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Who Started World War II, the answer is clear USSR and Koba with occupation of BPR, UPR, Georgia , B

Tigerace117 said:
Which had nothing to do with the Second World War.

Yes, the Soviets crushed many breakaway groups after the Russian civil war. Trying to call that “the start of world war 2” is moronic.
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"russian civil war"? its a stalinist propaganda , "Russian civil war" its when " when stalinist Muscovite hordes attacked Georgian, Polish , Armenian, or Belarusian independent states ?
 
Tigerace117 said:
The Nazis invaded first; the Soviets only invaded once it became obvious the Poles were doomed.
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so its ok? if a victim can not fight back you can freely join the rape , right, its ok according you ?
 
Litwin said:
"russian civil war"? its a stalinist propaganda , "Russian civil war" its when " when stalinist Muscovite hordes attacked Georgian, Polish , Armenian, or Belarusian independent states ?
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No, it was a civil war. Like literally hundreds of other ones before it. Calling it “Stalinist propaganda” is idiotic.

Yes, various groups took the chance to try and break away during the civil war. Yes, the Russians reconquered most of them. That had nothing to do with the Second World War.
 
Litwin said:
so its ok? if a victim can not fight back you can freely join the rape , right, its ok according you ?
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Who said anything about it being okay? It is simply a fact that it was the Nazis—not the Soviets—who started World War Two.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Who said anything about it being okay? It is simply a fact that it was the Nazis—not the Soviets—who started World War Two.
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did koba attack polish empire , following his pact with hitler?
 
Tigerace117 said:
No, it was a civil war. Like literally hundreds of other ones before it. Calling it “Stalinist propaganda” is idiotic.

Yes, various groups took the chance to try and break away during the civil war. Yes, the Russians reconquered most of them. That had nothing to do with the Second World War.
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in 1917 Muscovite empire , which was czars private realm not a real modern state . is has collapsed and never came back , much like Spanish or french empires . Bolsheviks were an intentional criminal gang (USSR was not a state, arms did not have "russian" map on it, national song was international, etc) , which stated ww2 once they took over Muscovy heartland , in 80s they took over even Ethiopia if you don't know
 
Litwin said:
in 1917 Muscovite empire , which was czars private realm not a real modern state . is has collapsed and never came back , much like Spanish or french empires . Bolsheviks were an intentional criminal gang (USSR was not a state, arms did not have "russian" map on it, national song was international, etc) , which stated ww2 once they took over Muscovy heartland , in 80s they took over even Ethiopia if you don't know
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:lamo

What a titanic load of crap.

No, the Bolsheviks were not an “international criminal gang”. No, Russia was very much not the “Tsar’s private realm” by 1917; Russians simply weren’t willing to put up with that kind of absolutism anymore and hadn’t been for years. That was a big part of why there was the 1905 revolution.

Countries are allowed to change their flags. France’s flag looks far different than the one it flew under the Sun King. That doesn’t mean the Republic “isn’t a state”.

Again, the fact that the USSR chose the Internationale as it’s anthem does not mean it’s not a state. That is a idiotic criteria fro determining such a thing.

No, again World War Two began in Europe when the Germans invaded Poland, and in Asia with the Second Sino-Japanese War.

No, the soviets did not “take over Ethiopia”. The Derg was its own regime.
 
Litwin said:
did koba attack polish empire , following his pact with hitler?
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A) “the polish empire” was not a thing. Poland was a republic at the outbreak of World War Two.

B) Stalin attacked the Poles after Hitler started the war, yes.
 
swing_voter said:
France and allies forced Germany to pay reparations for WWI. This trashed the German economy and let to hard economic times. The hard economic times led to the rise of the communists in Germany. People who didn't want the communists to come into power looked around for someone to stop the communists. Hitler said he'd stop the communists, and he did. The rest you know.
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Not a bad analysis. The crime of the last century was WWI. It killed the youth of Europe, had us betray our Arab allies, and gave us Hitler and the holocaust and Stalin and his crimes for desert. We are still paying for its mistakes.
 
