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JFK was not that great

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This is a response to the biographics biography on JFK: YouTube

1. During the 1960 campaign for president JFK constantly lambasted the Eisenhower administration for allowing a "missile gap" to develop between the US and Soviet Union. Near the end of the campaign, Eisenhower invited both LBJ and JFK to the white house and explained that there was no missile gap. JFK continued to spread fake news about the "missile gap" and pledged to increase nuclear tests and the number of nuclear missiles. After JFK took office he waited a few months and then revealed that the US actually had more nuclear missiles than the Soviets. JFK got all of the credit for "closing the missile gap" which never existed.

2. JFK did not care when the Soviets put up the Berlin Wall. West Germans were outraged that the US just let the wall go up without any response. He ignored it and it wasn't until the West Germany chancellor called JFK personally and explained why walls are bad that JFK agreed to do a visit to Berlin to mend relations.

3. He appointed his own brother as Attorney General. The Attorney General's job is to act as an impartial cop and prosecute crimes of all branches of government. How exactly was Robert Kennedy going to be able to be a check on JFK if he is his brother? People say that Barr is a hack and a Trump stooge but at least he isn't Trump's son. That is exceptionally corrupt.

4. JFK massively reduced the US air force's involvement in the Bay of Pigs to hide our involvement. He didn't tell the armed Cuban Exiles who would be invading Cuba that they would not be receiving the agreed amount of air cover until they were on their way to Cuba! He was marching them to their deaths.

5. JFK supported the war in Vietnam. He increased the number of "military advisers" in South Vietnam.

6. JFK was an awful husband to his wife.

Note: There is a lot of talk about the Cuban Missile crisis and critiques on the way JFK handled it. Blockading a country is definitely illegal and an act of war. Invading Cuba in the Bay of Pigs may have been the inciting incident that lead to Castro wanting nukes. During the crisis, JFK made multiple plans and seriously considered invading Cuba despite the fact that Cuba had not committed an act of war against the US. Even if you think the US has a right to invade Cuba because they are so close, Turkey had nuclear weapons and they shared a border with the Soviet Union, ect. I, however, like aggressive foreign policy so JFK gets a pass here. The hippies can whine. If you are more inclined towards non-intervention then you have even more reason to dislike JFK.

TLDR: Given JFK's short presidency and lack of positive accomplishments he made a staggering number of errors in judgement. It is honestly hard to point to any good policies that came out of his presidency besides the fact that he was a unifying figure in American politics.
 
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Note: There is a lot of talk about the Cuban Missile crisis and critiques on the way JFK handled it. Blockading a country is definitely illegal and an act of war. Invading Cuba in the Bay of Pigs may have been the inciting incident that lead to Castro wanting nukes. During the crisis, JFK made multiple plans and seriously considered invading Cuba despite the fact that Cuba had not committed an act of war against the US. Even if you think the US has a right to invade Cuba because they are so close, Turkey had nuclear weapons and they shared a border with the Soviet Union, ect. I, however, like aggressive foreign policy so JFK gets a pass here. The hippies can whine. If you are more inclined towards non-intervention then you have even more reason to dislike JFK.

I think you miss the point there. US soldiers trained Cubans for a while. Some of them deployed with the Cubans and others to the beach. After men were on the beach, Kennedy pulled his approval of air support. This resulted in everyone on the beach being captured or killed. "Red leader, this is blue, we need air support immediately... Red leader, this is blue, I am destroying my equipment at this time." That was an American on the beach.
 
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In the book The Secret War Against Hanoi, Richard H. Shultz Jr. documented how Kennedy in 1961 ordered the CIA to conduct covert armed attacks against North Vietnam. In President Kennedy: Profile in Power, political journalist Richard Reeves discovered a Kennedy anxious to prove his machismo after being outperformed by Khrushchev in their first summit meeting in Vienna. Kennedy said, "(Khrushchev) thinks I have no guts . . . We have to confront them. The only place we can do that is Vietnam."
 
