

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