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    Re: 1 Tiger Tank vs 50 stalinist T34s. many Muscovite Putins propagandacondoms just got stokes LOL )

    Quote Originally Posted by Litwin View Post
    as a stalinit you are spreading just stalinist propaganda in every and each of your posts



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    Myth of the clean Wehrmacht - Wikipedia

    “ The myth's formation began at the International Military Tribunal held between 20 November 1945 and 1 October 1946 in Nuremberg. Franz Halder and other Wehrmacht leaders signed the Generals' memorandum entitled "The German Army from 1920 to 1945", which laid out its key elements. The memorandum was an attempt to exculpate the Wehrmacht from war crimes. Western powers were becoming increasingly concerned with the growing Cold War and wanted West Germany to begin rearming to counter the perceived Soviet threat. In 1950, West German chancellor Konrad Adenauer met with former officers to discuss West Germany's rearmament and the Himmerod memorandum was agreed. This memorandum laid out the conditions under which West Germany would rearm: their war criminals must be released, the defamation of the German soldier must cease, and foreign public opinion of the Wehrmacht must be transformed. Dwight D. Eisenhower, who had previously described the Wehrmacht as Nazis, changed his mind to facilitate rearmament. The British became reluctant to pursue further trials and released already convicted criminals early.

    Adenauer courted the votes of veterans and enacted amnesty laws because there was a great deal of German sympathy for their war criminals. The British High Commissioner felt compelled to remind the West German public the criminals involved had been found guilty of participating in the murder of Allied citizens. Halder began working for the US Army Historical Division. His role was to assemble and supervise former Wehrmacht officers to write a multi-volume history of the Eastern Front. He oversaw the writings of 700 former German officers and disseminated the myth through his network. Wehrmacht officers and generals produced memoirs that followed the myth, which proved enormously popular. Heinz Guderian and Erich von Manstein produced best-selling memoirs. Manstein's contributed to the myth as his defence attorney defended the shooting of civilians and other war crimes. After Manstein was convicted, his attorney enlisted celebrities to secure his release on the basis that the needs of the Cold War should predominate.

    The year 1995 proved to be a turning point in German public consciousness. The Hamburg Institute for Social Research initiated a touring exhibition called Wehrmachtsausstellung (German for "Wehrmacht Exhibition") that exposed the war crimes of the Wehrmacht to a wider audience and created a long-running debate and reappraisal of the myth. The exhibition showed 1,380 graphic pictures of "ordinary" Wehrmacht troops complicit in war crimes. Hannes Heer wrote that the war crimes had been covered up by scholars and former soldiers. The German historian Wolfram Wette called the clean Wehrmacht thesis a "collective perjury". The wartime generation maintained the myth with vigour and determination. They had suppressed information and manipulated government policy; after their passing, there was insufficient pressure to maintain the deceit that the Wehrmacht had not been a full partner in the regime's industrialised mass murder.”

    It’s been extensively documented. The Wehrmacht was every bit as guilty as the SS in committing war crimes.

    So no, not “Stalinist propaganda” in the slightest.

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    Re: 1 Tiger Tank vs 50 stalinist T34s. many Muscovite Putins propagandacondoms just got stokes LOL )

    Quote Originally Posted by Royal PITA View Post
    Agreed about the Waffen SS; like Trumpeteers, those guys not only drank the Kool-Aid, but asked for seconds.

    In order to be made into a Hollywood movie, the hero would have to be changed to a Wehrmacht hero who, with his crew, hates the frickin’ Nazis.
    The comic “Johann’s Tiger” by Garth Ennis is the kind of thing I figure it would have to be like. A Wehrmacht commander of a Tiger tank in the dying days of the war whose trying to keep his crew alive until the end. It doesn’t white-wash the atrocities committed by the Germans either earlier in the war or in those last few days. It does have a bit of downer ending though.


