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    Should the Judensau be removed?

    High on the wall of a German church where Martin Luther once preached, an ugly remnant of centuries of antisemitism is now at the center of a court battle. The so-called Judensau (Jew Sow) sculpture on the Town Church in Wittenberg dates back to around 1300. It is perhaps the best-known of more than 20 such relics from the Middle Ages, in various forms and varying states of repair, that still adorn churches across Germany and elsewhere in Europe. Located about 4 meters above the ground on a corner of the church, the Judensau at Wittenberg depicts people identifiable by their headwear as Jews suckling on the teats of a sow, while a rabbi lifts the animal’s tail. In 1570, after the Protestant Reformation, an inscription referring to an anti-Jewish tract by Luther was added. Next Tuesday a court in the eastern city of Naumburg will consider Michael Duellmann's (a Jewish convert) bid to make the parish take it down. It’s the second round in the legal dispute. The court of original jurisdiction denied the petition on the grounds that the artifact belongs to the church, not the state. The church wants to leave it in place because it does not desire to hide or abolish history, but take the path of reconciliation with and through history.

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    The church's argument is persuasive. What is your opinion?

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    Re: Should the Judensau be removed?

    I wouldn't cry if someone burned it down.

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    Re: Should the Judensau be removed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-s View Post
    High on the wall of a German church where Martin Luther once preached, an ugly remnant of centuries of antisemitism is now at the center of a court battle. The so-called Judensau (Jew Sow) sculpture on the Town Church in Wittenberg dates back to around 1300. It is perhaps the best-known of more than 20 such relics from the Middle Ages, in various forms and varying states of repair, that still adorn churches across Germany and elsewhere in Europe. Located about 4 meters above the ground on a corner of the church, the Judensau at Wittenberg depicts people identifiable by their headwear as Jews suckling on the teats of a sow, while a rabbi lifts the animal’s tail. In 1570, after the Protestant Reformation, an inscription referring to an anti-Jewish tract by Luther was added. Next Tuesday a court in the eastern city of Naumburg will consider Michael Duellmann's (a Jewish convert) bid to make the parish take it down. It’s the second round in the legal dispute. The court of original jurisdiction denied the petition on the grounds that the artifact belongs to the church, not the state. The church wants to leave it in place because it does not desire to hide or abolish history, but take the path of reconciliation with and through history.

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    The church's argument is persuasive. What is your opinion?
    Fine. Leave it in place. Just cover it with a blank curtain.
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    Re: Should the Judensau be removed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-s View Post
    High on the wall of a German church where Martin Luther once preached, an ugly remnant of centuries of antisemitism is now at the center of a court battle. The so-called Judensau (Jew Sow) sculpture on the Town Church in Wittenberg dates back to around 1300. It is perhaps the best-known of more than 20 such relics from the Middle Ages, in various forms and varying states of repair, that still adorn churches across Germany and elsewhere in Europe. Located about 4 meters above the ground on a corner of the church, the Judensau at Wittenberg depicts people identifiable by their headwear as Jews suckling on the teats of a sow, while a rabbi lifts the animal’s tail. In 1570, after the Protestant Reformation, an inscription referring to an anti-Jewish tract by Luther was added. Next Tuesday a court in the eastern city of Naumburg will consider Michael Duellmann's (a Jewish convert) bid to make the parish take it down. It’s the second round in the legal dispute. The court of original jurisdiction denied the petition on the grounds that the artifact belongs to the church, not the state. The church wants to leave it in place because it does not desire to hide or abolish history, but take the path of reconciliation with and through history.

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    The church's argument is persuasive. What is your opinion?
    The courts previous ruling is correct. The property is that of the church and the church may do with it as it pleases.
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    Re: Should the Judensau be removed?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The courts previous ruling is correct. The property is that of the church and the church may do with it as it pleases.
    UPDATE
    The presiding judge in Naumburg rejected Michael Düllmann's petition on Tuesday saying, "We give the appeal no prospect of success!"
    Michael Düllmann does not want to give up: "I go to the European Court of Human Rights."
    Wittenberg: Oberlandesgericht entscheidet uber „Judensau“-Relief -
    Sachsen-Anhalt -
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    Ironically, most people never knew about the Judensau in Wittenberg until these court hearings brought it to the attention of modern generations. It is good not to forget our history. Undoubtedly, future tourists to the city will make a point of inspecting the sculpture for themselves.

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