President Harry Truman on Socialism

Lutherf said:

I suppose that one's interpretation of Socialism would be colored by how they interpret the term "help".

For example, back before Obamacare I had lots of choices for who I could purchase health insurance from. I could purchase catastrophic coverage plans, comprehensive plans and all kinds of plans in between. Then the Democrats decided to "help" me. I lost all those options and last year I had a grand total of one provider to choose from. This year I have two providers. I can't choose a catastrophic coverage plan. I can choose not to be covered but, before Trump signed an order getting rid of them, there were financial penalties if I made that choice.

Other people may have felt helped and I have a couple of clients who actually benefited from Obamacare but I pretty much disagree with the whole idea that the program, as a whole, really qualifies as "help".

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How Obamacare benefited me:

Whenever i change jobs, I don't have to worry about my wife not being covered due to a pre-existing condition (MS).

Our prescriptions are affordable due to coverage with a good deductible.

I have changed health care providers twice in the last three years; I was able to keep my doctor, the deductible is reasonable for what my employer is willing to pay for out health. And if I had to pay my own way, I am able to price out to what I willing our deductible to be.

I would agree with you that Obamacare isn't perfect. But when I compare what we had to do before and after it was implemented, I'll take the after.

Obamacare isn't socialism. It's a Republican idea made slightly more progressive.

James972 said:

but as a typical liberal you lack the IQ to say why they are idiotic??

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"FDR was a totalitarian"?

Only an idiot would think that: someone with no education or grasp on real history.

You're disconnected.

jet57 said:

"FDR was a totalitarian"?

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did you ever hear of the New Deal?? It gave FDR total control.


FDR was a straight up communist who knew less about economics than Joseph Stalin. Through the NRA he tried to make capitalism illegal with infinite regulation of business, personally approved by him, designed to prevent competition and raise prices. In one famous case customers were no longer allowed to inspect the chicken they were about to buy and slaughter. The idea was that since the chickens had already met the new supposedly rigorous government standards no business was allowed to gain an advantage by allowing customers to hand select the chicken he wanted. When the case came to the Supreme Court (Schechtor Poultry) the Justices howled in laughter when the defense asked what could a customer legally do if all the chickens ran to one side of the cage, when a customer reached in to grab one, so as not to break the law by appearing to selecting one chicken in the pile over another. It seemed FDR wanted the customer to wear a blindfold. The Supreme Court ruled FDR’s brainchild unconsitutional; FDR said the court was going back to horse and buggy days, and then tried to pack the court with like minded fellow communists.

Dans La Lune said:

Obamacare isn't socialism.

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It's a huge step in that direction, obviously, and if you consider huge govt control socialism then it is certainly socialism.

James972 said:

did you ever hear of the New Deal?? It gave FDR total control.

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FDR was a straight up communist who knew less about economics than Joseph Stalin and thus prolonged the Great Depression for 16 years until it resulted in a world War that killed 60 million. Through the NRA he tried to make capitalism illegal with infinite regulation of business, personally approved by him, designed to prevent competition and raise prices. In one famous case customers were no longer allowed to inspect the chicken they were about to buy and slaughter. The idea was that since the chickens had already met the new supposedly rigorous government standards no business was allowed to gain an advantage by allowing customers to hand select the chicken he wanted. When the case came to the Supreme Court (Schechtor Poultry) the Justices howled in laughter when the defense asked what could a customer legally do if all the chickens ran to one side of the cage, when a customer reached in to grab one, so as not to break the law by appearing to selecting one chicken in the pile over another. It seemed FDR wanted the customer to wear a blindfold. The Supreme Court ruled FDR’s brainchild unconsitutional; FDR said the court was going back to horse and buggy days, and then tried to pack the court with like minded fellow communists.

James972 said:

did you ever hear of the New Deal?? It gave FDR total control.


FDR was a straight up communist who knew less about economics than Joseph Stalin. Through the NRA he tried to make capitalism illegal with infinite regulation of business, personally approved by him, designed to prevent competition and raise prices. In one famous case customers were no longer allowed to inspect the chicken they were about to buy and slaughter. The idea was that since the chickens had already met the new supposedly rigorous government standards no business was allowed to gain an advantage by allowing customers to hand select the chicken he wanted. When the case came to the Supreme Court (Schechtor Poultry) the Justices howled in laughter when the defense asked what could a customer legally do if all the chickens ran to one side of the cage, when a customer reached in to grab one, so as not to break the law by appearing to selecting one chicken in the pile over another. It seemed FDR wanted the customer to wear a blindfold. The Supreme Court ruled FDR’s brainchild unconsitutional; FDR said the court was going back to horse and buggy days, and then tried to pack the court with like minded fellow communists.

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You've not the slightest idea what the **** you're talkin about dude. You're a waste of time.

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j brown's body said:

I have read the right-wing complaints of Omar accusing her of being a communist, but she sounds exactly like FDR.

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Does she? There are accusations that FDR was an anti-Semite.

"Medoff goes further and accuses FDR of anti-Semitism, citing a passage in the diaries of Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau Jr. (who was Jewish). In it, there is an account of a conversation he had with a fellow administration official who told him Roosevelt had told him that America was a Protestant country, “and the Catholics and Jews are here under sufferance.”

The battle over FDR’s record on saving Jews from the Nazis - Holocaust Remembrance Day - Holocaust Remembrance Day

The difference at that time is that there were some clear lines between what "Socialism" and "Communism" were.

Even the most Liberal of US politicians who were endorsing "Socialist" ideals were pretty damned clear to show that while they may have some things in common, they were very far apart in other areas.

But today, that line has blurred so much that it becomes almost impossible to tell the two apart. Even those who were promoting things like Social Security and Medicare were not going around waving Communist Hammer and Sickle flags.







This is the image today of "Socialists in the US". They do not even try to hide that they are Communists. And not even Truman or FDR would stand behind that.

Oozlefinch said:

The difference at that time is that there were some clear lines between what "Socialism" and "Communism" were.

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yes but the lines were always fake just for political expediency. It took their hatred of Trump to flush them out of the closet!

Lenin: The object of socialism is communism.

jet57 said:

You've not the slightest idea what the **** you're talkin about dude.

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translation: I'm a liberal and lack the IQ to explain why I feel you don't know what yo're talking about!!

James972 said:

yes but the lines were always fake just for political expediency. It took their hatred of Trump to flush them out of the closet!

Lenin: The object of socialism is communism.

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In order to achieve Communism-Socialism, you must have an all-powerful central government. One that has full control of all aspects of personal and public organizations. And it has always failed, every single time. Normally turning the country into either a mass prison, or a mass graveyard along the way. Not one single country that has ever proclaimed itself "Socialist" has been otherwise.

Germany, East Germany, Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Cuba, Venezuela, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Yemen, Poland, the list just goes on and on and on. Laos is another interesting example. Communist now for almost 45 years, they have however achieved some phenomenal improvements in income in the last 2 decades. Rising from an average of $300 per person per year, all the way up to $1,700 per person per year. Most of that based on tourism, they still have little industrialization or trade and their agriculture is barely above subsistence level.

Anybody who has read Animal Farm knows what real Communism looks like.

Oozlefinch said:

Anybody who has read Animal Farm knows what real Communism looks like.

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or anyone who lived through libcommie FDR's reign of Great Depression and world War or looked off shore to the libcommie Castro concentration camp that liberals have loved so much