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Why Isn't Communism as Hated as Nazism? Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH more and last much longer

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Check book: Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH MUCH more and last much longer

Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH more and last much longer . so why ???

 
Check book: Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH MUCH more and last much longer

Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH more and last much longer . so why ???



IMO?

Rebranding.

We don't call Socialists "Commies" anymore. This despite the fact that most so-called "Communist" governments were never actually Marx-Engels Communism, but rather heavy-handed Socialism.

Even today, people shy away from "Socialism," rebranding it "Democratic Socialism," as if it really is a horse of a different color.
 
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Because of the literacy programs (I guess).
 
. This despite the fact that most so-called "communist" governments were never actually Marx-Engels communism, but rather heavy-handed Socialism.

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can you give couple examples? Muscovite empire cccp was a Marxist - Leninist - Stalinist state for sure

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Stalin More Popular Than Putin in Russia These Days. A record 70% of Russian respondents say the late dictator of the former Soviet Union played a positive role for Russia, according to a recent poll by the independent Moscow-based Levada Center. Stalin's previous high mark for approval was 54% in 2016, The Moscow Times reported.
 
Probably because communism as a theory in and of itself doesn't advocate for killing or enslaving anyone, while Nazism does.

Yet they both did exactly that.
 
Check book: Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH MUCH more and last much longer

Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH more and last much longer . so why ???





Because Communist Russia decimated the German army. They stopped them dead in their tracks, literally, killing 2.4M German soldiers and capturing 2.8M while losing 5.2M KIA. Typically, Germany had 3 times as many divisions on the Eastern front than the Western. The Nazis could have used a few of them.
 
Plenty of rebranding here: In 1921 they were called 'The Communist Party of Sweden'- until 1967 when they renamed as 'Left Party - the Communists'. From 1990 they became simply 'The Left Party'.

In 2014 the communists got 5.7% of the vote and in 2018 8.0%. Recent polls show The Left Party between 9.3% and 11.0%.

Anyone who believes all Swedes are democrats should think again.
 
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Plenty of rebranding here: In 1921 they were called 'The Communist Party of Sweden'- until 1967 when they renamed as 'Left Party - the Communists'. From 1990 they became simply 'The Left Party'.

In 2014 the communists got 5.7% of the vote and in 2018 8.0%.
that's true
Palme with commie terrorists
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this video ´d be shown in every Swedish school
"Red Famine: Stalin's War on Ukraine" by Anne Applebaum
 
Check book: Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH MUCH more and last much longer
Partly because they did last longer. There is essentially only one example of a Nazi state which only lasted for a couple of decades. There were lots of Communist states, lasting much longer and behaving (or at least appearing to) in various different ways at different times. I say Nazi and you have a very clear and specific picture. I say Communist and it’s a more complex mix of images, concepts and ideas.

There is also the element that a lot of the Communism-inspired atrocities were often within their own states, largely out of sight to the rest of us where-as Nazi Germany was explicitly expansive and engaged in atrocities in occupied enemy states. It’s a sad element of human nature that we’ll look on something done to “us” as much worse than the same thing done to “them”.

Maybe it would be clearer if the concepts are broken down more consistently and you asked why Nationalism isn't hated as much as Communism?
 
Check book: Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH MUCH more and last much longer

Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH more and last much longer . so why ???

Many Nazi haters believe Nazis only came from the right political spectrum. It's political, the hate far more evident for Nazis than commies.
 
Partly because they did last longer. There is essentially only one example of a Nazi state which only lasted for a couple of decades. There were lots of Communist states, lasting much longer and behaving (or at least appearing to) in various different ways at different times. I say Nazi and you have a very clear and specific picture. I say Communist and it’s a more complex mix of images, concepts and ideas.

There is also the element that a lot of the Communism-inspired atrocities were often within their own states, largely out of sight to the rest of us where-as Nazi Germany was explicitly expansive and engaged in atrocities in occupied enemy states. It’s a sad element of human nature that we’ll look on something done to “us” as much worse than the same thing done to “them”.

