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    Is There an American Empire, Yes or No.

    Is Modern-Day America an empire or not? I say yes. Others say adamantly no. Let's hash this out.

    The definitions of empire according to the Oxford English Dictionary are:

    Noun:

    1) An extensive group of states or countries ruled over by a single monarch, an oligarchy, or a sovereign state.
    in names ‘the Roman Empire’

    1.1) A mass noun: Supreme political power over several countries when exercised by a single authority.
    ‘he encouraged the Greeks in their dream of empire in Asia Minor’
    ...
    1.2) An archaic mass noun: Absolute control over a person or group.

    2A) A large commercial organization owned or controlled by one person, group or state.
    ‘her business empire grew’

    2.1) An extensive sphere of activity controlled by one person, group or state.
    ‘each ministry, each department had its own empire, its own agenda and worked to protect its turf’
    Given those definitions and providing supporting proof can you answer the question to the satisfaction of others here?

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    Re: Is There an American Empire, Yes or No.

    Liberation is not imperialism.

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    Re: Is There an American Empire, Yes or No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    Is Modern-Day America an empire or not? I say yes. Others say adamantly no. Let's hash this out.

    The definitions of empire according to the Oxford English Dictionary are:



    Given those definitions and providing supporting proof can you answer the question to the satisfaction of others here?

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    Re: Is There an American Empire, Yes or No.

    My case is that there are in fact two American Empires. One is a traditional territorial empire taken by force during the late 19th Century and throughout the 20th Century. Places like Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, The Marshall Islands, Guam, the Virgin Islands, Cuba (for a time), etc. are or were part of this traditional territorial empire. For the sake of clarity I will not address lands seized by force from native Americans and Spanish/Mexican states on the continental USA.

    The second empire is an invisible one which does not appear on maps or in geography textbooks but is very real nonetheless. This invisible empire is a commercial one, held together by person to person ties (remember corporations and conglomerates are persons), by common business interests with some segment of a foreign population, by money and often by military or political intervention. This is where US diplomats co-opt local elites or rulers with money and business opportunities that best serve the interests of the USA and are less favourable to the local peoples' and state's interests. This used to be called dollar diplomacy but that phrase has gone out of fashion recently. If the local elites won't play ball, then the money which would have bought their cooperation goes to their ouster through regime change in order to find locals willing to play ball. The regime change may be done by strictly diplomatic means, by covert intelligence operatives in country or by external military intervention by the USA or its funded and trained proxies.

    The commercial empire is held together by money, business interests and by the aggressive exportation of American ideals, ideology, law (legal principles and extrajurisdictional laws) and the relentless marketing of American culture, consumerism and American style capitalism to the gently captive nations and states under the American Empire's influence. If something threatens that soft-power control, then political, economic, or military intervention is used up to and including full-blown state on state military confrontation, in order to remove obstacles to the Americanisation of the international hinterlands of the Empire. Control of the seas and airways is essential for this kind of commercial empire as is control of the financial and exchange mechanisms which enable international trade. America controls these with aircraft carrier task forces, attack submarines, foreign military and air bases, control of financial and trade exchanges and by trying to control of the sources or routes by which resources flow globally. Sometimes instead of imperialism we like to call it political, economic and military hegemony but it really boils down to soft-power imperialism coupled with sharp-stick, hard-power militarism, if the soft power does not take or hold.

    So, America has two empires. A vestigial territorial empire left over from the late 19th and early 20th centuries and a far larger and more profitable commercial empire which is very much a going concern right now. The commercial empire is being challenged by Europe, China, Russia (as a bit player) and even India. So when will the hard power start again I wonder?

    American imperialism - Wikipedia

    How the United States Reinvented Empire: A review of Daniel Immerwahr'''s "How to Hide an Empire" | The New Republic

    How the US has hidden its empire | News | The Guardian

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    Re: Is There an American Empire, Yes or No.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Liberation is not imperialism.
    ecofarm:

    No one said it was, but is America an empire? Make a case.

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    Re: Is There an American Empire, Yes or No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    Is Modern-Day America an empire or not? I say yes. Others say adamantly no. Let's hash this out.
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    Puerto Rico and Guam are our empire.

    If Puerto Rico becomes a state, that leaves just Guam.

    It's a modest empire at best.

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    Re: Is There an American Empire, Yes or No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    ecofarm:

    No one said it was, but is America an empire? Make a case.

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    Made my case. Good day.

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    Re: Is There an American Empire, Yes or No.

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Puerto Rico and Guam are our empire.

    If Puerto Rico becomes a state, that leaves just Guam.

    It's a modest empire at best.
    Their association is at their request. Not imperial.

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    Re: Is There an American Empire, Yes or No.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Liberation is not imperialism.
    We regularly establish military dictatorships, my dude. Maybe we've been more interested in simply installing power vacuums in the last few years, but very few of the places we intervene in militarily end up more prosperous and free. Our best success in living memory is basically South Korea, which was basically just juche with capitalist characteristics for a decent part of the late 20th century.
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    Re: Is There an American Empire, Yes or No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    We regularly establish military dictatorships, my dude. Maybe we've been more interested in simply installing power vacuums in the last few years, but very few of the places we intervene in militarily end up more prosperous and free. Our best success in living memory is basically South Korea, which was basically just juche with capitalist characteristics for a decent part of the late 20th century.
    Our enemies in war become democracies and experience, for the first time (except Germany), self determination. That's not imperialism. Imperialism is the opposite of self determination. Empire and liberator are antonyms.

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