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    Re: 1 Tiger Tank vs 50 stalinist T34s. many Muscovite Putins propagandacondoms just got stokes LOL )

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    Myth of the clean Wehrmacht - Wikipedia

    “ The myth's formation began at the International Military Tribunal held between 20 November 1945 and 1 October 1946 in Nuremberg. Franz Halder and other Wehrmacht leaders signed the Generals' memorandum entitled "The German Army from 1920 to 1945", which laid out its key elements. The memorandum was an attempt to exculpate the Wehrmacht from war crimes. Western powers were becoming increasingly concerned with the growing Cold War and wanted West Germany to begin rearming to counter the perceived Soviet threat. In 1950, West German chancellor Konrad Adenauer met with former officers to discuss West Germany's rearmament and the Himmerod memorandum was agreed. This memorandum laid out the conditions under which West Germany would rearm: their war criminals must be released, the defamation of the German soldier must cease, and foreign public opinion of the Wehrmacht must be transformed. Dwight D. Eisenhower, who had previously described the Wehrmacht as Nazis, changed his mind to facilitate rearmament. The British became reluctant to pursue further trials and released already convicted criminals early.

    Adenauer courted the votes of veterans and enacted amnesty laws because there was a great deal of German sympathy for their war criminals. The British High Commissioner felt compelled to remind the West German public the criminals involved had been found guilty of participating in the murder of Allied citizens. Halder began working for the US Army Historical Division. His role was to assemble and supervise former Wehrmacht officers to write a multi-volume history of the Eastern Front. He oversaw the writings of 700 former German officers and disseminated the myth through his network. Wehrmacht officers and generals produced memoirs that followed the myth, which proved enormously popular. Heinz Guderian and Erich von Manstein produced best-selling memoirs. Manstein's contributed to the myth as his defence attorney defended the shooting of civilians and other war crimes. After Manstein was convicted, his attorney enlisted celebrities to secure his release on the basis that the needs of the Cold War should predominate.

    The year 1995 proved to be a turning point in German public consciousness. The Hamburg Institute for Social Research initiated a touring exhibition called Wehrmachtsausstellung (German for "Wehrmacht Exhibition") that exposed the war crimes of the Wehrmacht to a wider audience and created a long-running debate and reappraisal of the myth. The exhibition showed 1,380 graphic pictures of "ordinary" Wehrmacht troops complicit in war crimes. Hannes Heer wrote that the war crimes had been covered up by scholars and former soldiers. The German historian Wolfram Wette called the clean Wehrmacht thesis a "collective perjury". The wartime generation maintained the myth with vigour and determination. They had suppressed information and manipulated government policy; after their passing, there was insufficient pressure to maintain the deceit that the Wehrmacht had not been a full partner in the regime's industrialised mass murder.”

    It’s been extensively documented. The Wehrmacht was every bit as guilty as the SS in committing war crimes.

    So no, not “Stalinist propaganda” in the slightest.
    OK, my grandmother suffered from Wehrmacht you dont , right ? but she suffered much more due Muscovite - Marxist occupants


    Wehrmacht tried to kill the idiot from Austria, and was 1 time very close to do it , did Marxist "army" have even make a try to finish off Muscovite red czar? just yes or no
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    Re: 1 Tiger Tank vs 50 stalinist T34s. many Muscovite Putins propagandacondoms just got stokes LOL )

    Quote Originally Posted by Litwin View Post
    OK, my grandmother suffered from Wehrmacht you dont , right ? but she suffered much more due Muscovite - Marxist occupants


    Wehrmacht tried to kill the idiot from Austria, and was 1 time very close to do it , did Marxist "army" have even make a try to finish off Muscovite red czar? just yes or no
    The Nazis murdered tens of millions of innocent people. The Nazis— with Lithuanian collaboration— basically exterminated Lithuania’s Jewish population.

    Your efforts to hand wave away their atrocities are rather sickening.

    The Wehrmacht did succeed at killing millions of innocent people, and for every person who plotted against Hitler(and yes, there were numerous plots and attempts to kill Stalin, but the Soviet regime did an excellent job of covering them up) there were ten who happily followed his orders.

