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Most Overated American Military Commander in History OR Most Overated in World History?

In WW I MacArthur was awarded the Silver Star seven times. Patton said MacArthur was "the bravest man I ever met." It was when MacArthur was promoted to brig. gen. As reform superintendent of West Point where MacArthur had graduated first in his class he prepared the officer corps for the mechanized, airborne and tank warfare of WW II in Europe. Legend had it MacArthur personally shot the Army's last horse.

In the Pacific in WW II for every combatant who died under MacArthur's command 7 Japanese combatants died.

As military governor of Japan MacArthur shipped in supplies from allied forces to prevent a post war famine. MacArthur oversaw the Japan post war Constitution by which democracy was established and women got the franchise. MacArthur assumed his duty as a mission.

At Inchon MacArthur had air superiority while the NK generals positioned their forces everywhere but Inchon. When you look at the list of alternative sites prepared by MacArthur's staff the NK generals had established defenses at each one, except Inchon. He made the 1st Marine Division lead in the Inchon successful order of battle which stopped Potus Truman in his tracks trying to incorporate USMC into the Army. The Navy's success at Inchon also arrested Truman's trying to fold up the WW II Navy and its aircraft carriers in particular. While Inchon did not defeat the NK Army it did relieve US and SK forces encircled at Busan and it liberated SK.


MacArthur's reforms at USMA focused on the following questions among others that led to the Army's Louisiana Maneuvers of 1940-41:

Just because more Japanese died than Americans does not mean that his plan was not wholly unnecessary. Every American who died in the Philippines campaign was an unnecessary death, the whole campaign was solely to settle MacArthur's personal score. It was clear that the Navy's plan was better, and involved a much smaller human cost.

Then in the Korean War his decisions heavily contributed to the Chinese joining the war, if they didn't we would probably have no North Korea today.

From your post it sounds like he was a much better administrator than general.
 
I don't deny Jackson's record.

You deny Jackson's complete record, choosing to get down on your knees for Jackson rather than face any realistic and complete assessment of him.

I do like your rapid high speed preparedness though. No sooner did I make my post than your full and colorful post came in instantly like a flash right after it. Like a dog snapping at my heels it is. You live for this Sergeant. Healthy it's not. And when it is ex military acting in these ways it draws attention to itself. Sergeant.

Still waiting for the battles he slept through.

You haven't shown a single one.

Perhaps because you were lying and got caught.

A real officer would not make the ignorant claims you do. A real officer can separate political issues from military prowess. A real officer understands even great generals can lose battles and even wars.

You are the polar opposite.

An anti-officer....
 
I would say that George Washington is by far the most overrated American military leader because he has basically been elevated to a deity when in reality he was a horrible commander. He just made a great face for the revolution.
 
Still waiting for the battles he slept through.

You haven't shown a single one.

Perhaps because you were lying and got caught.

A real officer would not make the ignorant claims you do. A real officer can separate political issues from military prowess. A real officer understands even great generals can lose battles and even wars.

You are the polar opposite.

An anti-officer....

Once you decide on a mantra you go with it no matter what gets posted. Yet it's the same mantra year in an year out, for 4 years now and counting. I post the content then you make several posts saying there's no content. Rinse and Repeat.

And while it's overwhelming against Jackson that's of no matter to you.

Because it's not Jackson who matters. All each person, place or thing is to you is your vehicle. You have your own personal ex military obsessive compulsive bent. Long term which means forever. Nothing will satisfy you because you have come to realize you need this.

We know Jackson was shot mortally by his own troops. We also know CSA generals seemed to have a high rate of generals shot by their own troops. By accident of course.

CSA Army lost a lot of generals in combat too, especially so for an Army that is supposed to have so many tactically "brilliant" generals. Jackson who was deaf, apparently narcoleptic, sleepwalking much of the time, a hypochondriac and awful on his horse where he snoozed regularly got plugged scouting at night in the woods with staff alongside him. Plugged by his own guys. They thought Jackson was a yankee if one can believe that.
 
Once you decide on a mantra you go with it no matter what gets posted. Yet it's the same mantra year in an year out, for 4 years now and counting. I post the content then you make several posts saying there's no content. Rinse and Repeat.