Maybe it would be clearer if the concepts are broken down more consistently and you asked why Nationalism isn't hated as much as Communism?

Good point. In fact the Nazi State lasted for only one decade from 1934 to 1945.
 
Theories can't do anything, they're not physical entities, they're abstractions. Only people can kill or enslave others.

True, but people invented those idiologies then used them to do as they pleased. As someone already mentioned Communism as an idiology has never existed, those that refer to themselves as such are in reality Socialists. I would also point out that many a dictator has used political idiology to hide their true agenda, just as we in the US have political Parties that claim to be either Liberal or Conservative yet they are in fact neither and their actions have proven it time and time again.
 
Communism or socialism never killed anyone.


Stalin killed a lot of people
 
Yes, communism is bad, but fascism of the Putin and Trump kind are bad, too.
 
Check book: Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH MUCH more and last much longer

Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH more and last much longer . so why?

Because communism/socialism is an economic system based on equality and Nazism/fascism is a political system based on nationalism


Socialism is a great idea that we haven't been able to make work yet. At least, not or a large scale level.

Nazism/fascism is a BAD idea based on on group of people being superior to another.
 
Check book: Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH MUCH more and last much longer

Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH more and last much longer . so why ???



Because not only did the Nazis kill their total in a tiny fraction of the time, there are plenty of folks who defend them and conduct terrorist attacks even to this day.
 
Because communism/socialism is an economic system based on equality and Nazism/fascism is a political system based on nationalism


Socialism is a great idea that we haven't been able to make work yet. At least, not or a large scale level.

Nazism/fascism is a BAD idea based on on group of people being superior to another.

how sweet dreams about equality have helped prisoners of commie death camps and dying from hunger Ukrainian children ? or nearly wiped out from the earth Kazakhs by commie occupants ?

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Kazakhstan: The Forgotten Famine

"They" were looking for "kulaks," he said, the term given to anyone who appeared to be better off financially than other people. In the case of Oyil, that meant those fortunate few who owned livestock -- perhaps a dozen sheep or a few horses.

"Many of the people whose sheep and horses were confiscated had to move to inner Russia, to Karakalpakistan, and on to Iran or to Uzbekistan," Tokmurzin said. "There were rumors that life was easier there, that it was easier to survive. Those who stayed suffered but survived the winter of 1929-1930. But the worst season came in 1930-31 when the famine started."

The collectivization process hit the traditionally nomadic Kazakhs hard. They were suddenly forced to settle in one spot and, as Tokmurzin said, those who had more than just a few farm animals were treated as kulaks.

Added to that were the requisitions from Moscow that demanded huge shares of the crops so that the Soviet government could obtain hard currency and purchase machinery for the numerous factories being built.

Thousands of Kazakhs fled the famine. Tokmurzin's Uncle ****an went to the Russian city of Orenburg and then Stalingrad (now Volgograd) to look for work and food. But he returned when the Soviet government began distributing food aid to Kazakhstan in 1933.

'Gangs Of Cannibals'

By then Kazakhstan was in chaos. "People told him the roads were lined with corpses and that wild animals, particularly wolves, were eating the corpses," Tokmurzin said. "The people said these animals might attack my uncle. More shocking were the tales of gangs of cannibals roaming the countryside."

Preparing to complete his journey back to Oyil, he was again warned that there were starving people cannibalizing others in Kolda.

****an decided to leave but told his nephew years later that after he departed Kolda he sensed he was being followed. He went to a nearby river and saw that several men were pursuing him. ****an jumped in the icy river and swam across to escape his pursuers.

