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RIP Gertrude Himmelfarb

One of the great minds of the 20th century (and the early 21st) has passed away.

[h=2]Gertrude Himmelfarb, scholar of Victorian era and neoconservative thinker, dies at 97[/h]
Along with her husband, Irving Kristol, and son, William Kristol, she was part of neoconservatism’s “first family.”





Oh, interesting. Bill Kristol's mother. I never knew. Thanks!

(BTW, I've had my back & forths over Kristol (Bill), both pro & con. But lately as he stuck to Conservationism over Trumpism, I'm finding myself more & more in his camp)
 
Oh, interesting. Bill Kristol's mother. I never knew. Thanks!

(BTW, I've had my back & forths over Kristol (Bill), both pro & con. But lately as he stuck to Conservationism over Trumpism, I'm finding myself more & more in his camp)

Bill has had his ups and downs. The country could use an up.
 
Bill has had his ups and downs. The country could use an up.
The new year always brings me a sense of optimism; a chance to do better. Let's hope it closes well. (3 NOV)
 
The new year always brings me a sense of optimism; a chance to do better. Let's hope it closes well. (3 NOV)

I can't believe Cooper's beard made it about her. Her bony claw pierced the freshly laid sod...
 
Here's more. Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Before this gets all partisan of ugly about her neo-con views, I will quote the following.Gertrude Himmelfarb - Wikipedia "Himmelfarb was born in Brooklyn, New York, the daughter of Bertha (née Lerner) and Max Himmelfarb, both of Russian Jewish background.[5] She received her undergraduate degree from Brooklyn College in 1942 and her doctorate from the University of Chicago in 1950. Himmelfarb later went on to study at Cambridge University in the United Kingdom, and the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York.
. ..She was long involved in Jewish conservative intellectual circles.[7] Professor Emerita at the Graduate School of the City University of New York, she was the recipient of many awards and honorary degrees. She served on the Council of Scholars of the Library of Congress, the Council of Academic Advisors of the American Enterprise Institute, and the Council of the National Endowment for the Humanities. She was a Fellow of the British Academy and of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. In 1991, she delivered the Jefferson Lecture under the auspices of the National Endowment for the Humanities. In 2004, she was awarded the National Humanities Medal by the president of the United States of America. ..

Himmelfarb was a leading defender of traditional historical methods and practices. Her book, The New History and the Old (published in 1987 and revised and expanded in 2004), is a critique of the varieties of "new history" that have sought to displace the old. The "New Histories" she critiqued include: quantitative history that presumes to be more "scientific" than conventional history, but relies on partial and dubious data;[9] Marxist historiography derived from economic assumptions and class models that leave little room for the ideas and beliefs of contemporaries or the protagonists and events of history;[10] psychoanalytic history dependent on theories and speculations that violate the accepted criteria of historical evidence;[11] analytic history that reduces history to a series of isolated "moments" with no overriding narrative structure;[12] social history, "history from the bottom", that denigrates the role of politics, nationality, and individuals (the "great men" of history);[13][14][15] and, later, postmodernist history, which denies even the ideal of objectivity, viewing all of history as a "social construct" on the part of the historian.[16]


….Himmelfarb has argued "for the reintroduction of traditional values (she prefers the term 'virtues'), such as shame, responsibility, chastity, and self-reliance, into American political life and policy-making".[23]
While she is identified in America as a conservative, in Britain people on the left admire her work. One of her most outspoken admirers is Gordon Brown, the former Labour Party Prime Minister. His introduction to the British edition of Roads to Modernity opens: "I have long admired Gertrude Himmelfarb's historical work, in particular her love of the history of ideas, and her work has stayed with me ever since I was a history student at Edinburgh University."[24]
In an obituary, David Brooks described Himmelfarb as "The Historian of Moral Revolution".[2

In other words, this was an intellectual giant, right or wrong, who had a hell of a lot to say about history, its documentation and morality. Sne was a philosopher, and a writer and we should be saddened when those folks are silenced.

RIP.

Now go ahead and debate neo-con impact, values and ideas, but lets not shove their crimes onto her.
 
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*lost*

Anderson Cooper?

That red-head creature, having been ousted from her favorite perch (Cooper's New Years) announced on New Years Eve that she was getting married New Years Day. As if her New Years party just had to be better than with Cooper.

A bony claw pierced the freshly laid sod, and a voice within scrawled "I'm getting married!"
 
