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Communist regimes killed some 100 million people, roughly 4 times the number killed by the Nazis

BS, you forgot one thing , that R. is the independent country more than 40 years...by the way do you know that R. does today much better than your barbarian Asiatic Muscovy? "Rwanda's legal system is largely based on German and Belgian civil law systems and customary law.[60] The judiciary is independent of the executive branch" back on our topic, what can you say about Stalinist - Muscovite ethnic genocide of Kazakh people?

An independent country.....which had absorbed decades upon decades of propaganda and “scientific” racism promoting hatred between the ethnic groups in the country.

Oh look, more shrieking about Asians......and a comment which has nothing to do with them being “better off”. They are “better off” because the folks who listened to people like you got crushed.

It’s exactly the same as the Nazi-Lithuanian collaborator genocide of Lithuanian Jews.
 
the wrong numbers, but a good post. you will get my answer soon

Those numbers are the most accurate you'll get nowadays and a big reason why modern scholars don't suggest radical ones like 50 or 60 million. It's flat out impossible for Stalin to have killed that many people.
 
We'll like never know for sure how many people died because of Communist Regimes in the 20th Century, mostly because Red China kept no formal records of what happened during the Great Famine, so we're left with rough estimations that range from 10 million to 60 million.

But since Litwin loves to focus in on the Mongol Asiatic Asian Satanist Muscovite Stalinist Russia, it's worth pointing out that Stalin's death count is dwarfed by Hitlers, and it's not really even close.

We actually have a pretty good idea of how many people Stalin killed, because the NKVD kept rather meticulous records of their actions and Soviet demographics were regularly recorded. We know for example, that the Soviets killed 681,692 people during the Great Purge. Modern estimates for the Holodomor put Ukrainian deaths at around 4 million, while another 1-2 million died in the rest of the Soviet Union during the famine due to Stalin's insane agricultural reforms. Another million or so died due to forced relocations to other parts of the Soviet Union. Lastly we have the GULAG, of which 1.7 million died in. The issue with the GULAG statistics is that most of them died between 1941-1943, chiefly of starvation, when the USSR was in the middle of a war that saw most of it's agricultural areas under Nazi control, so the Soviets deciding to prioritize their limited food supplies for their non-prisoner population doesn't seem like a uniquely Soviet decision. In addition, the Soviets murdered some 40,000 to 60,000 Poles during their invasion and occupation of Poland.

So at the high end of things, we're looking at roughly 9-10 million deaths that can be attributed to Stalin. If we look at the lower end estimates, we get roughly 6.7 million deaths. So we'll say that Stalin was responsible for somewhere between 7-10 million deaths.

How many deaths Hitler is responsible for is difficult to determine, because there was a lot of overlap between groups killed (You can include Poles, Soviets, and Roma in the total number for those killed in the camps or not). We know for a fact that roughly 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis. A total number of 11 million is usually given to account for the other 5 million people killed during the Holocaust, but that number varies. I think the easiest way to do this is take the total dead and subtract the Jewish element to get the best answer. We'll exclude battlefield casualties for the sake of argument about what constitutes killing and focus on civilians.

We know Poland lost a total of 5-6 million people during the war, Yugoslavia some 1.5 million, and the Soviets 27 million. Let's exclude military casualties (60,000 for the Poles during the invasion, 300,000 Yugoslavs killed in action, and 9-10 million Soviet military casualties). But that number itself is suspect; 3 million Soviet soldiers died in POW camps, not the battlefield, starved to death by the Nazis. It also brings up the argument about how you define Partisans, as soldiers, or civilians, but we'll shelf that argument for now. Minus military casualties, Soviet losses were roughly 16-17 million people, either killed directly or as a result of the Nazi invasion. So we're looking at nearly 5 million Poles, 1 million Yugoslavs, 16 million Soviets (and when you include murdered POWs, 19 million) for a total of 25 million people killed by the Nazis. And that's not getting into the millions of Jews, Roma, and other minorities that were citizens of German satellite states that were also murdered.

Long story short, the Nazis killed more than the Soviets. Cue Litwin screaming about Asian Mongol Muscovite Satanist hordes.

"9-10 million deaths that can be attributed to Stalin" thank you for your maskal - stalinist whitewashing post , still, this book gives 20 000 000 number, meanwhile the real number is 40 000 000. you know why is it so ? because your maskal stanlist friends still hide the numbers , names, facts, in their archives . let me prove you wrong
1) how many big holodomors took place in ussr?
2) how many people killed holodomor (30th) in Belarus?
3) how many people killed in Kurapaty , how many similar place in Belarus ?
4) how many Kazakhs killed Maskal holodomor in Kazakhstan ? in Kazakh famine of 1932–33 - Wikipedia
5) how many people killed during The soviet Massive Deportations? "Crimean Tatars. According to different studies and censuses, between 20% and 46.2% of them died either during the journey or in the first year and a half of exile." The Soviet Massive Deportations - A Chronology | Sciences Po Violence de masse et Resistance - Reseau de recherche
6) dont you think that koba and hitler have shared responsibility for death of millions soviet POWS , if you know the story behind ...
 