And while it's overwhelming against Jackson that's of no matter to you.

Because it's not Jackson who matters. All each person, place or thing is to you is your vehicle. You have your own personal ex military obsessive compulsive bent. Long term which means forever. Nothing will satisfy you because you have come to realize you need this.

We know Jackson was shot mortally by his own troops. We also know CSA generals seemed to have a high rate of generals shot by their own troops. By accident of course.

CSA Army lost a lot of generals in combat too, especially so for an Army that is supposed to have so many tactically "brilliant" generals. Jackson who was deaf, apparently narcoleptic, sleepwalking much of the time, a hypochondriac and awful on his horse where he snoozed regularly got plugged scouting at night in the woods with staff alongside him. Plugged by his own guys. They thought Jackson was a yankee if one can believe that.

And another post long on Tangmo, short on substance....

Yes, we know Jackson was shot by his own troops.... Over and over you have repeatedly stated such as if it mattered towards Jackson's performance as a General. Over and over you have prattle about Jackson's issues...

What remains despite Tangmopinion is a man who saw more combat in one second than Tangmo did his whole life. Add to that an almost unbroken streak of victories. We who have served and/or are students of the art of war tend to grade leaders on their results and what difficulties they have overcome. Not merely their handicaps.

We leave the listing of handicaps to armchair officers and keyboard commandos.
 
And another post long on Tangmo, short on substance....

Yes, we know Jackson was shot by his own troops.... Over and over you have repeatedly stated such as if it mattered towards Jackson's performance as a General. Over and over you have prattle about Jackson's issues...

What remains despite Tangmopinion is a man who saw more combat in one second than Tangmo did his whole life. Add to that an almost unbroken streak of victories. We who have served and/or are students of the art of war tend to grade leaders on their results and what difficulties they have overcome. Not merely their handicaps.

We leave the listing of handicaps to armchair officers and keyboard commandos.

Jackson the Southern Wasp religious fanatic that he was apparently considered himself to be the Lord's vehicle for the CSA in the Civil War. A lot of the CSA generals and troops were OTT religious as all hell which illustrates a lot too. That is, they were extreme and self righteous -- hell bent intolerant.

Here the thread and topic are your vehicle for your calculated and determined purposes as an ex military guy who has both a bent and an axe to grind, and then some. Another thread and topic is another vehicle for it, whatever the thread and topic. Methinks also that in the very recent weeks you've acquired a new approach that, while it is only tentative, is more than evident, as we see in the post. It's long overdue as your postings have always been in a dire need of competent debate counselling, supervision, direction. In a word, respectability. A respectability of which you alone are incapable.

Jackson meanwhile had acquired disabilities that disqualified him from command -- several disabilities in fact. Multiple disabilities indeed. Most severely, Jackson slept chronically, thereby rendering his multiple thousands of veteran troops idle while thousands of Confederate troops died unnecessarily and objectives became more burdensome to attain. Seven Days Battles illustrated the fact and the cost unacceptably. It put a spotlight on the fact Jackson had become erratic, undependable, unreliable. A negative to the cause, lost as it was anyway.

Yet there either wasn't any protocol to remove the disabled and haphazard Jackson from his high command, or, given Jackson's political and military stature and clout, lesser subordinates taking any such route of relief was apparently deemed impractical (if not disruptive of military discipline and good order in wartime). So Jackson RIP given the impervious, haughty and self doomed incompetent that he'd become. Jackson is a lesson of how honorable and meritorious military service can take ironic twists and end up going south. Or west. Or wherever.
 
Jackson the Southern Wasp religious fanatic that he was apparently considered himself to be the Lord's vehicle for the CSA in the Civil War. A lot of the CSA generals and troops were OTT religious as all hell which illustrates a lot too. That is, they were extreme and self righteous -- hell bent intolerant.