Here's more. Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Before this gets all partisan of ugly about her neo-con views, I will quote the following.Gertrude Himmelfarb - Wikipedia "Himmelfarb was born in Brooklyn, New York, the daughter of Bertha (née Lerner) and Max Himmelfarb, both of Russian Jewish background.[5] She received her undergraduate degree from Brooklyn College in 1942 and her doctorate from the University of Chicago in 1950. Himmelfarb later went on to study at Cambridge University in the United Kingdom, and the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York.
. ..She was long involved in Jewish conservative intellectual circles.[7] Professor Emerita at the Graduate School of the City University of New York, she was the recipient of many awards and honorary degrees. She served on the Council of Scholars of the Library of Congress, the Council of Academic Advisors of the American Enterprise Institute, and the Council of the National Endowment for the Humanities. She was a Fellow of the British Academy and of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. In 1991, she delivered the Jefferson Lecture under the auspices of the National Endowment for the Humanities. In 2004, she was awarded the National Humanities Medal by the president of the United States of America. ..

Himmelfarb was a leading defender of traditional historical methods and practices. Her book, The New History and the Old (published in 1987 and revised and expanded in 2004), is a critique of the varieties of "new history" that have sought to displace the old. The "New Histories" she critiqued include: quantitative history that presumes to be more "scientific" than conventional history, but relies on partial and dubious data;[9] Marxist historiography derived from economic assumptions and class models that leave little room for the ideas and beliefs of contemporaries or the protagonists and events of history;[10] psychoanalytic history dependent on theories and speculations that violate the accepted criteria of historical evidence;[11] analytic history that reduces history to a series of isolated "moments" with no overriding narrative structure;[12] social history, "history from the bottom", that denigrates the role of politics, nationality, and individuals (the "great men" of history);[13][14][15] and, later, postmodernist history, which denies even the ideal of objectivity, viewing all of history as a "social construct" on the part of the historian.[16]


….Himmelfarb has argued "for the reintroduction of traditional values (she prefers the term 'virtues'), such as shame, responsibility, chastity, and self-reliance, into American political life and policy-making".[23]
While she is identified in America as a conservative, in Britain people on the left admire her work. One of her most outspoken admirers is Gordon Brown, the former Labour Party Prime Minister. His introduction to the British edition of Roads to Modernity opens: "I have long admired Gertrude Himmelfarb's historical work, in particular her love of the history of ideas, and her work has stayed with me ever since I was a history student at Edinburgh University."[24]
In an obituary, David Brooks described Himmelfarb as "The Historian of Moral Revolution".[2

In other words, this was an intellectual giant, right or wrong, who had a hell of a lot to say about history, its documentation and morality. Sne was a philosopher, and a writer and we should be saddened when those folks are silenced.

RIP.

….Himmelfarb has argued "for the reintroduction of traditional values (she prefers the term 'virtues'), such as shame, responsibility, chastity, and self-reliance, into American political life and policy-making".[23]
Thanks for this.

I had to break-out the part that jumped-out at me.

I see your lean set to Liberal, and in my public-politics I general veer Liberal as well. Yet those values/virtues I broke-out are the very ones promoted to me as a child by my parents, the one's I now cling to in real life & promote to my children. So how the hell did the Right and the Republican Party ever manage to promote this as their exclusive values, and the ones we Liberals are "supposedly" lacking? What the hell happened?
 
That red-head creature, having been ousted from her favorite perch (Cooper's New Years) announced on New Years Eve that she was getting married New Years Day. As if her New Years party just had to be better than with Cooper.

A bony claw pierced the freshly laid sod, and a voice within scrawled "I'm getting married!"
Haha! I have no idea how you seque'd to this, but I wasn't aware of it. Had no time for TV or much internet the last several days (but lots of time with family & friends!).
 
Haha! I have no idea how you seque'd to this, but I wasn't aware of it. Had no time for TV or much internet the last several days (but lots of time with family & friends!).

New Years.

It was a freakish headline that caught my eye.
 
Thanks for this.

I had to break-out the part that jumped-out at me.

I see your lean set to Liberal, and in my public-politics I general veer Liberal as well. Yet those values/virtues I broke-out are the very ones promoted to me as a child by my parents, the one's I now cling to in real life & promote to my children. So how the hell did the Right and the Republican Party ever manage to promote this as their exclusive values, and the ones we Liberals are "supposedly" lacking? What the hell happened?
In this country morality was associated clearly with religious clerics. Certainly not by the free love drugs rock and roll hippie movement of Woodstock . Somehow the 'Christian right', became the only Christians that got media attention in this predominantly Christian country, and in this country during the 70's and 80's it was all Jerry Falwell, Phyliss Schafly, bashing the ERA and abortion rights, then during and post Reagan revolution Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson, Jimmy and Tammy Bakker, etc thanks to cable television and the Christian Broadcasting Network. The Christian left, never got on the air and nobody paid any attention to Jews or Muslims or non-theists at all. All we had was Rev Jesse Jackson to preach anything else, and that was on the Phil Donahue show or give a rousing once in four years oration at the Democratic convention.
 