The devastation was monumental, but was often only discovered later.
Kazakhstan: The Forgotten Famine
Op/Ed: The Forgotten Soviet Famine | College of Arts & Humanities, University of Maryland
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Because not only did the Nazis kill their total in a tiny fraction of the time, there are plenty of folks who defend them and conduct terrorist attacks even to this day.

you are right , the commies (who are the most violent of all Nazis ) they are still killing today . you know why? cos even today they have huge support base in our University campuses

Category:Communist terrorism - Wikipedia



Left-wing terrorism - Wikipedia

"The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) is a Marxist–Leninist organization in Colombia which has engaged in vehicle bombings, gas cylinder bombs, killings, landmines, kidnapping, extortion and hijacking as well as guerilla and conventional military. The United States Department of State includes the FARC-EP on its list of foreign terrorist organizations, as does the European Union. It funds itself primarily through extortion, kidnapping and their participation in the illegal drug trade.[17][18] Many of their fronts enlist new and underage recruits by force, distribute propaganda and rob banks. Businesses operating in rural areas, including agricultural, oil, and mining interests, were required to pay "vaccines" (monthly payments) which "protected" them from subsequent attacks and kidnappings. An additional, albeit less lucrative, source of revenue was highway blockades in which guerrillas stopped motorists and buses in order to confiscate jewelry and money. An estimated 20 to 30 percent of FARC combatants are under 18 years old, with many as young as 12 years old, for a total of around 5000 children.[19] Children who try to escape the ranks of the guerrillas are punished with torture and death.[19]"
 
Probably because communism as a theory in and of itself doesn't advocate for killing or enslaving anyone, while Nazism does.

Its as simple as that.
 
Anyone seen the Death of Stalin? It. Is. Hilarious.
 
Good point. In fact the Nazi State lasted for only one decade from 1934 to 1945.

+1, from 1945 and on, the German national - socialist ideology was practically dead , meanwhile Marxism in all forms is still around
"Communist terrorism describes terrorism carried out in the advancement of, or by groups who adhere to, communism or related ideologies, such as Trotskyism, Leninism, Maoism, or Marxism–Leninism. In history communist terrorism has sometimes taken the form of state-sponsored terrorism, supported by communist nations such as the Soviet Union,[1][2] China,[2] North Korea[2] and Cambodia.[3] In addition, non-state actors such as the Red Brigades, the Front Line and the Red Army Faction have also engaged in communist terrorism.[4][5] These groups hope to inspire the masses to rise up and begin a revolution to overthrow existing political and economic systems.[6] This form of terrorism can sometimes be called red terrorism or left terrorism.[7]

The end of the Cold War and the fall of the Soviet Union have been credited with leading to a marked decrease in this form of terrorism.[8] Brian Crozier, founder and director of the Institute for the Study of Conflict,[9] has said that communism was the primary source of both state-sponsored and non-state terrorism.[10"
Communist terrorism - Wikipedia
 
you are right , the commies (who are the most violent of all Nazis ) they are still killing today . you know why? cos even today they have huge support base in our University campuses

Category:Communist terrorism - Wikipedia



Left-wing terrorism - Wikipedia

"The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) is a Marxist–Leninist organization in Colombia which has engaged in vehicle bombings, gas cylinder bombs, killings, landmines, kidnapping, extortion and hijacking as well as guerilla and conventional military. The United States Department of State includes the FARC-EP on its list of foreign terrorist organizations, as does the European Union. It funds itself primarily through extortion, kidnapping and their participation in the illegal drug trade.[17][18] Many of their fronts enlist new and underage recruits by force, distribute propaganda and rob banks. Businesses operating in rural areas, including agricultural, oil, and mining interests, were required to pay "vaccines" (monthly payments) which "protected" them from subsequent attacks and kidnappings. An additional, albeit less lucrative, source of revenue was highway blockades in which guerrillas stopped motorists and buses in order to confiscate jewelry and money. An estimated 20 to 30 percent of FARC combatants are under 18 years old, with many as young as 12 years old, for a total of around 5000 children.[19] Children who try to escape the ranks of the guerrillas are punished with torture and death.[19]"


Commies =/= Nazis.
 
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