This is a response to the biographics biography on JFK: YouTube

1. During the 1960 campaign for president JFK constantly lambasted the Eisenhower administration for allowing a "missile gap" to develop between the US and Soviet Union. Near the end of the campaign, Eisenhower invited both LBJ and JFK to the white house and explained that there was no missile gap. JFK continued to spread fake news about the "missile gap" and pledged to increase nuclear tests and the number of nuclear missiles. After JFK took office he waited a few months and then revealed that the US actually had more nuclear missiles than the Soviets. JFK got all of the credit for "closing the missile gap" which never existed.

2. JFK did not care when the Soviets put up the Berlin Wall. West Germans were outraged that the US just let the wall go up without any response. He ignored it and it wasn't until the West Germany chancellor called JFK personally and explained why walls are bad that JFK agreed to do a visit to Berlin to mend relations.

3. He appointed his own brother as Attorney General. The Attorney General's job is to act as an impartial cop and prosecute crimes of all branches of government. How exactly was Robert Kennedy going to be able to be a check on JFK if he is his brother? People say that Barr is a hack and a Trump stooge but at least he isn't Trump's son. That is exceptionally corrupt.

4. JFK massively reduced the US air force's involvement in the Bay of Pigs to hide our involvement. He didn't tell the armed Cuban Exiles who would be invading Cuba that they would not be receiving the agreed amount of air cover until they were on their way to Cuba! He was marching them to their deaths.

5. JFK supported the war in Vietnam. He increased the number of "military advisers" in South Vietnam.

6. JFK was an awful husband to his wife.

Note: There is a lot of talk about the Cuban Missile crisis and critiques on the way JFK handled it. Blockading a country is definitely illegal and an act of war. Invading Cuba in the Bay of Pigs may have been the inciting incident that lead to Castro wanting nukes. During the crisis, JFK made multiple plans and seriously considered invading Cuba despite the fact that Cuba had not committed an act of war against the US. Even if you think the US has a right to invade Cuba because they are so close, Turkey had nuclear weapons and they shared a border with the Soviet Union, ect. I, however, like aggressive foreign policy so JFK gets a pass here. The hippies can whine. If you are more inclined towards non-intervention then you have even more reason to dislike JFK.

TLDR: Given JFK's short presidency and lack of positive accomplishments he made a staggering number of errors in judgement. It is honestly hard to point to any good policies that came out of his presidency besides the fact that he was a unifying figure in American politics.

Nice plug.
 
I think you miss the point there. US soldiers trained Cubans for a while. Some of them deployed with the Cubans and others to the beach. After men were on the beach, Kennedy pulled his approval of air support. This resulted in everyone on the beach being captured or killed. "Red leader, this is blue, we need air support immediately... Red leader, this is blue, I am destroying my equipment at this time." That was an American on the beach.
sounds an awful lot like Benghazi
 
sounds an awful lot like Benghazi

The flaw that led to Benghazi was long before the attack. It was when we failed to increase security. The events of that attack were chaotic and I've never seen proof that anything significant could have been accomplished after everything went to ****.

Kennedy pulled planned air support from over Americans.
 
The flaw that led to Benghazi was long before the attack. It was when we failed to increase security. The events of that attack were chaotic and I've never seen proof that anything significant could have been accomplished after everything went to ****.

Kennedy pulled planned air support from over Americans.

Chaffetz CUT embassy security funding. He didn't just fail to increase it, he CUT and doubled down on being proud of having done so.

 
Chaffetz CUT embassy security funding. He didn't just fail to increase it, he CUT and doubled down on being proud of having done so.

A huge failure but not a life or death promise broken when it mattered out of cowardice.
 
Chaffetz CUT embassy security funding. He didn't just fail to increase it, he CUT and doubled down on being proud of having done so.



He among others in the House voted for a funding cut to the State Department. That cut did not go through the Senate and, instead, a continued funding resolution was passed. According to your video. His explanation for the cut vote and lack of security at that embassy was "priorities" and he named some.
 
RE: The thread title




1. Of course, NO public figure is as great as his publicity would indicate. The young witty elegant Kennedy was a contrast to the dour Nixon, so he won the election. (Nixon decided not to contest certain election irregularities.)


2 Being a very naïve person, I was shocked when I learned that his Pulitzer-winning book Profiles in Courage had been ghostwritten.


a. There is another former president (no names, of course) whose fans praise his books, although it is said that they were also ghostwritten.


The moral of this thread: Never idolize your hero. S/he always has feet of clay.
 
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