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Thanks for this.

I had to break-out the part that jumped-out at me.

I see your lean set to Liberal, and in my public-politics I general veer Liberal as well. Yet those values/virtues I broke-out are the very ones promoted to me as a child by my parents, the one's I now cling to in real life & promote to my children. So how the hell did the Right and the Republican Party ever manage to promote this as their exclusive values, and the ones we Liberals are "supposedly" lacking? What the hell happened?

In the same way that Himmelfarb and Kristol journeyed from Partisan Review to Weekly Standard.
 
Yeah, Griffen isn't exactly aging gracefully ...

I'd always found her atrocious and below Cooper's class. He was slumming it with her.
 
In the same way that Himmelfarb and Kristol journeyed from Partisan Review to Weekly Standard.
Wow, there's a blast from the past! I wasn't aware of Kristol's Liberal underpinnings, though I wonder if some of that intermingles with his Conservatism, which is why he sometimes resonates with me.

Krauthammer - a guy I read and greatly respect - had a similar journey from Lib to Conservative. I always am fascinated by these type of stories and the intellectual rationale that causes one to switch political ideologies. In many ways they seem like the purist, most honest, and non-partisan stories.
 
I'd always found her atrocious and below Cooper's class. He was slumming it with her.
Yeah, she struck me as from a different time, Like John Belushi's, where the humor of that era just doesn't seem to play as well today. And I'm not speaking of political correctness, but of the humor type. Just like shock-jock doesn't seem to work that well anymore ...
 
Wow, there's a blast from the past! I wasn't aware of Kristol's Liberal underpinnings, though I wonder if some of that intermingles with his Conservatism, which is why he sometimes resonates with me.

Krauthammer - a guy I read and greatly respect - had a similar journey from Lib to Conservative. I always am fascinated by these type of stories and the intellectual rationale that causes one to switch political ideologies. In many ways they seem like the purist, most honest, and non-partisan stories.


Neocons forever!
 
Yeah, she struck me as from a different time, Like John Belushi's, where the humor of that era just doesn't seem to play as well today. And I'm not speaking of political correctness, but of the humor type. Just like shock-jock doesn't seem to work that well anymore ...

She was always Howard Stern's mini-me.
 
In this country morality was associated clearly with religious clerics. Certainly not by the free love drugs rock and roll hippie movement of Woodstock . Somehow the 'Christian right', became the only Christians that got media attention in this predominantly Christian country, and in this country during the 70's and 80's it was all Jerry Falwell, Phyliss Schafly, bashing the ERA and abortion rights, then during and post Reagan revolution Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson, Jimmy and Tammy Bakker, etc thanks to cable television and the Christian Broadcasting Network. The Christian left, never got on the air and nobody paid any attention to Jews or Muslims or non-theists at all. All we had was Rev Jesse Jackson to preach anything else, and that was on the Phil Donahue show or give a rousing once in four years oration at the Democratic convention.
You're a great social commentator, btthegreat. I felt I was right back there, again. Thanks for the reply.
 
She was always Howard Stern's mini-me.
Exactly. A comedian's version of a shock-jock. It's hard to pull-off today, and probably even harder for a women.
 
You're a great social commentator, btthegreat. I felt I was right back there, again. Thanks for the reply.
Do you think I am right? I really think that the sexual freedom and more liberalized view of pot etc, of the 60's and 70's alongside the women's liberation movement and later the gay rights movement got attached to one political ideology. It really could have gotten attached to the libertarianism that was asserting itself in the GOP as anti big government, but that was not how the fates deemed this to work out. Once we got labeled the ideology of sexual promiscuity, the pill, pot smoking and rock lyrics, the 'values' voters congregated around the only other visible option. Its simplistic but I think accurate.
 
Wow, there's a blast from the past! I wasn't aware of Kristol's Liberal underpinnings, though I wonder if some of that intermingles with his Conservatism, which is why he sometimes resonates with me.

Krauthammer - a guy I read and greatly respect - had a similar journey from Lib to Conservative. I always am fascinated by these type of stories and the intellectual rationale that causes one to switch political ideologies. In many ways they seem like the purist, most honest, and non-partisan stories.

The Kristol in this case was Irving, William's father.
 
“Freakish...” very apropos.

It was in her living room and she had a famous person officiate as if that would draw viewers. She could get married every New Years, more and more outrageously each time, and she will never again be next-to-Cooper famous.
 
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