    There was no clean Wehrmacht.

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    Re: 1 Tiger Tank vs 50 stalinist T34s. many Muscovite Putins propagandacondoms just got stokes LOL )

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    The comic “Johann’s Tiger” by Garth Ennis is the kind of thing I figure it would have to be like. A Wehrmacht commander of a Tiger tank in the dying days of the war whose trying to keep his crew alive until the end. It doesn’t white-wash the atrocities committed by the Germans either earlier in the war or in those last few days. It does have a bit of downer ending though.


    War Stories (comics) - Wikipedia
    Most stories like to see people pay for their crimes even if they are good in the end.

    BTW, a good WWII tank story is on Prime: T-34. T-34 (film) - Wikipedia
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    Re: 1 Tiger Tank vs 50 stalinist T34s. many Muscovite Putins propagandacondoms just got stokes LOL )

    Quote Originally Posted by Royal PITA View Post
    Most stories like to see people pay for their crimes even if they are good in the end.

    BTW, a good WWII tank story is on Prime: T-34. T-34 (film) - Wikipedia
    Well, at the end of the story the Tiger commander— who only wanted to save his crew— is alive, but his crew is all dead....so there’s that. He’s pretty much a wreck.

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    Re: 1 Tiger Tank vs 50 stalinist T34s. many Muscovite Putins propagandacondoms just got stokes LOL )

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    The Nazis murdered tens of millions of innocent people. The Nazis— with Lithuanian collaboration— basically exterminated Lithuania’s Jewish population.

    Your efforts to hand wave away their atrocities are rather sickening.

    The Wehrmacht did succeed at killing millions of innocent people, and for every person who plotted against Hitler(and yes, there were numerous plots and attempts to kill Stalin, but the Soviet regime did an excellent job of covering them up) there were ten who happily followed his orders.

    There was no clean Wehrmacht.
    "exterminated Lithuania’s Jewish population." have i ever questioned this fact?
    "Wehrmacht did succeed at killing millions of innocent people," no questions about this fact as well , but Marxist - Muscovite hords killed much more do you agree?

    "attempts to kill Stalin, but the Soviet regime did an excellent job of covering them up)", you are so in love with the worst war - criminal of 20c. are you from a stalinit sleeping sell? i am sure that CIA got you IP
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    Re: 1 Tiger Tank vs 50 stalinist T34s. many Muscovite Putins propagandacondoms just got stokes LOL )

    Quote Originally Posted by Litwin View Post
    "exterminated Lithuania’s Jewish population." have i ever questioned this fact?
    "Wehrmacht did succeed at killing millions of innocent people," no questions about this fact as well , but Marxist - Muscovite hords killed much more do you agree?
    The Nazis would have killed far more had they been allowed to. The only reason they didn’t is because the Allies— including the USSR— kicked their **** in

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    Re: 1 Tiger Tank vs 50 stalinist T34s. many Muscovite Putins propagandacondoms just got stokes LOL )

    Quote Originally Posted by Royal PITA View Post
    Most stories like to see people pay for their crimes even if they are good in the end.

    BTW, a good WWII tank story is on Prime: T-34. T-34 (film) - Wikipedia
    a product of putlerīs propagandacondom Medinsky
    "since the collapse of the Soviet Union, part of a Kremlin-backed drive to instill patriotism in young people. "

    side by side with his film about Soviet Cold War sports victory over the United States. for Medinsky/Putler Nazi Germany and USA are the same thing
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    Re: 1 Tiger Tank vs 50 stalinist T34s. many Muscovite Putins propagandacondoms just got stokes LOL )

    Quote Originally Posted by Litwin View Post
    a product of putlerīs propagandacondom Medinsky
    "since the collapse of the Soviet Union, part of a Kremlin-backed drive to instill patriotism in young people. "

    side by side with his film about Soviet Cold War sports victory over the United States. for Medinsky/Putler Nazi Germany and USA are the same thing
    Sorry, but I have no idea what you are writing about.
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