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Longest Lasting Jewish Kingdom?

PeteEU said:
The source? You think there is ONE source on history of the Middle East and Africa for the last 4000 years?

The only false narrative here is the garbage you are peddling. The OP is correct in his assumption about an Ethiopian Jewish Kingdom lasting that long and it is rarely talked about because they be black people and it goes against the zionist ideology about a pure Jewish state in Israel being the superior to everyone on the planet and made by devine right... you know, the stuff you are peddling.
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The African tribe is cool and all but playing it up, as some longest... Well, we could find a longest of some sort for various conditions and I doubt the thread title claim is entirely accurate. The narrative existed before the "factoid". That's why it's an end-around. The topic, meme, call it whatever, isn't some "wow, how interesting". It's "the real Israel, and they're black". It's delegitimizing of Israel and antisemitic.
 
ecofarm said:
The African tribe is cool and all but playing it up, as some longest... Well, we could find a longest of some sort for various conditions and I doubt the thread title claim is entirely accurate. The narrative existed before the "factoid". That's why it's an end-around. The topic, meme, call it whatever, isn't some "wow, how interesting". It's "the real Israel, and they're black". It's delegitimizing of Israel and antisemitic.
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So is it antisemitic to say their was a Jewish kingdom in Africa?

Is it antisemitic to state that it lasted for what looks like 800 years?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
So is it antisemitic to say their was a Jewish kingdom in Africa?

Is it antisemitic to state that it lasted for what looks like 800 years?
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The misconstruing is.
 
ecofarm said:
The African tribe is cool and all but playing it up, as some longest... Well, we could find a longest of some sort for various conditions and I doubt the thread title claim is entirely accurate. The narrative existed before the "factoid". That's why it's an end-around. The topic, meme, call it whatever, isn't some "wow, how interesting". It's "the real Israel, and they're black". It's delegitimizing of Israel and antisemitic.
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What a load of zionist racist bull****.

That a bunch of Jews fled the motherland thousands of years ago to found a successful Jewish state for 800 years away from the motherland is not antisemitic or downplays the current Jewish state or previous states.

It is just historical facts that a bunch of mostly black Jews were more successful in holding together a Jewish state than any other white Jewish states in history... Oh maybe that is your problem...the be African Jews???



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ecofarm said:
I thought I explained it clearly. Once you see it, you'll understand.

It's basically pretending Israel didn't actually exist for thousands of years. By breaking up its existence into "independent periods", one is able to claim that Israel is not the longest lasting Jewish nation (going on some 6000 years now).

By gas-lighting Israel's existence from 6000 years to under 800 years, one might question if the Jewish homeland isn't more appropriately in Africa. One can imagine the joy of nazis at such a suggestion.

Playing up the 800 years by questioning if it might be more significant than 6000 broken into sections serves two purposes really.

1. It gas-lights Israel's right to exist by substituting independent rule in place of continued occupation of the land. It's not really important how long a people ruled themselves. It's important how long they've been there.

2. It gas-lights Israel's right to exist by de-legitimizing the occupation of land and only counting the independent rule of the land.

2a. Other nations can also be de-legitimized by claiming lack of independent rule means lack of legitimate claim.


This all becomes apparent when we realize 800 years is being suggested as more significant than 6000 years just because nations are conquered. As if that's they're fault, like they wanted it that way.

This is a common stunt and I expect can be found via Google search. Obviously, the OP didn't know what he was doing.
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Interesting...but doesn't that set a complicated precedent for displaced / conquered peoples all around the world? What would our atlases look like if we insisted that borders be drawn up based on who lived where 6000 years ago? I mean, forget about Israel, what happens to North and South America? Or Europe, for that matter...

Jews have been living in the area forever, I don't know if anyone would dispute that. But are folks entitled to lands they couldn't keep? And if so, how would that implementation work?
 
OlNate said:
Interesting...but doesn't that set a complicated precedent for displaced / conquered peoples all around the world? What would our atlases look like if we insisted that borders be drawn up based on who lived where 6000 years ago? I mean, forget about Israel, what happens to North and South America? Or Europe, for that matter...

Jews have been living in the area forever, I don't know if anyone would dispute that. But are folks entitled to lands they couldn't keep? And if so, how would that implementation work?
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It delegitimizes everyone except the US (and I guess Canada but no one counts them ;). It's perfect for white nationalists.

The Western world no longer conquers; it liberates. Let free nations sort it out.
 
ecofarm said:
It delegitimizes everyone except the US (and I guess Canada but no one counts them ;). It's perfect for white nationalists.