Here the thread and topic are your vehicle for your calculated and determined purposes as an ex military guy who has both a bent and an axe to grind, and then some. Another thread and topic is another vehicle for it, whatever the thread and topic. Methinks also that in the very recent weeks you've acquired a new approach that, while it is only tentative, is more than evident, as we see in the post. It's long overdue as your postings have always been in a dire need of competent debate counselling, supervision, direction. In a word, respectability. A respectability of which you alone are incapable.

Jackson meanwhile had acquired disabilities that disqualified him from command -- several disabilities in fact. Multiple disabilities indeed. Most severely, Jackson slept chronically, thereby rendering his multiple thousands of veteran troops idle while thousands of Confederate troops died unnecessarily and objectives became more burdensome to attain. Seven Days Battles illustrated the fact and the cost unacceptably. It put a spotlight on the fact Jackson had become erratic, undependable, unreliable. A negative to the cause, lost as it was anyway.

Yet there either wasn't any protocol to remove the disabled and haphazard Jackson from his high command, or, given Jackson's political and military stature and clout, lesser subordinates taking any such route of relief was apparently deemed impractical (if not disruptive of military discipline and good order in wartime). So Jackson RIP given the impervious, haughty and self doomed incompetent that he'd become. Jackson is a lesson of how honorable and meritorious military service can take ironic twists and end up going south. Or west. Or wherever.

And yet another long post short on the facts...

A whole lot of Tangmopinion with biased slant that no real student of the military arts would display.

Focusing on a single battle where Jackson's performance was less than stellar.

I thought you were supposed to be both college educated and trained in the art of war.

Your diatribes, distortions and ignorance of military history paint a far different picture.

Oh, and it is a lie that there was no protocol for removing a General... More than one general was fired in the Confederate Army. Had you even the faintest knowledge of the war you would know that.

Why lie?
 
Yet there either wasn't any protocol to remove the disabled and haphazard Jackson from his high command, or, given Jackson's political and military stature and clout, lesser subordinates taking any such route of relief was apparently deemed impractical (if not disruptive of military discipline and good order in wartime). So Jackson RIP given the impervious, haughty and self doomed incompetent that he'd become. Jackson is a lesson of how honorable and meritorious military service can take ironic twists and end up going south. Or west. Or wherever.

And yet another long post short on the facts...

A whole lot of Tangmopinion with biased slant that no real student of the military arts would display.

Focusing on a single battle where Jackson's performance was less than stellar.

I thought you were supposed to be both college educated and trained in the art of war.

Your diatribes, distortions and ignorance of military history paint a far different picture.

Oh, and it is a lie that there was no protocol for removing a General... More than one general was fired in the Confederate Army. Had you even the faintest knowledge of the war you would know that.

Why lie?

Luv your nco mantras and this one is your most distorted yet, so congrats. You keep outdoing your nco self as you go deeper in endlessly.


I posted either or, not one only, not exclusively.

So I'm open to accepting your responsible and mature nco apology for misrepresenting me and for saying nco erroneously and wrongfully that I lie.

I also look forward to the day your nco posts become respectable. I fear however I'm asking the nco impossible. I know it for certain in fact.
 
Luv your nco mantras and this one is your most distorted yet, so congrats. You keep outdoing your nco self as you go deeper in endlessly.

I posted either or, not one only, not exclusively.

So I'm open to accepting your responsible and mature nco apology for misrepresenting me and for saying nco erroneously and wrongfully that I lie.

I also look forward to the day your nco posts become respectable. I fear however I'm asking the nco impossible. I know it for certain in fact.

Another fact free post.

There always was a protocol for firing a general. Ergo there was no either/or. Just another case of Tangmo history.
 
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I would say that George Washington is by far the most overrated American military leader because he has basically been elevated to a deity when in reality he was a horrible commander. He just made a great face for the revolution.

I wouldn't say Washington was a horrible commander. He wasn't a brilliant tactician or anything but he was pretty decent, and far more importantly he had the ability to motivate his men just by speaking to them. That's an incredibly rare gift that you find in only a few generals throughout history, like Alexander the Great and Joan of Arc. So while he may not have been a great innovator of war, he was a very good leader. And while he is indeed placed on a pretty high pedestal, to be fair most of that seems to surround his leadership ability, and that's not really misplaced.
 
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