• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Koba (stalin) killed more Ukrainians than Hitler killed Jews, says USA congressman Rep. Michael McCa

Litwin

Litwin

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 2, 2017
Messages
33,607
Reaction score
5,193
Location
GDL/Sweden
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
Rep. Michael McCaul is right actually, why are so few people in the world know it today ? and why Muscovite empire (which declared itself USSR successor in 1991) does not pay compensation (after Nuremberg N2) to Ukrainians?

"
A Texas congressman compared the Holocaust to a man-made famine that decimated the Soviet Ukraine in the early 1930s.

Speaking this week at a conference organized by the conservative American Enterprise Institute, Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican and the House Homeland Security Committee chairman, said that “Stalin killed more people in Ukraine than Hitler killed Jews in World War II. They basically worked them to death for the bread and the food that they made in Ukraine.”

Stalin killed more Ukrainians than Hitler killed Jews, says congressman | The Times of Israel
 
Litwin said:
Rep. Michael McCaul is right actually, why are so few people in the world know it today ? and why Muscovite empire (which declared itself USSR successor in 1991) does not pay compensation (after Nuremberg N2) to Ukrainians?

"
A Texas congressman compared the Holocaust to a man-made famine that decimated the Soviet Ukraine in the early 1930s.

Speaking this week at a conference organized by the conservative American Enterprise Institute, Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican and the House Homeland Security Committee chairman, said that “Stalin killed more people in Ukraine than Hitler killed Jews in World War II. They basically worked them to death for the bread and the food that they made in Ukraine.”

Stalin killed more Ukrainians than Hitler killed Jews, says congressman | The Times of Israel
Click to expand...

It depends. Modern estimates of the Holocaust sit at around 6 million Jews, although some estimates put it at 5 million.

Most estimates put Ukrainians deaths during the Holodomor at around 3-4 million, with some rounded up to 5. euromaidanpress.com/2016/11/27/holodomor-victims-death-toll-stalin-famine-ukraine-estimates/

So, maybe, but it seems more likely that more Jews were killed in the Holocaust than Ukrainians died in the Holodomor.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
It depends. Modern estimates of the Holocaust sit at around 6 million Jews, although some estimates put it at 5 million.

Most estimates put Ukrainians deaths during the Holodomor at around 3-4 million, with some rounded up to 5. euromaidanpress.com/2016/11/27/holodomor-victims-death-toll-stalin-famine-ukraine-estimates/

So, maybe, but it seems more likely that more Jews were killed in the Holocaust than Ukrainians died in the Holodomor.
Click to expand...

how many Holodomors ( man-made famines ) in Ukraine koba and his Muscovite gang had responsible for ?

Soviet famine of 1946–47 - Wikipedia
 
Litwin said:
how many Holodomors ( man-made famines ) in Ukraine koba and his Muscovite gang had responsible for ?

Soviet famine of 1946–47 - Wikipedia
Click to expand...

The post war famine was a direct response of the devastation of Soviet infrastructure and agriculture during WWII. I'm not sure you can really pin the blame on Moscow for that.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
The post war famine was a direct response of the devastation of Soviet infrastructure and agriculture during WWII. I'm not sure you can really pin the blame on Moscow for that.
Click to expand...

Continuing on -- Others claim that the Soviet policies that caused the famine were an engineered attack on Ukrainian nationalism, or more broadly, on all peasants, in order to prevent uprisings.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
The post war famine was a direct response of the devastation of Soviet infrastructure and agriculture during WWII. I'm not sure you can really pin the blame on Moscow for that.
Click to expand...

its a stalinist myth. Muscovite Asiatic occupants robbed off Ukrainians, Belarusians, Moldovans , Cossacks grain and literally all anther food .
 
Litwin said:
its a stalinist myth. Muscovite Asiatic occupants robbed off Ukrainians, Belarusians, Moldovans , Cossacks grain and literally all anther food .
Click to expand...

Your hate boner for Russians is veering dangerously close to straight up ethnic bigotry.
 
nitroexpress said:
Continuing on -- Others claim that the Soviet policies that caused the famine were an engineered attack on Ukrainian nationalism, or more broadly, on all peasants, in order to prevent uprisings.
Click to expand...

Sure, and some people claim that Marxism was really just a Jewish plot.

I find it hard to believe that the Soviets were seriously worried about Ukrainian nationalist uprisings after WW2, considering more Ukrainians were awarded for their service in the Red army than there were Ukrainian volunteers for the Germans.
 
nitroexpress said:
Continuing on -- Others claim that the Soviet policies that caused the famine were an engineered attack on Ukrainian nationalism, or more broadly, on all peasants, in order to prevent uprisings.
Click to expand...

its absolutely correct , Ukraine is the biggest European country , for Asiatic commie occupants it was too big to swallow
"Red Famine: Stalin's War on Ukraine" by Anne Applebaum
Click to expand...
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Your hate boner for Russians is veering dangerously close to straight up ethnic bigotry.
Click to expand...

you are wrong, its indicate only Muscovite despotic (Mongolian) Asian FORM of governance, i live in THE post racial world, I dont care about races, blood, DNA, size of noses , etc
 
Litwin said:
you are wrong, its indicate only Muscovite despotic (Mongolian) Asian FORM of governance, i live in THE post racial world, I dont care about races, blood, DNA, size of noses , etc
Click to expand...