The Western world no longer conquers; it liberates. Let free nations sort it out.
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How are America and Canada exempt? (Nice anti-Canada dig, I owe you one...lol) The original inhabitants do not rule... Am I misunderstanding you?
 
OlNate said:
How are America and Canada exempt? (Nice anti-Canada dig, I owe you one...lol) The original inhabitants do not rule... Am I misunderstanding you?
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No one has conquered the current nation's authority. Every current Euro nation has been conquered. They have all been broken by others.

This is, of course, only because of the circumstances of recent history. But what does that matter to a white nationalist. "The only unconquered nation, the only real authority."
 
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ecofarm said:
No one has conquered the current nation's authority. Every current Euro nation has been conquered. They have all been broken by others.

This is, of course, only because of the circumstances of recent history. But what does that matter to a white nationalist. "The only unconquered nation, the only real authority."
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So, are you not including the indigenous presence that was here before Europeans arrived and conquered those nations' authority?

Sorry, I'm feeling a little dumb right now, sure that I must be misunderstanding you.
 
OlNate said:
So, are you not including the indigenous presence that was here before Europeans arrived and conquered those nations' authority?

Sorry, I'm feeling a little dumb right now, sure that I must be misunderstanding you.
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They're gone. They got conquered. They lost legit authority. They lost it via divine right.

Now "we" have it. We've had it for hundreds of years and no one has ever conquered "us". Thus, our divine right remains. And it's the only legit divine right in the world. The US is special (and our hat). That's white nationalists' story and they're sticking to it.
 
ecofarm said:
They're gone. They got conquered. They lost legit authority. They lost it via divine right.

Now "we" have it. We've had it for hundreds of years and no one has ever conquered "us". Thus, our divine right remains. And it's the only legit divine right in the world. The US is special (and our hat). That's white nationalists' story and they're sticking to it.
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Ok, I understand now. :) :lol:
 
OlNate said:
You were doing too good a job with the appropriation...lol...I was confused AF.
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It's not intuitive. It's understanding a cult. That's an adventure in logical fallacies.
 
Fledermaus said:
Does that rule apply to Palestine? Conquered by the Israelis, the Egyptians and the Jordanians.
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There is no Palestinian nation. There are Palestinians. Just as there is no Kurdish nation but there are Kurdish people
 
ecofarm said:
The Jews take Jericho when? Over 3000 BC, right? Your claim might belittle the Jewish people in implying they did not exist as a nation for more than 800 years when it's thousands.

I'd check the dates before claiming Jews weren't in ancient Israel and Judea for thousands of years. Is ignoring that not gas-lighting Israel's right to exist?

"They weren't even there one millennia". No, they were.
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Ecofarm:

The timing and details of the battle of Jericho are probably false and the product of Israeli/Judaean propagandists trying to rebuild the Kingdom of Judah after either the Assyrian conquest in 722 BCE or the Babylonian conquest in 586-7 BCE.

I would not put too much stock into that.

The Hebrew/Israelite people emerge in Caanan c1200 BCE and grow from about 25 to about 250-300 highland villages between 1200 and 1000 BCE. The first Jewish kingdom is established about 1000 BCE and is destroyed/conquered in either 722 or 586 BCE depending if you want to count it as a fully independent kingdom or a vassal kingdom.

Battle of Jericho - Wikipedia

The Kingdom of ha-Dani in modern-day Ethiopia was much older and actually conquered and collapsed the Christian kingdom of Axum/Aksum under the Jewish queen Judith. So whether you disagree with the political implications or not, the maths says that the Kingdom of Semien/ha-Dani was the longest lasting Jewish kingdom, despite speaking Ge-ge rather than Hebrew.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
This conversation is being confused by the terms state, nation, and kingdom being misused. For example the Kurds or the Palestinians are both nations but without states of their own. A nation is a very large group of people with or without a state who share a common culture, language and historical tradition. A state is a recognised and sovereign country under any form of central or dispersed government. A kingdom is a state under the control of a monarch of some sort. This should not be confused with a constitutional monarchy where the power of the monarch has been severely constrained by other factions in the state.

So modern-day Israel is a nation, a state but is not yet a monarchy as ancient Israel once was. Sorry to sound pedantic but folks were arguing in circles do to not clearly understanding or using these terms.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
There is no Palestinian nation. There are Palestinians. Just as there is no Kurdish nation but there are Kurdish people
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The Palestinian people together are the Palestinian nation.


You don't need to inhabit an internationally recognized state to be a nation.
 
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