"9-10 million deaths that can be attributed to Stalin" thank you for your maskal - stalinist whitewashing post , still, this book gives 20 000 000 number, meanwhile the real number is 40 000 000.

It is physically impossible for Stalin to have killed 40 million people. If that had been the case the entire demographics of the USSR would have reflected that, considering the losses in WWII amounted to 27 million on top of your insistence that Stalin killed 40 million people. Your suggestion would mean that the USSR lost 67 million people between Stalin's rule and WW2, over a third of their population, and by 1956 would still have to be 200,200,000. We know in 1926 the population of the Soviet Union was 147 million, so between WWII, famines, and Stalin's purges (which by your claims would total 67 million) you're suggesting that Soviet women produced 120 million children in that time span in order to yield a total population of 200 million in 1956. All this by a country who's fertility rate between 1918-1940 never exceeded 45/1000.
 
It is physically impossible for Stalin to have killed 40 million people. If that had been the case the entire demographics of the USSR would have reflected that, considering the losses in WWII amounted to 27 million on top of your insistence that Stalin killed 40 million people. Your suggestion would mean that the USSR lost 67 million people between Stalin's rule and WW2, over a third of their population, and by 1956 would still have to be 200,200,000. We know in 1926 the population of the Soviet Union was 147 million, so between WWII, famines, and Stalin's purges (which by your claims would total 67 million) you're suggesting that Soviet women produced 120 million children in that time span in order to yield a total population of 200 million in 1956. All this by a country who's fertility rate between 1918-1940 never exceeded 45/1000.

i dont see your answers, you dont need to post your pro - Stalinist narrative anymore i have seen it 1 000 000 times already
 
i dont see your answers, you dont need to post your pro - Stalinist narrative anymore i have seen it 1 000 000 times already

Poking holes in your numbers isn't Stalinist narrative.
 
i dont see your answers, you dont need to post your pro - Stalinist narrative anymore i have seen it 1 000 000 times already

So in other words you are in denial.
 
Communist regimes killed some 100 million people — roughly 4 times the number killed by the Nazis. I just wonder what Stalinists´ whitewashers will say about this fact ...

"The 20th century was "red" indeed — red with the blood of communism's victims. The death toll of communism, cited in "The Black Book of Communism," is simply staggering: In the USSR, nearly 20 million dead; China, 65 million; Vietnam, 1 million; Cambodia, 2 million; Eastern Europe, 1 million; Africa, 1.7 million; Afghanistan, 1.5 million; North Korea: 2 million (and counting). In all, Communist regimes killed some 100 million people — roughly four times the number killed by the Nazis — making communism the most murderous ideology in human history. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...9f28e0-c5c3-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html
related EP calls to counter Russia's attempts to whitewash Soviet crimes and rewrite history - LRT

The problem with this is that it fails.

It fails because it isn't the government that engages in the atrocities...it is the people who installed and were complicit with those atrocities...in other words, mankind is the culprit for killing and murdering...not any one ideology.
 
Re: Communist regimes killed some 100 million people — roughly 4 times the number killed by the Na

Ah, mystery solved

As opposed to PoS who likes Putin.
 
Re: Communist regimes killed some 100 million people — roughly 4 times the number killed by the Na

As opposed to PoS who likes Putin.

lol please point out a post where I said I like him, comrade.
 
Re: Communist regimes killed some 100 million people — roughly 4 times the number killed by the Na

lol please point out a post where I said I like him, comrade.

If you defend Putin's regime, and you do Ivan, that's tantamount to promoting him.
 
Re: Communist regimes killed some 100 million people — roughly 4 times the number killed by the Na

If you defend Putin's regime, and you do Ivan, that's tantamount to promoting him.

LOL is that you, Hillary?

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Re: Communist regimes killed some 100 million people — roughly 4 times the number killed by the Na

lol please point out a post where I said I like him, comrade.

all your last posts are with love to vovka putler
 
Re: Communist regimes killed some 100 million people — roughly 4 times the number killed by the Na

all your last posts are with love to vovka putler

All your posts promote love for Hitler and the Nazis. Congratulations.
 
Re: Communist regimes killed some 100 million people — roughly 4 times the number killed by the Na

Why the hell are we letting fascists and nazis into the forum again? The only reason the soviets get a higher kill count is because the soviet union lasted longer than the nazis.
 
Re: Communist regimes killed some 100 million people — roughly 4 times the number killed by the Na

why the dirty commie pigdogs have never allowed people to leave commie heaven freely ?


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