Now why do I not buy that
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Now why do I not buy that
Click to expand...

i dont know and frankly i dont care , so whats about :
Droughts and famines in Russia and the Soviet Union - Wikipedia
Droughts and famines in Russia and the Soviet Union - Wikipedia
The last major famine in the USSR happened mainly in 1947 as a cumulative effect of consequences of collectivization, war damage, the severe drought in 1946 in over 50 percent of the grain-productive zone of the country and government social policy and mismanagement of grain reserves. The regions primarily affected were Transnistria in Moldova and South Eastern Ukraine.[39][40] Between 100,000 and one million people may have perished.[41]
Click to expand...
 
Litwin said:
Rep. Michael McCaul is right actually, why are so few people in the world know it today ? and why Muscovite empire (which declared itself USSR successor in 1991) does not pay compensation (after Nuremberg N2) to Ukrainians?

"
A Texas congressman compared the Holocaust to a man-made famine that decimated the Soviet Ukraine in the early 1930s.

Speaking this week at a conference organized by the conservative American Enterprise Institute, Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican and the House Homeland Security Committee chairman, said that “Stalin killed more people in Ukraine than Hitler killed Jews in World War II. They basically worked them to death for the bread and the food that they made in Ukraine.”

Stalin killed more Ukrainians than Hitler killed Jews, says congressman | The Times of Israel
Click to expand...

The European Ukrainian population was larger than the Jewish population. Hitler also killed more ethic Slavs than Jews, but the entire Slavic population was nowhere near complete annihilation as the Jewish population was.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
It depends. Modern estimates of the Holocaust sit at around 6 million Jews, although some estimates put it at 5 million.

Most estimates put Ukrainians deaths during the Holodomor at around 3-4 million, with some rounded up to 5. euromaidanpress.com/2016/11/27/holodomor-victims-death-toll-stalin-famine-ukraine-estimates/

So, maybe, but it seems more likely that more Jews were killed in the Holocaust than Ukrainians died in the Holodomor.
Click to expand...

Hitler killed something like 50 million ethnic slavs, so even Hitler killed more ethnic slavs than he did Jewish
 
nitroexpress said:
Continuing on -- Others claim that the Soviet policies that caused the famine were an engineered attack on Ukrainian nationalism, or more broadly, on all peasants, in order to prevent uprisings.
Click to expand...

It was also mismanagement. Farmers with knowledge of farming were killed or sent east, and that caused a crisis in itself.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Your hate boner for Russians is veering dangerously close to straight up ethnic bigotry.
Click to expand...

All he does is start negative threads about Russian history and modern events.
 
SheWolf said:
All he does is start negative threads about Russian history and modern events.
Click to expand...
He even posted a thread that favored the Nazi occupation of Hungary over its liberation by Soviet troops. Twisted.
 
1. Prague is capital of Czechoslovakia, not Hungary , than ask the locals how they called 55 years of Stalinist occupation
2. oldman, its an outdated Stalinist trick , to call anyone who is against Stalinist occupation and Asiatic tyranny is Nazi & fascist . you guys have called Israeli Jews for Nazis& fascist s in 70-80s , Finns in 30-40s, Americans in 70-80s, Ukrainians, Balts, Georgians today . it does not work anymore ,


13-Jew-Hitler-Axe.jpg

15-Museum-painting.jpg

Why is Kremlin propaganda always the same? all who fight them are Nazis? Israelis, Ukrainians, Fin

Anne Applebaum described perfectly this trick of Stalinist totalitarian propaganda in her book YouTube
 
Litwin said:
1. Prague is capital of Czechoslovakia, not Hungary , than ask the locals how they called 55 years of Stalinist occupation
2. oldman, its an outdated Stalinist trick , to call anyone who is against Stalinist occupation and Asiatic tyranny is Nazi & fascist . you guys have called Israeli Jews for Nazis& fascist s in 70-80s , Finns in 30-40s, Americans in 70-80s, Ukrainians, Balts, Georgians today . it does not work anymore ,


13-Jew-Hitler-Axe.jpg

15-Museum-painting.jpg

Why is Kremlin propaganda always the same? all who fight them are Nazis? Israelis, Ukrainians, Fin

Anne Applebaum described perfectly this trick of Stalinist totalitarian propaganda in her book YouTube
Click to expand...

Some might ask whether Applebaum’s writing is more accessible to “non-specialist” readers. There are many excellent writers among Slavic specialists, and a more accurate account could easily have been presented in clear and simple language. Applebaum’s writing does not “simplify” the truth, it obscures it, as discussed in this review. Red Famine thus does not fit well in the existing scholarly literature, even as “popular history.” Its interpretation resembles that of Conquest’s Harvest of Sorrow, and it does use recent published sources that provide vivid descriptions of many people’s experiences in the famine. But it leaves out too much important information, has false claims on key points, and draws unjustified conclusions on important issues based on incomplete use of sources, making it not even close to the level of genuine scholarship, like Davies and Wheatcroft’s Years of Hunger. Red Famine is better characterized by a passage from Peter Kenez’s book on The Birth of the Propaganda State: “propaganda often means telling less than the truth, misleading people … manipulating and distorting information, lying” and addresses “audiences in simple language…”

Review of Anne Applebaum’s “Red Famine: Stalin’s War on Ukraine” | History News
Network
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom