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Operation Unthinkable (Western crusade against satanic - Stalinists ) was not executed ?

Slavister said:
Sure they asked, but so what? Of course Soviets would rather have some help and lose less people. Who would not. It does not change the fact that D Day did not happen until mid 1944, when Soviets already had Germany on the run.
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The Soviets asked for help because they couldn't beat the Nazis on their own and desperately needed a second front to take some of the pressure off. That's why they wanted the second front in the first place. Pretending that the only reason D-Day was launched was to keep the Soviets from winning n their own.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The example is on this thread and if you look at all the World War Two history threads there is the same cast of USSR fanboys.

I’m not wasting my time digging up examples when you won’t look back four posts on the thread you’re commenting on
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No one here is praising the Red Army as an unstoppable force.
 
Tigerace117 said:
EMN sees Unthinkable as the perfect opportunity to purge society of “leftists”, which is why he is desperately trying to pass it off as a good idea
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Except it wouldn't have purged society of leftists.
It might have purged some Soviet leftists.
 
Tigerace117 said:
EMN sees Unthinkable as the perfect opportunity to purge society of “leftists”, which is why he is desperately trying to pass it off as a good idea
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Well it is not the perfect opportunity as it is 70+ years too late.

I think delivering a death blow to Stalin would’ve been a good idea. If I were in charge of the allies I would still have waged war against Germany but the filthy reds would be on their own. No lend lease, no loans, no convoys to Murmansk (in fact I would have massive convoys going to Finland to supply them for the Continuation war) Stalin is removed in a palace coup and Hitler is subject to strategic bombing with atomic bombs until palace coup removes him.

No Stalin means no Kruschev, no Castro, no communist insurgencies in Vietnam or Latin America. Awesome second half of 20th century of peace oh no commies in Afghanistan means maybe that country advances too.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well it is not the perfect opportunity as it is 70+ years too late.

I think delivering a death blow to Stalin would’ve been a good idea. If I were in charge of the allies I would still have waged war against Germany but the filthy reds would be on their own. No lend lease, no loans, no convoys to Murmansk (in fact I would have massive convoys going to Finland to supply them for the Continuation war) Stalin is removed in a palace coup and Hitler is subject to strategic bombing with atomic bombs until palace coup removes him.

No Stalin means no Kruschev, no Castro, no communist insurgencies in Vietnam or Latin America. Awesome second half of 20th century of peace oh no commies in Afghanistan means maybe that country advances too.
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Nuclear weapon detonation in Germany...you're serious. :eek:
 
Tigerace117 said:
The Soviets asked for help because they couldn't beat the Nazis on their own and desperately needed a second front to take some of the pressure off. That's why they wanted the second front in the first place. Pretending that the only reason D-Day was launched was to keep the Soviets from winning n their own.
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Sorry, that's just propaganda. Soviets asked for invasion since 1942 but did not get it until mid 1944. As it turned out, Soviets did not NEED Allies but surely Allies entering the war helped shorten it in the last 11 months. Here, look at this video - look at how much Soviets lost (e.g. Nov-Dec 1941), and then regained by the time D-Day rolled around. Not only Soviets expelled Germany from much of Russia by D-Day, they were already freeing Eastern Europe.

 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Nuclear weapon detonation in Germany...you're serious. :eek:
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If Hitler wouldn’t surrender?

However many nukes until he either gets smart or coup’d

I think it would have been perfectly appropriate to glass Moscow for refusing to abandon Poland
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well it is not the perfect opportunity as it is 70+ years too late.

I think delivering a death blow to Stalin would’ve been a good idea. If I were in charge of the allies I would still have waged war against Germany but the filthy reds would be on their own. No lend lease, no loans, no convoys to Murmansk (in fact I would have massive convoys going to Finland to supply them for the Continuation war) Stalin is removed in a palace coup and Hitler is subject to strategic bombing with atomic bombs until palace coup removes him.

No Stalin means no Kruschev, no Castro, no communist insurgencies in Vietnam or Latin America. Awesome second half of 20th century of peace oh no commies in Afghanistan means maybe that country advances too.
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So in other words you’d be supplying a German co-belligerent......which had German troops in country.....with equipment?

That’s an great way to ensure that the Nazis get plenty of allied gear to test out and determine weaknesses, and turn the war into even more of a bloodbath than it would already have been.

Until a Soviet agent, or simply someone disgusted with your policies, sabotages the atomic bomb and your ace in the hole winds up being the rough equivalent of a wet fart.

Pretty much laughable false; even without Stalin there is still going to be nationalistic rebellions against the French in Indochina, and Batista is still going to alienate the Cuban people through his corruption and brutality. It goes double for the various juntas; liberation theology is definitely going to still be a thing, especially when the various death squads start hacking people up. What are you going to do then, nuke Havana?

Second half of the century is going to be just as bloody as OTL, with the added bonus of the US having shot it’s bolt.
 
Slavister said:
Sorry, that's just propaganda. Soviets asked for invasion since 1942 but did not get it until mid 1944. As it turned out, Soviets did not NEED Allies but surely Allies entering the war helped shorten it in the last 11 months. Here, look at this video - look at how much Soviets lost (e.g. Nov-Dec 1941), and then regained by the time D-Day rolled around. Not only Soviets expelled Germany from much of Russia by D-Day, they were already freeing Eastern Europe.

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Yes, because the Western Allies weren’t ready to launch a full scale invasion in 1942 (the Dieppe dry run went poorly) and the Italian campaign, the first shot at a second front, didn’t go as well as expected.

Yes, the Soviets certainly did need the allies. Allied lend lease played a crucial role in keeping the Soviet war machine going(although not a decisive one) and it was still a long way between “most” of Russia being retaken and the Soviets actually wining the war.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
If Hitler wouldn’t surrender?

However many nukes until he either gets smart or coup’d

I think it would have been perfectly appropriate to glass Moscow for refusing to abandon Poland
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How to murder millions of people and completely isolate the United States right when we have the chance to take center stage 101.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, because the Western Allies weren’t ready to launch a full scale invasion in 1942 (the Dieppe dry run went poorly) and the Italian campaign, the first shot at a second front, didn’t go as well as expected.

Yes, the Soviets certainly did need the allies. Allied lend lease played a crucial role in keeping the Soviet war machine going(although not a decisive one) and it was still a long way between “most” of Russia being retaken and the Soviets actually wining the war.
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Sure, maybe Western Allies weren't ready but the point stands. Soviets would have likely won without Allies. It would have taken longer AND would be more bloody for them but Germans were on the run for a year before D-Day arrived.

Your earlier statement of "they couldn't beat the Nazis on their own and desperately needed a second front to take some of the pressure off" is completely off. Western Allies in fact needed Soviets to win way more than the other way around.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well it is not the perfect opportunity as it is 70+ years too late.

I think delivering a death blow to Stalin would’ve been a good idea. If I were in charge of the allies I would still have waged war against Germany but the filthy reds would be on their own. No lend lease, no loans, no convoys to Murmansk (in fact I would have massive convoys going to Finland to supply them for the Continuation war) Stalin is removed in a palace coup and Hitler is subject to strategic bombing with atomic bombs until palace coup removes him.

No Stalin means no Kruschev, no Castro, no communist insurgencies in Vietnam or Latin America. Awesome second half of 20th century of peace oh no commies in Afghanistan means maybe that country advances too.
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very logical post, but olgino trolls will hate it , so what they can do ? just swallow (1991) and live with it :lol:
 
"Because it would have been a bloodbath" commie maskal, you are lying, it have been a bloodbath,

but it´d be a liberation from satanic - mongol -commie, Asiatic anti - Christ rule of evil maskals
 
FB , AK, and UPA´d easy destroy all line of communication of the stalinist hordes of the rapists

 
Litwin said:
"Because it would have been a bloodbath" commie maskal, you are lying, it have been a bloodbath,

but it´d be a liberation from satanic - mongol -commie, Asiatic anti - Christ rule of evil maskals
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Yes, I’m sure all the nazi collaborators who hadn’t been shot at that point would crawl out of the woodwork to cheer about being liberated from “asians” :roll:

The Prague Spring was more than twenty years down the line. Prague in 1945 was more interested in not starving to death than in having the rubble of the city reduced to more rubble.

And yes, it would have been a bloodbath. The Soviets by 1945 were extremely battle hardened, had some very good kit, and numerically speaking outnumbered the Allied forces.....which was the whole reason why it was laughed out of the room to begin with.
 
" I’m sure all the nazi collaborators " you know who are N1 the Nazi collaborators today ? maskal , commie Stalinist, imperialist folk like you. 1) you were the allies with Hitler until summer 1941 , worked together heard occupying independent countries 2) today you have very famous I Ilyin as your official Ideologist , name me anther one which us using the fascist ideology ? only you maskal guys
The fascist philosopher behind Vladimir Putin’s information warfare
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Litwin said:
" I’m sure all the nazi collaborators " you know who are N1 the Nazi collaborators today ? maskal , commie Stalinist, imperialist folk like you. 1) you were the allies with Hitler until summer 1941 , worked together heard occupying independent countries 2) today you have very famous I Ilyin as your official Ideologist , name me anther one which us using the fascist ideology ? only you maskal guys

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And people like you, who throw around “mongol” and “Asian” as insults.

Oh, and the government of Lithuania, which actively supports the celebration of nazi collaborators.....today.

So your hysterics about this Ilyin guy are especially funny given that people like Noreika are celebrated by your own government.

Still waiting for your proof that I’m a “Stalinist”.
 
Tigerace117 said:
And people like you, who throw around “mongol” and “Asian” as insults.

Oh, and the government of Lithuania, which actively supports the celebration of nazi collaborators.....today.

So your hysterics about this Ilyin guy are especially funny given that people like Noreika are celebrated by your own government.

Still waiting for your proof that I’m a “Stalinist”.
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You are in for a long wait.
 
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