Who started WWII? Hitler.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
...Do you mean the second Polish Republic?
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don't you think it was not a republic but pure 19c-20c empire 19c-20c?
i dont 100% agree with map´s languages lines, but still
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Tigerace117 said:
A) “the polish empire” was not a thing. Poland was a republic at the outbreak of World War Two.

B) Stalin attacked the Poles after Hitler started the war, yes.
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what do you know about nature of it form of governance? was it real republic, specially in 30s ?

you kobba attacked poland as well and Britain was obligated to declare war or satanism , but UK government was badly infected by koba´s useful idiots and Marxists. you for instance are a clear supporter of stalinism and muscovite empires in all forms
 
calamity said:
Jesus ****ing Christ. :doh

Nazis started WW2. What you are talking about had nothing to do with the war.

End thread.
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Actually it was probably the Japanese. They were at war against the Chinese far earlier than anyone else.
 
zyzygy said:
Who started WWII? Hitler.
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Could also claim it was Wilhelm II, his building up of the armed forces, especially the navy led to WW1, which led to WW2.
 
I just wanted to thank the OP for teaching me that "Koba" was the name that Marshal Stalin called himself when he was a young man.

The Web taught me that "Koba" was the name for someone like Robin Hood in Stalin's home country of Georgia.
 
Litwin said:
don't you think it was not a republic but pure 19c-20c empire 19c-20c?
i dont 100% agree with map´s languages lines, but still
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Not really.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Actually it was probably the Japanese. They were at war against the Chinese far earlier than anyone else.
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Well, so we can blame the British then. :)
 
calamity said:
Well, so we can blame the British then. :)
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That's the thing with History. You can go back and back and back and find points that lead to conflicts much later on.
 
Litwin said:
what do you know about nature of it form of governance? was it real republic, specially in 30s ?

you kobba attacked poland as well and Britain was obligated to declare war or satanism , but UK government was badly infected by koba´s useful idiots and Marxists. you for instance are a clear supporter of stalinism and muscovite empires in all forms
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“Satanism”?

Why would Britain declare war on “satanism”?

England and France weren’t prepared to fight Germany, much less Germany and the USSR together. There was a plan to launch air strikes against the USSR, but it was shelved because of that fact.

Pointing out that you are an idiot for claiming World War Two started in 1921 and that the Nazis are far worse than the Soviets does not make me a “Stalinist”.

They certainly were not an “empire”.
 
Litwin said:
stalinism is form of satanism , war on the God, do you know what commies did to the christian priests ? so you are on of those stalinists?
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Again, patently false. The Soviet Union was officially an atheistic society where religious belief was deemed incompatible with being a good communist; while there were periods of exception to that rule—most notably during the Second World War—they certainly didn’t worship the devil.

Nothing worse than what ole Adolf did to Christian priests who didn’t support him.
 
The Germans, the French and the British are jointly responsible for beginning the European part of WWII. The Soviets were opportunistic in their militarism but did not themselves start the war. The Imperial Japanese were responsible for starting the Asian part of the war which actually predated the European part. The roots of WWII lie in WWI and the roots of WWI lie in the Franco-Prussian War. So if we are going back to root causes we can blame WWII on the Prussians.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Litwin said:
don't you think it was not a republic but pure 19c-20c empire 19c-20c?
i dont 100% agree with map´s languages lines, but still
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Litwin:

Oh look. According to Litwin's cited map all the rivers of Poland are of German descent as they are coloured blue. Silly, yes but this demonstrates how misinterpreting historical data can make one seem pretty silly. Such misinterpretation of data is the cornerstone of Litwin's very flawed argument. WWII in Europe was started by the French and British declarations of war in response to the German attack on Poland on Sept. 1st, 1939. The Germans started the war but the Brits, the British Empire and the Fench widened it. The Soviets widened it even further when they co-invaded Poland and invaded the Baltic States on the 17th of September, 1939. Italy would follow 9 months later while France was in its death throes from the German invasion of that country.

The Soviets have a lot to answer for in the 20th Century, but starting WWII is not one of them.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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